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I went 7th to 10th, which is ultimately where I think we'll end up, but I think with Cook it have been nearer 10th and not really worrying the playoffs at all - the season would be over by now.
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 19:48 - Mar 14 by Dubtractor
I went 7th to 10th, which is ultimately where I think we'll end up, but I think with Cook it have been nearer 10th and not really worrying the playoffs at all - the season would be over by now.
I honestly think that once the play offs were clearly missed, he would have turned on the players (including the new 5 or 6 he would have got in during January) and then it would have turned toxic and we would dip even further. I very much doubt we would have finished top half and I very much doubt he would have seen out the season one way or another.
I can only assume those who think we would have finished higher think it was all about to click for Cook and McKenna has held us back. That, or they are nodge fans or just others having a laugh. When he was sacked, our league form was 7 points from the last 6 matches, having dropped from 13 from the previous 6. Before that he was 6 from 6 and 1 point from the first two matches.
So, if you extrapolate any of those forms we would have: (last 6): 57 points, (last 12): 70 points, (last 18): 65, (all 20 this season): 62. On the last full season, those would have been 16th, 9th (same as last season), 13th or 15th respectively. To finish in automatic with around 87 points would have required 60 points from 26 matches at 2.31 ppg. No one could possibly have really expected Cook to turn in that rate of ppg. It would have required 18 wins and 6 draws, or W19, D3 L2 or W20 D0 L6.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 19:48 - Mar 14 by Dubtractor
I went 7th to 10th, which is ultimately where I think we'll end up, but I think with Cook it have been nearer 10th and not really worrying the playoffs at all - the season would be over by now.
There'd have been a lot of talk of 'long term projects' at this point.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 00:06 - Mar 15 by jeera
It does seem odd that anyone would be rooting for Cook so late in the day after all we have witnessed since his departure.
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Mate, there's people on here still pining for Keane and won't hear a word said against him. It's weird and no matter how long I Mullet over I simply can't Mach sense of it.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 10:48 - Mar 15 by BlueBadger
Mate, there's people on here still pining for Keane and won't hear a word said against him. It's weird and no matter how long I Mullet over I simply can't Mach sense of it.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 10:53 - Mar 15 by Keno
John Duncan should have been Mcgiven more time
the team was just being to gel
John Duncan should have fired the day after his first match. Literally just before the players kicked off he was running around them with a bit of paper giving them instructions. My dad said ‘this isn’t going to end well is it?’ ‘Nope’. We lost and it didn’t.
Duncan: nice bloke, but was well in the running for worst ever manager until Evans employed his posse of clowns (McCathy excluded).
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 11:55 - Mar 15 with 1855 views
I've gone 7th -10th..... Side note. Am I the only person that thinks, that recent draws against Cheltenham , Morecombe, and Portsmouth. Should also be taken into account, if we don't make top 6?.. There's 6 pts dropped there, straight away... Cook's stuttering start to the season, was, indeed, a set back.. But , it's wrong to hide behind that, imo.. When we've had the top 6 within our grasp, recently. And just not done enough... Cheltenham at home , under McKenna, sticks in my throat, just as much as Cambridge away under Cook.... I'm not a Cookite, here. And I'm really pleased that we've now got KM... But lets be real. We fought our way into play off contention. And tripped over some very winnable games. Long after Cook's departure...
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 12:21 - Mar 15 with 1825 views
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 11:57 - Mar 15 by BigCommon
I've gone 7th -10th..... Side note. Am I the only person that thinks, that recent draws against Cheltenham , Morecombe, and Portsmouth. Should also be taken into account, if we don't make top 6?.. There's 6 pts dropped there, straight away... Cook's stuttering start to the season, was, indeed, a set back.. But , it's wrong to hide behind that, imo.. When we've had the top 6 within our grasp, recently. And just not done enough... Cheltenham at home , under McKenna, sticks in my throat, just as much as Cambridge away under Cook.... I'm not a Cookite, here. And I'm really pleased that we've now got KM... But lets be real. We fought our way into play off contention. And tripped over some very winnable games. Long after Cook's departure...
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But that is just football, McKenna has picked up more than 2 points per game, unless he was going to pick up points at the equivalent of a 100+ point season which has been done about 8 times across 3 divisions in 25 years then we have to drop points somewhere.
The games are obviously frustrating individually, but you have to look in 4 or 5 game blocks of fixtures and by every measure KMK has us on auto promotion form
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 12:21 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe
But that is just football, McKenna has picked up more than 2 points per game, unless he was going to pick up points at the equivalent of a 100+ point season which has been done about 8 times across 3 divisions in 25 years then we have to drop points somewhere.
The games are obviously frustrating individually, but you have to look in 4 or 5 game blocks of fixtures and by every measure KMK has us on auto promotion form
Point taken. But I still think we should be beating teams like Cheltenham and Morecombe, if we want to consider ourselves a promotion challenger. Regardless of who's managing the side... Taking nothing away from our improvement under KM, but the last dozen or so fixtures , have been relatively kind, imo... The next block of 5 , includes Oxford, Plymouth and Rotherham.. So, if we are to judge in blocks of 4 or 5.. It'll be interesting to see what the next block yields.... I just get a bit annoyed when people bring up Cooks early season results, as a single, excuse for the whole season... Fact is. We've still had it in our own hands. The teams around us and above us , to their credit, have kept up the good form. For some reason, we have still stuttered, when it 's really mattered.. Frustrating... Bolton and Seff Weds, we just didn't turn up.. MKD, Morc' away and Chelt' Pompey at home, were all games that I came away from from, thinking that we could have won , if we'd just "found a way"... I can point the finger at Cook for not providing a little points cushion/buffer... But still feel, we've dropped points under KM, in games we could/should have won... I'm sure KM feels the same..
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 21:37 - Mar 15 with 1491 views
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 20:46 - Mar 15 by BigCommon
Point taken. But I still think we should be beating teams like Cheltenham and Morecombe, if we want to consider ourselves a promotion challenger. Regardless of who's managing the side... Taking nothing away from our improvement under KM, but the last dozen or so fixtures , have been relatively kind, imo... The next block of 5 , includes Oxford, Plymouth and Rotherham.. So, if we are to judge in blocks of 4 or 5.. It'll be interesting to see what the next block yields.... I just get a bit annoyed when people bring up Cooks early season results, as a single, excuse for the whole season... Fact is. We've still had it in our own hands. The teams around us and above us , to their credit, have kept up the good form. For some reason, we have still stuttered, when it 's really mattered.. Frustrating... Bolton and Seff Weds, we just didn't turn up.. MKD, Morc' away and Chelt' Pompey at home, were all games that I came away from from, thinking that we could have won , if we'd just "found a way"... I can point the finger at Cook for not providing a little points cushion/buffer... But still feel, we've dropped points under KM, in games we could/should have won... I'm sure KM feels the same..
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this is nonsense. It's like you are blaming Mckenna for not beating a couple of sides at home for us being 9th in L1.
I think you really need to have a think about what you are saying.
The top sides have not dropped many points as in usual seasons because the gap between top and bottom of league in terms of quality is bigger this year. However all sides do still drop points and we can't be an exception, so it's unfair to blame Mckenna because we drew a game at home to Cheltenham.
The fact the bottom half of the league is so poor this season actually makes Paul Cook's performance even worse than it looked because he struggled to beat anything and dropped points multiple times to absolute dross.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 11:57 - Mar 15 by BigCommon
I've gone 7th -10th..... Side note. Am I the only person that thinks, that recent draws against Cheltenham , Morecombe, and Portsmouth. Should also be taken into account, if we don't make top 6?.. There's 6 pts dropped there, straight away... Cook's stuttering start to the season, was, indeed, a set back.. But , it's wrong to hide behind that, imo.. When we've had the top 6 within our grasp, recently. And just not done enough... Cheltenham at home , under McKenna, sticks in my throat, just as much as Cambridge away under Cook.... I'm not a Cookite, here. And I'm really pleased that we've now got KM... But lets be real. We fought our way into play off contention. And tripped over some very winnable games. Long after Cook's departure...
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You do come across as a Cook apologist
L1 was has a massive gap in standard between top half and bottom half this season. It makes Paul Cook's performance even more abysmal as he dropped points to may bottom half teams.
Mckenna, dropped 4 points from lower half sides Cook, dropped 14 points from lower half sides - That's where our season has been fked.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 23:09 - Mar 15 by N2_Blue
this is nonsense. It's like you are blaming Mckenna for not beating a couple of sides at home for us being 9th in L1.
I think you really need to have a think about what you are saying.
The top sides have not dropped many points as in usual seasons because the gap between top and bottom of league in terms of quality is bigger this year. However all sides do still drop points and we can't be an exception, so it's unfair to blame Mckenna because we drew a game at home to Cheltenham.
The fact the bottom half of the league is so poor this season actually makes Paul Cook's performance even worse than it looked because he struggled to beat anything and dropped points multiple times to absolute dross.
I'm not blaming anyone fella... That's my whole point... I'm merely saying, that our season is a result of "the collective".... I hate the "blame culture" that people get caught up in... Singling out individuals... It's been a long season. It would be wrong to blame an individual person for our final position, IMO.... Sounds to me, that you just want to put the entire blame on PC...? You can dress it up how you like. But I stand by the fact, that we should be beating teams like Cheltenham and Morecombe, if we have aspirations of a top 6 finish.... Am I blaming KM?....... NO Am I blaming PC?.........NO Do I think KM is a better appointment than PC.... YES
Hope that helps you to understand more easily.. Not sure if I can simplify things any further...But I'm happy to give it a go. If you are having trouble understanding that people have different opinions..... One mans "nonsense", as you put it. Is just another mans opinion, I suppose... No offence ..
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 01:02 - Mar 16 with 1321 views
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 23:18 - Mar 15 by N2_Blue
You do come across as a Cook apologist
L1 was has a massive gap in standard between top half and bottom half this season. It makes Paul Cook's performance even more abysmal as he dropped points to may bottom half teams.
Mckenna, dropped 4 points from lower half sides Cook, dropped 14 points from lower half sides - That's where our season has been fked.
Not a Cook apologist at all.. Not interested in PC, he left months ago...
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 01:18 - Mar 16 with 1310 views
I think Cheltenham at home and Morecambe away do stand out as poor results which have cost us dearly, even though McKenna has done a brilliant job since arriving.
Cook did the damage, definitely, but as JDB23 pointed out elsewhere, over the past five games we have the worst points return out of the top ten, excluding Rotherham.
Hmmm on those criteria I suspect it’s exactly the same - 7th to 10th. I’d hazard a guess the same might be true of Lambo as well - though a relegation spot in the championship might have been shafted had he been allowed to complete his play off attempt.
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 00:54 - Mar 16 by BigCommon
I'm not blaming anyone fella... That's my whole point... I'm merely saying, that our season is a result of "the collective".... I hate the "blame culture" that people get caught up in... Singling out individuals... It's been a long season. It would be wrong to blame an individual person for our final position, IMO.... Sounds to me, that you just want to put the entire blame on PC...? You can dress it up how you like. But I stand by the fact, that we should be beating teams like Cheltenham and Morecombe, if we have aspirations of a top 6 finish.... Am I blaming KM?....... NO Am I blaming PC?.........NO Do I think KM is a better appointment than PC.... YES
Hope that helps you to understand more easily.. Not sure if I can simplify things any further...But I'm happy to give it a go. If you are having trouble understanding that people have different opinions..... One mans "nonsense", as you put it. Is just another mans opinion, I suppose... No offence ..
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Agree with the ‘blame culture’ thing.
For now, if we get a good result - it’s McKenna’s genius. If not, it’s down to Cook. Next season, if the progression under McKenna plateaus or dips, can we still blame Cook? Then it will be down to finding another to blame. I can see next season a sticky patch where we’re struggling to score and then the knives come out. And it will be hard to stick that on Cook. To a person, everyone is impressed with McKenna, but there will be teams out there who will try everything to negate us. And we’re going to have to find other ways to beat sides. Whilst impressive, our form isn’t automatic promotion form. It would be if we were beating the top sides, but we’re not at a point where we can put a winning run together (5-6 games). Likely we’ll be in L1 next season, so for the rest of the season I hope the improvement continues and we can beat some top six sides and maybe get on a 3 game winning run to take into next season. We should have put to bed the Cook v McKenna thing by now. McKenna has won that. No point extrapolating McKenna’s reign to 46 games and saying we would be auto certainties if we can’t win against the top sides more regularly.
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If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 08:05 - Mar 16 with 1134 views
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 07:11 - Mar 16 by franz_tyson
Agree with the ‘blame culture’ thing.
For now, if we get a good result - it’s McKenna’s genius. If not, it’s down to Cook. Next season, if the progression under McKenna plateaus or dips, can we still blame Cook? Then it will be down to finding another to blame. I can see next season a sticky patch where we’re struggling to score and then the knives come out. And it will be hard to stick that on Cook. To a person, everyone is impressed with McKenna, but there will be teams out there who will try everything to negate us. And we’re going to have to find other ways to beat sides. Whilst impressive, our form isn’t automatic promotion form. It would be if we were beating the top sides, but we’re not at a point where we can put a winning run together (5-6 games). Likely we’ll be in L1 next season, so for the rest of the season I hope the improvement continues and we can beat some top six sides and maybe get on a 3 game winning run to take into next season. We should have put to bed the Cook v McKenna thing by now. McKenna has won that. No point extrapolating McKenna’s reign to 46 games and saying we would be auto certainties if we can’t win against the top sides more regularly.
Automatic promotion form isn't about beating the best teams, it's about constantly picking up 2 points per game regardless of opposition and that is what McKenna has done - it's inarguable we are on automatic form since he came in.
Will that drop down by the end of the season? Possibly as have a tough run of games
But when McKenna was appointed we had 29 points from 23 games, 2 points per game (auto form) from that point will take us to 75 points - I'm sure every Ipswih fan would have taken that when he was appointed.
But now 75 points simply isn't going to be enough for the top 6 so he can do a fantastic job and we finish 9th
If Cook had the full season where would we have finished? on 08:05 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe
Automatic promotion form isn't about beating the best teams, it's about constantly picking up 2 points per game regardless of opposition and that is what McKenna has done - it's inarguable we are on automatic form since he came in.
Will that drop down by the end of the season? Possibly as have a tough run of games
But when McKenna was appointed we had 29 points from 23 games, 2 points per game (auto form) from that point will take us to 75 points - I'm sure every Ipswih fan would have taken that when he was appointed.
But now 75 points simply isn't going to be enough for the top 6 so he can do a fantastic job and we finish 9th
No way am I criticising McKenna, but it’s not as clear-cut to say keep on picking up 2ppg. That doesn’t take into account the six-pointers. We could have slipped up against lowly sides but picked up the same amount of points under McKenna by winning against our rivals at the top of the table. And by taking points of them, we’d be in a better position table-wise. It’s been widely noted the top sides aren’t dropping points as much as we’d hope and that’s what we’ve got to do to add to our chances by beating them. Come to the end of the season and during McKenna’s half of the season and our form under him is top two - then that’s auto form. Over the course of a 46 game season we’re going to struggle to get 2ppg if we can’t beat the top sides regularly. We’d be relying on our rivals slipping up again. We could finish 10th or 11th this season and I’d still say McKenna has done a very good job.
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