| Bakinson is just 23 20:19 - Mar 24 with 4496 views | GlasgowBlue |
That surprised me. He plays like a man with more experience than that. And he will get better.
He'd be a very good addition of we sign him on a permanent deal in the summer. [Post edited 24 Mar 2022 20:19]
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 15:26 - Mar 25 with 1002 views | itfcjoe |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 15:22 - Mar 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Never said he would be as good as burns. I said a Burns type wingback. Key word Barca.. type.
Same with Creswell. Made it clear I don't expect him to get to that level either.
But we'll done missing those crucial details just to counter a post of mine. |
He'll never be like Burns because Burns is a winger who plays back there, it's a totally different style.
To end up with a comparison between Cresswell and Burns just doesn't work as totally different players |  |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 15:39 - Mar 25 with 974 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 15:26 - Mar 25 by itfcjoe |
He'll never be like Burns because Burns is a winger who plays back there, it's a totally different style.
To end up with a comparison between Cresswell and Burns just doesn't work as totally different players |
Who's comparing Cresswell and Burns? Bizarre take. |  |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:01 - Mar 25 with 954 views | itfcjoe |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 15:39 - Mar 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Who's comparing Cresswell and Burns? Bizarre take. |
You are saying that Penney can turn into a Burns type, then saying he can learn to defend because Cresswell did | |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:10 - Mar 25 with 943 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Must admit I was a little underwhelmed when he first came in, but in my opinion he’s looked better for each game he plays. [Post edited 25 Mar 2022 17:43]
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:13 - Mar 25 with 939 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:01 - Mar 25 by itfcjoe |
You are saying that Penney can turn into a Burns type, then saying he can learn to defend because Cresswell did |
I said he could improve his defensive game and that Creswell as an example of someone who indeed did improve his own defensive game which showed its possible to improve in this area. ( again not saying Penney will be as good on this area of the game either, just that the attribute can be worked on)
Regarding Burns and Penneys potential ability of being a similar type of player is that he has shown in games that does have that attacking mindset. I think it can be unlocked further and is something Penney has said himself in the past. | |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:24 - Mar 25 with 924 views | BarcaBlue |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:13 - Mar 25 by FrimleyBlue |
I said he could improve his defensive game and that Creswell as an example of someone who indeed did improve his own defensive game which showed its possible to improve in this area. ( again not saying Penney will be as good on this area of the game either, just that the attribute can be worked on)
Regarding Burns and Penneys potential ability of being a similar type of player is that he has shown in games that does have that attacking mindset. I think it can be unlocked further and is something Penney has said himself in the past. |
Penney has shown he has no turn of speed, no discernable skillset, or any of the kind of drive that Burns possesses. No amount of coaching is going to turn him into a Burns ( or Cresswell) type player. It's just not going to happen. It's fairy tale stuff. |  | | |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:27 - Mar 25 with 913 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:24 - Mar 25 by BarcaBlue |
Penney has shown he has no turn of speed, no discernable skillset, or any of the kind of drive that Burns possesses. No amount of coaching is going to turn him into a Burns ( or Cresswell) type player. It's just not going to happen. It's fairy tale stuff. |
We'll see won't we. It's quite simple. He either does and we see him again or he doesn't and he leaves. | |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 22:47 - Mar 25 with 850 views | Stewart27 |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 07:48 - Mar 25 by ArnieM |
I feel Clements is the better prospect . He defends well , gets forward and crosses into the box very well. Thompson might do his defensive duties ok but he offers very little in that wing back role. A role that McKenna wants on that left side. We’ll see what happens over the summer. I can see us signing Bakinson but I’m not so sure about Thompson. |
What makes you think that McKenna wants a Burns equivalent on the left side?
It seems to me that we fit into a nice back 4 when Burns bombs forward.
The shape is brilliant. Hence the 2 goals conceded in 10 games. | | | |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 02:22 - Mar 26 with 807 views | textbackup |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 22:47 - Mar 25 by Stewart27 |
What makes you think that McKenna wants a Burns equivalent on the left side?
It seems to me that we fit into a nice back 4 when Burns bombs forward.
The shape is brilliant. Hence the 2 goals conceded in 10 games. |
my take on this too. keep seeing how we need a wes burn on the left, if we have a striker or two that'll bag 30/35 goals between them thats when we will go from nearly men, to top 2 |  |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 07:31 - Mar 26 with 756 views | Stewart27 |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 02:22 - Mar 26 by textbackup |
my take on this too. keep seeing how we need a wes burn on the left, if we have a striker or two that'll bag 30/35 goals between them thats when we will go from nearly men, to top 2 |
Exactly.
I think Thompson has been fantastic defensively. Infinitely better than what Clements can offer right now. It’s unfair to draw the Burns comparison. We are so lucky to have JD and Burns’ telepathy down the right, but not sure we need it or would even benefit shape wise in the left.
The striker/s and Celina’s contract are absolutely paramount. From an under 23 perspective it will be interesting if McKenna gives Simpson a look once the POs are mathematically impossible. | | | |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 07:36 - Mar 26 with 748 views | Churchman |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 14:58 - Mar 25 by FrimleyBlue |
When he first joined he was OK at the back, nothing amazing and was his weakness. Similar weaknesses to Penney but not as weak with allowing crosses to be made and positioning etc, It however didn't take to long with games behind him to get better and better and he became the player he is today.
My point being is it was something he needed to work on and I think Penney can be worked with. [Post edited 25 Mar 2022 15:00]
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I have to disagree with this. Cresswell was a good Championship level player right from the off. He made the odd mistake, as all players do, but he was a proper full back, both defensively and going forward. He got better and better too and deservedly has had a good PL career. |  | | |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 08:30 - Mar 28 with 663 views | Garv |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 16:24 - Mar 25 by BarcaBlue |
Penney has shown he has no turn of speed, no discernable skillset, or any of the kind of drive that Burns possesses. No amount of coaching is going to turn him into a Burns ( or Cresswell) type player. It's just not going to happen. It's fairy tale stuff. |
He doesn't have the pace of Burns. He's got plenty of drive and willingness to get forward and deliver crosses.
I'd suggest watching back the Morecambe game from the first day of the season and watch how many times Lee Evans, who was superb that day, looked for the runs of Penney. Watch back Gillingham and see where he was when he put the ball on a plate for Bonne.
He's not the best defender, no argument, but he's underrated and unfairly mocked and criticised by some. The point made about Cresswell isn't too far off either, he was a huge asset attacking wise but occasionally suspect at the back. [Post edited 28 Mar 2022 8:30]
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 08:50 - Mar 28 with 630 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 22:47 - Mar 25 by Stewart27 |
What makes you think that McKenna wants a Burns equivalent on the left side?
It seems to me that we fit into a nice back 4 when Burns bombs forward.
The shape is brilliant. Hence the 2 goals conceded in 10 games. |
Yep, we have a perfectly balanced imbalance to the team. | | | |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 12:19 - Mar 28 with 561 views | Grumpy_Old_Man |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 11:32 - Mar 25 by ArnieM |
Hmm yes you’re probably right there. I do think we’ve got some very good youngsters, but KD seems ade ent that something’s not sitting easily with him regarding “his” U23’s with the Clubs new vision….we’ll get a better idea under McKenna in his first full season and pre season signings I guess. But we don’t seem to get very many come through the ranks and stay in that senior squad do we, even prior to the take over.
Put it this way, if you were one of those highly rated U23’s would you see yourself having a future at Town? I’m not sure I would…..I |
Today's U23s are last season's U18s, if their good enough their time will come | | | |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 12:24 - Mar 28 with 548 views | Asa |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 22:47 - Mar 25 by Stewart27 |
What makes you think that McKenna wants a Burns equivalent on the left side?
It seems to me that we fit into a nice back 4 when Burns bombs forward.
The shape is brilliant. Hence the 2 goals conceded in 10 games. |
It works wonderfully.
But it is also over-reliant on Burns staying fit, and he's already had a couple of spells out this season.
If we managed to find a left sided equivalent who could also bomb forward and allow Burns to sit in and make up the four as well, it means we've got insurance against one of them being unavailable but also means that they can share the workload of getting forward.
McKenna may well be perfectly happy with what we have now (Penney and Thompson - if there was a deal to be done for the latter) and there's an argument that Donacien allows Burns to go forward more than Fridge did or maybe Burgess would down the other flank, but wouldn't surprise me at all, if we have to bring someone new in a LWB, that we go for someone who can do what Burns does, even if it's more of a Clapham type whose got the delivery but not the pace and tricks.
Penney has looked good on delivery at times but not so much defensively, although he's got better as the season progressed. Thompson looks very good defensively but poor on delivery and willingness to get in behind. Definitely an area we can upgrade. Ironically, with the lack of set piece proficiency, Garbutt would have been a perfect fit in many ways. | | | |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 17:06 - Mar 28 with 498 views | Dubtractor |
Bakinson is definitely a player the non thinking town fan loves to hate.
I sit in different seats every game, and there are consistently moans about him from people near me. Sure, he sometimes gives the ball away, but he plays a role where he sees a lot of the ball and needs to pass in tight areas, so it's inevitable that some will go astray. [Post edited 28 Mar 2022 17:51]
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 21:15 - Mar 28 with 440 views | N2_Blue |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 07:02 - Mar 25 by ArnieM |
I think this is what KD was miffed about . For some reason this Club (he says) doesn’t want to give its own young players experience. But instead bring in other Clubs young players to gain experience. He might well have a point. You can only gain experience if you get given that chance on the pitch.
Why isn’t Cameron Humphries being given a chance, or Bailey Clements? Are these two loanees really any better than our own. According to KD they’re not and this seems to be why he’s left coz he can’t see a pathway for his U23’s . We need goals . Our strikers can’t hit an elephants arse from 2 feet . So why aren’t we at least trying Simpson from the bench ?
I’m certainly not a “KD for manager”, he’s not good enough . But he’s an excellent coach and that’ll be where he ends up I suspect . But I feel he has a point about the pathway to first team gif our youngsters. If this Club had no intention of ever using them why have an academy . You can’t cherry pick an” appropriate time to adopt” that pathway. Eg we need to get promoted first . You either believe in the academy ethos of you don’t .
Any regards Bakinson ( your original point), I’d agree he’s improving with more games , and I’d sign him for next season . Thompson ? No thanks , he doesn’t get forward enough which is exactly what McKenna wants . Which youngster does that ? Bailey Clements! |
You want Bailey Clements over Dom Thompson!?
You one crazy dude!
Madness. |  |
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| Bakinson is just 23 on 22:22 - Mar 28 with 407 views | Veggie |
| Bakinson is just 23 on 07:02 - Mar 25 by ArnieM |
I think this is what KD was miffed about . For some reason this Club (he says) doesn’t want to give its own young players experience. But instead bring in other Clubs young players to gain experience. He might well have a point. You can only gain experience if you get given that chance on the pitch.
Why isn’t Cameron Humphries being given a chance, or Bailey Clements? Are these two loanees really any better than our own. According to KD they’re not and this seems to be why he’s left coz he can’t see a pathway for his U23’s . We need goals . Our strikers can’t hit an elephants arse from 2 feet . So why aren’t we at least trying Simpson from the bench ?
I’m certainly not a “KD for manager”, he’s not good enough . But he’s an excellent coach and that’ll be where he ends up I suspect . But I feel he has a point about the pathway to first team gif our youngsters. If this Club had no intention of ever using them why have an academy . You can’t cherry pick an” appropriate time to adopt” that pathway. Eg we need to get promoted first . You either believe in the academy ethos of you don’t .
Any regards Bakinson ( your original point), I’d agree he’s improving with more games , and I’d sign him for next season . Thompson ? No thanks , he doesn’t get forward enough which is exactly what McKenna wants . Which youngster does that ? Bailey Clements! |
Bailey Clements is not very good. We must stop having blinkers on when it comes to our youth players. Most won’t be good enough I’m afraid. |  | | |
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