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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". 13:38 - Apr 14 with 2774 views

Right, before I begin, I've never voted Tory, Blair was too right-wing for me, and I'm married to an (EU) immigrant.

Obviously the Rwanda "solution" has been carefully timed to get "Boris" out of trouble.

The issue it seeks to address, however, is going to carry on being an issue. For example, the population of Africa was 0.3bn when I was born. It's now 1.4bn. Europe is dealing with a demand that is never going to go away; and illegal immigration as well as making nasty people very rich and leading to tragic deaths, also removes a lot of enterprising people, and their money, from countries which need both those things.

And yes, if I were in their shoes and had the resource, I would do what they are doing, I'm sure.

So - what do we actually do to address this ? The problem isn't going away. Yes, immigrants are less likely to be on benefits that UK people, we're (in some ways) underpopulated etc etc. However if we have borders and restrictions on who can live here - how do we enforce them ?

I genuinely don't have an idea on this...

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 19:48 - Apr 14 with 716 views

chicoazul

Blair right wing hahaha

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 20:05 - Apr 14 with 681 views

Crawfordsboot

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 17:36 - Apr 14 by eireblue

Over the last few years, U.K. population has grown at around 0.5%.

The birthrate is around 1.7%. In other words, population would decline with no immigration.

In actual numbers of the qrowth is about 350,000 to 400,000.

There are roughly about 4,000 people claiming asylum.

The percentage of rejection of asylum seekers, also varies, sometimes gets about to 23%, but other years lower.

Of course figures vary over the years.

But, for the sake of controlling, the 1% of a 0.5% growth dynamic, we are sending people that are overwhelmingly genuine asylum seekers to a country with human rights issues.

Well that is pretty sh1t.

Hmmmm, looking at those numbers, I think Mullet has the rational and correct response on this.

Couldn’t agree more

All of those on here discussing this great problem are falling into the fat ones trap.

Blow up a problem - make lots of noise - forget about the lying to parliament - that’s just noise off

If it wasn’t so scary that people fall for this sort of play time and time again It might be funny.

Don’t let him get away with it

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 20:20 - Apr 14 with 678 views

NewcyBlue

What do we do? We welcome them. We help them form bonds in our communities, we help them settle, we show compassion and understanding.

There’s nothing more terrifying than being in a small boat in the ocean. Apart from being in a small boat in the ocean with gigantic container ships heading towards you.

Search and Rescue by NewcyBlue 30 Sep 2020 11:11
I’m likely to be delayed getting home.

Coming up the coast of Africa as we near the Canary Islands, approximately 100 nautical miles south, we receive a radio call telling us to proceed to a position 10nm from us.

Two migrant boats have been spotted by SAR aircraft.

We arrive on scene approximately 40 minutes later to find two boats heading on a northerly course at just of 4 knots. Sea state isn’t brilliant for such small boats.

We reported to the nearest Marine Rescue Coordination Centre that we have two small boats in sight. A few minutes later they tell us that they have dispatched a SAR vessel, and we are to escort the migrants to the safety of said vessel.

For over 6 hours we escort what ended up being 4 migrant boats, with at least 30 odd people on each.

At 2135GMT we are released from SAR duties. Having escorted a minimum of 120 people to safety.

Delayed home? Likely. Worth it? Definitely. I have the rest of my life to see my twins, those migrants were taking huge risks in the Atlantic Ocean just so they can see the sun rise over a better future.

I wonder where they will end up. I wish them luck.

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 20:58 - Apr 14 with 642 views

Swansea_Blue

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 17:36 - Apr 14 by eireblue

Asylum seekers were 38k last year, but it doesn’t change your message and yes normally the numbers are much lower. We issued over 1 million visas last year. In non pandemic years we offer about 2 million visas per year. People coming in on small boats are a drop in the ocean (no pun intended, as unfortunately that’s where some end up due to the political choice to close safe routes). And, as you say, this is the group who comprise mostly (60%+) genuine refugees.

It’s very sh*t. Refugees are being used as political weapons and have been for years. Of course we’re not ‘full’ due to these very few people seeking help. It’s a ludicrous suggestion, but it seems to land well and these people are easy targets.

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 21:28 - Apr 14 with 620 views

Mullet

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 15:49 - Apr 14 by Lord_Lucan

I don't necessarily disagree with you but at some point you have to look at reality.

I notice you downvoted my post, but then again you seem to downvote a lot of mine. It would probably be more helpful if you simply replied by text rather than thumb, you can even PM me and call me a tvvat, I promise you, you won't hurt my feelings.

So, back to the hot potato - what the hell can we do. As much as it seems simple to just say to everyone - "Welcome buddy" - how are we going to manage the influx? It's absolutely pointless putting people up in hotels and bed and breakfasts all over the country as we are doing, what sort of life is that? Or what do you propose? It's easy to criticise - but do you have the answer - and can you fund it?

[Post edited 14 Apr 2022 15:51]

Maybe it would force the government to stop leaving public services to rot and invest in them. Boris had the nerve to cite Windrush today, well if he truly believed in that he has a golden opportunity here surely?

We can waste billions on PPE and related COVID fraud etc. It'd pay for this and many things over. It fundamentally comes down to too many people won't rather than can't build a better country. Hence why Sunak and his like are so desperate to subvert power and influence in jobs and lobbies that pay way below their time and worth.

In a decade and more of Conservative austerity social inequality has rocketed, the cost of living has too whilst infrastructure can't cope as it is run down into the hands of their mates and spouses.

Let alone the labour shortages in key industries Brexit has now caused too.

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 21:34 - Apr 14 with 613 views

Swansea_Blue

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 21:28 - Apr 14 by Mullet

They’re going to waste £ billions on this hair brained scheme too. It’ll be many times more expensive than having a more efficient system to review claims here in the UK. I’m not sure if it’s true, but I’ve seen a few references to it being cheaper to detain them in The Mayfair and The Ritz.

You can bet your life savings on a good chunk of the cost being funnelled into the pockets of a Tory donor too.

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 21:38 - Apr 14 with 601 views

Swansea_Blue

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 20:20 - Apr 14 by NewcyBlue

Indeed.

I can’t explain my opposition to this any more clearly than this guy, so I’ll let him have the last word for me.

If you're going to be a c*** because it saves money somewhere, the discussion at least has a starting point. It can be debated.

If you're going to absolutely break the bank just to be a c*** however, then at least acknowledge that being a c*** is your priority.#Rwanda
— Mike Galsworthy ðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¦ (@mikegalsworthy) April 14, 2022

Now we can get back to discussing the criminality of our PM. 3 more fines coming his way apparently.

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 22:36 - Apr 14 with 581 views

Durovigutum

So, what gets me is all the talk about immigration and too many people is that at no point does anyone say "this is our target population".

Surely this is where we should be starting? Let's say 50 million people by 2080, 5 million in Scotland, 3 in Wales, 2 in NI, 40 in England.

With this number in mind you can set so many strategic outcomes. School planning, housing, road building, airports, electric generation, tax levels, water supply, carbon targets, the list goes on

You can also set immigration numbers. Home population then temporary workers or permanent settlers. There's an argument you negatively and artificially limit your economic growth, but to be honest donought economics tells us that's not a bad thing as growth should be targeted and sustainable.

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 07:26 - Apr 15 with 521 views

noggin

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 20:58 - Apr 14 by Swansea_Blue

Don't worry, although Britain doesn't have the infrastructure to take these refugees, there are plenty of council houses and GP surgeries in Rawanda.

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So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 07:42 - Apr 15 with 503 views

chicoazul

So - genuine question - what DO we do about "the boat people". on 16:37 - Apr 14 by Darth_Koont

We should just grow up and deal with it.

There’s plenty of room and resources in the UK and other neighbouring countries have put us to shame with the number of refugees they’ve taken in over recent years. The big problem we have is that we don’t take care of our own population well enough with essential housing, services and support as we choose to starve society of resources.

That’s why a mature approach to immigration and handling refugees decently is a little beyond us.
But if we started supporting people in need better then we really wouldn’t be having the same difficulties.

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