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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 20:16 - Mar 5 by Lord_Lucan
If you want my honest opinion I don't think we should poke Putin too hard with anything that could be seen as a declaration of war, that may seem cowardly but war has a habit of getting out of control double quick and we are faced with a loon on a mission with the power to cause destruction never seen before............
..............and I actually think that he is on a bit of a hiding long term as I cannot see him having enough troops or resources to control the absolutely brilliant resistance that Ukrainians will undoubtably pose for as long as he occupies the place - if he ever fully does.
I hope and pray that he will be ousted by his own.
My niggling thought though is that we did agree to always protect Ukraine on the agreement that they destroyed their nuclear arsenal back in the 90's
"Ukraine on the agreement that they destroyed their nuclear arsenal back in the 90's"
There you go. This is what betrayal looks like.
We sit back and cheer on Ukraine and try to make ourselves feel better by waving their colours and sending a tenner, whilst they die in the streets and watch their homes burn.
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 20:29 - Mar 5 by Coastalblue
Not sure that was ever an option, I strongly suspect that would have ended in what we are now seeing had that been proposed, but with no options with regards to being directly involved rather than a proxy war as we have now.
But had they kept their nuclear deterrent there's a good chance they would still be in charge of their own affairs.
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 20:35 - Mar 5 by jeera
"Ukraine on the agreement that they destroyed their nuclear arsenal back in the 90's"
There you go. This is what betrayal looks like.
We sit back and cheer on Ukraine and try to make ourselves feel better by waving their colours and sending a tenner, whilst they die in the streets and watch their homes burn.
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Not really looking for an argument, I'm only commenting on my thoughts of where we are now. I'm also not privvy to what the exact agreement was on protecting or helping Ukraine. Was it boots on the ground or weapon systems supply? I don't know.
I don't know what your thoughts are on the subject as I haven't been reading much on here.
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That's an interesting piece thanks, goes to show what a sham international agreements are and makes you wonder why anybody ever signs up to them unless being put under enormous pressure.
I do feel we've let Ukraine down very, very badly, but being a man in my 50's I know I'm unlikely to have go and die on their behalf. It's a total cl***erf**k.
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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 18:47 - Mar 5 by homer_123
I'm not quite so sure.
I hope you are right and if so I would agree that is the best way through this.
I’m just not so sure.
I think he needs more than just ones and twos within. I think there is a critical mass needed, a coalition that have credibility amongst the key stakeholders within the machine (military, security services, oligarchs etc…).
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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 22:14 - Mar 5 with 1665 views
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 20:27 - Mar 5 by strikalite
Your last sentence, why on earth didn't Ukraine insist on being fast tracked into NATO before giving them up....?
"Ukraine acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1994 as a non-nuclear weapon state, and voluntarily returned to Russia the nuclear weapons that were on its territory from the time of independence from the USSR. In doing so, Ukraine received security assurances from the United States, the UK and Russia in the Budapest Memorandum against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine — assurances which Russia has flagrantly disregarded."
Good (long) read here how Ukraine was on the brink of economic collapse and was pressured into signing ultimately and the offer of joining the NATO sponsored Partnership for Peace program which ultimately was useless. After the Societ Union collapse, Ukraine would have been the 3rd largest Nuclear force in the world.
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 20:48 - Mar 5 by Coastalblue
That's an interesting piece thanks, goes to show what a sham international agreements are and makes you wonder why anybody ever signs up to them unless being put under enormous pressure.
I do feel we've let Ukraine down very, very badly, but being a man in my 50's I know I'm unlikely to have go and die on their behalf. It's a total cl***erf**k.
Yep, we’ve let Ukraine down dreadfully. So has America.
Putin has been allowed to do what he’s done through greed and epic stupidity. The European NATO members can share some responsibility of that. Deluded, plain greedy or asleep. Who cares, the result is the same and all we can do is watch a country die on prime time and listen to the likes of Johnson pointlessly gassing on.
Article 5? If I was Putin, I would be tempted to call NATOs bluff. Words and outrage won’t cut any ice with him. All he’s got wrong so far is the length of time it’s taking to crush Ukraine.
Putting it bluntly, he needs to be got rid of, but until old age gets him, I can’t see how that’s going to be done.
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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 00:36 - Mar 6 with 1554 views
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 23:29 - Mar 5 by Churchman
Yep, we’ve let Ukraine down dreadfully. So has America.
Putin has been allowed to do what he’s done through greed and epic stupidity. The European NATO members can share some responsibility of that. Deluded, plain greedy or asleep. Who cares, the result is the same and all we can do is watch a country die on prime time and listen to the likes of Johnson pointlessly gassing on.
Article 5? If I was Putin, I would be tempted to call NATOs bluff. Words and outrage won’t cut any ice with him. All he’s got wrong so far is the length of time it’s taking to crush Ukraine.
Putting it bluntly, he needs to be got rid of, but until old age gets him, I can’t see how that’s going to be done.
Agreed re. Ukraine being let down and a pawn in years of political postering. But it can't be a race to the bottom in terms of all nations having Nukes to ensure their sovereignty!
Imho the current situation is the West sleep walking into a situation where they didn't call Putin's bluff over Crimea and then with the Donbas situation we quickly forgot about Crimea. That was a huge mistake and just emboldened Putin.
Is there going to be a point where the "West" are going to need to ignore the Russian rehtoric and test the waters? Evidently current sanctions against Russia are akin to declaring war!
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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 01:12 - Mar 6 with 1527 views
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 19:25 - Mar 5 by Lord_Lucan
USA and UK intelligence has been 100% spot on for weeks or months - according to people who know what they are on about. I think it's obvious (and a good thing) that us mere mortals don't know what is actually going on half the time.
Also Zelensky has survived at least three assassination attempts.
Yeah, the plan of where Russia were going to attack from was circulated in December. So the US and UK have known for at least 3 months, probably longer, as that is the publicly available info.
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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 00:36 - Mar 6 by WicklowBlue
Agreed re. Ukraine being let down and a pawn in years of political postering. But it can't be a race to the bottom in terms of all nations having Nukes to ensure their sovereignty!
Imho the current situation is the West sleep walking into a situation where they didn't call Putin's bluff over Crimea and then with the Donbas situation we quickly forgot about Crimea. That was a huge mistake and just emboldened Putin.
Is there going to be a point where the "West" are going to need to ignore the Russian rehtoric and test the waters? Evidently current sanctions against Russia are akin to declaring war!
No, we can’t have a race to the bottom re nuclear weapons, but Ukraine already possessed them and the security guarantees by U.K, US and Russia were to given so that Ukraine would give them up. By reneging on what we have agreed we have given other countries the green light to acquire them.
Given that Russia is trampling all over another country without interference because they have nuclear weapons and is threatening to use them sends a clear message to every territorially ambitious regime to go and acquire them and do exactly the same.
By the U.K. and US in particular, signing an agreement 28 years ago that was empty words we have made the world a much less safe place, assuming Russia gets its fat, juicy prize within a week or two.
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How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 12:49 - Mar 6 with 1386 views
How do you solve a problem like Putin? on 22:14 - Mar 5 by factual_blue
Is that the women who was told by her agent - Don't ring us, we'll ring you.
Reminds me of a very brief and scary encounter I had with a local amateur dramatic society. They all seemed outrageously gay but were in fact all married - to each other.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
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