| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign 22:10 - May 6 with 10334 views | ElderGrizzly |
If fined for “beergate”
Assume this is Abbott and Corbyn then based on their comments and tweets the last few days
|  | | |  |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:10 - May 7 with 937 views | jeera |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 19:58 - May 7 by ElderGrizzly |
Abbott doubling down tonight
|
That's not how it reads there though fella:
“I don’t think he will [be fined] — I think this is a lot of hype built up by the Tory press. But if he were to get a fixed penalty notice, he would have to consider his position."
Well that's right isn't it? She hopes he won't get fined but if he were to then given the context of everything he would have to consider his position.
That's not unreasonable and is what pretty much everyone else has been saying.
She's even acknowledged it as Tory propaganda if anything. |  |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:14 - May 7 with 920 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 19:50 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
I agree with you. But then I didn’t find it out if the ordinary when photos emerged of people socially distancing whilst drinking in the back garden of number 10 in between work meetings. Alcohol in some types of pressurised meetings isn’t unusual. I’ve done it myself.
Although Starmer and Rayner hosting an online quiz whilst at Durham Miners hall isn’t so easy to explain. There but for the Grace of god that no one in the Miners hall was silly enough to take photos like they did at number 10.
It’s all nonsense of course but as somebody said on Twitter earlier, Starmer has set the bar so high he is now struggling to vault over it himself. [Post edited 7 May 2022 20:07]
|
If he is fined he has to resign, as does Rayner.
If he isn't, he doesn't.
I like the idea, suggested above, that he comes out and says so now. |  | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:14 - May 7 with 920 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:10 - May 7 by jeera |
That's not how it reads there though fella:
“I don’t think he will [be fined] — I think this is a lot of hype built up by the Tory press. But if he were to get a fixed penalty notice, he would have to consider his position."
Well that's right isn't it? She hopes he won't get fined but if he were to then given the context of everything he would have to consider his position.
That's not unreasonable and is what pretty much everyone else has been saying.
She's even acknowledged it as Tory propaganda if anything. |
It’s also been acknowledged on social media, that she was the source last night saying he should resign if fined.
Clearly no love lost and to repeat it 24 hours later isn’t exactly helpful | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:15 - May 7 with 911 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 19:50 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
I agree with you. But then I didn’t find it out if the ordinary when photos emerged of people socially distancing whilst drinking in the back garden of number 10 in between work meetings. Alcohol in some types of pressurised meetings isn’t unusual. I’ve done it myself.
Although Starmer and Rayner hosting an online quiz whilst at Durham Miners hall isn’t so easy to explain. There but for the Grace of god that no one in the Miners hall was silly enough to take photos like they did at number 10.
It’s all nonsense of course but as somebody said on Twitter earlier, Starmer has set the bar so high he is now struggling to vault over it himself. [Post edited 7 May 2022 20:07]
|
i agree entirely. a number of the events at no. 10 have always seemed to me to be work. exactly the same as starmer's dinner. what wasn't work was the spads' karaoke and bringing booze in suitcases. beyond the spad events i think in both no. 10 and durham it is all largely nonsense which on both sides is being played for pure politics. starmer's mistake has been going in so hard with it all as a moral absolute. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:18 - May 7 with 898 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 18:15 - May 7 by ZXBlue |
Have you read the article? It essentially said that it was planned to get some food in. Which is hardly an issue.
Look at the video, they are even staying distanced whilst eating! |
Looking bad for the Daily Mail:
The Daily Mail, who has relied heavily on anonymous stories for it's coverage and has not been able to name any of them, now has started to contradict itself about what some of those sources have said and anonymous sources and changing stories from said sources do not exactly enhance ones' credibility.
I wonder if the Mail will assist the police with their investigation and the cops are able to speak with these anonymous sources during their investigation, I mean, they are central witnesses to the case so surely the Mail will want these people to speak to the police to nail the evil lying man that they claim Starmer is.
These people who clearly believe that they have evidence need to tell everything they know the the police. If they don't, then one would ask why they are simply anonymous names in a Newspaper rather than people who are giving evidence to the police. | |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:21 - May 7 with 875 views | jeera |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:14 - May 7 by ElderGrizzly |
It’s also been acknowledged on social media, that she was the source last night saying he should resign if fined.
Clearly no love lost and to repeat it 24 hours later isn’t exactly helpful |
I'm only going by the Guardian article there.
It is quoted word for word what she's said as well, though far for me to stand up for Abbot as a rule, fair's fair. It's not exactly unusual for people to twist words to get views on SM is it.
I didn't know she had repeated it, I can only see the article linked there so maybe I'm missing something.
Tell you what I don't like, is this sort of provocative language:
"However, a leaked memo published by the Mail on Sunday indicated the curry enjoyed by Starmer and colleagues in April 2021."
Who says they enjoyed it? It might have been awful for all we know. It gives the impression of fun instead of the necessary intake of food.
This choice of words by the Indy even: "Starmer was filmed swigging from a beer bottle.."
Swigging. [Post edited 7 May 2022 20:25]
| |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:35 - May 7 with 830 views | ZXBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:21 - May 7 by jeera |
I'm only going by the Guardian article there.
It is quoted word for word what she's said as well, though far for me to stand up for Abbot as a rule, fair's fair. It's not exactly unusual for people to twist words to get views on SM is it.
I didn't know she had repeated it, I can only see the article linked there so maybe I'm missing something.
Tell you what I don't like, is this sort of provocative language:
"However, a leaked memo published by the Mail on Sunday indicated the curry enjoyed by Starmer and colleagues in April 2021."
Who says they enjoyed it? It might have been awful for all we know. It gives the impression of fun instead of the necessary intake of food.
This choice of words by the Indy even: "Starmer was filmed swigging from a beer bottle.."
Swigging. [Post edited 7 May 2022 20:25]
|
Indeed. The Mail article says almost nothing, whilst claiming to be highly significant. [Post edited 7 May 2022 21:05]
| | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 21:01 - May 7 with 793 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:15 - May 7 by lowhouseblue |
i agree entirely. a number of the events at no. 10 have always seemed to me to be work. exactly the same as starmer's dinner. what wasn't work was the spads' karaoke and bringing booze in suitcases. beyond the spad events i think in both no. 10 and durham it is all largely nonsense which on both sides is being played for pure politics. starmer's mistake has been going in so hard with it all as a moral absolute. |
Invites sent out to a bring your own booze party for after work are most definitely not work. This was at a time when the rest of us could only meet 1 person. Besides, that’s only the half of it, as Johnson and Sunak repeatedly lied to the House about it. Where the code of conduct has to be voluntarily enforced that should be fatal for both of them. They mislead the House, and not for the first time in Johnson’s case. That’s always been a resignation offence. It really is that simple (or should be if we value rules and standards).
Playing Starmer of against Johnson is a load of false equivalence bollox that doesn’t exonerate Johnson or Sunak in any way. If Starmer is found to have broken the law then he needs to face the consequences in his own right. It has nothing to do with the lawbreaking of Johnson. |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 21:06 - May 7 with 785 views | ZXBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 21:01 - May 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Invites sent out to a bring your own booze party for after work are most definitely not work. This was at a time when the rest of us could only meet 1 person. Besides, that’s only the half of it, as Johnson and Sunak repeatedly lied to the House about it. Where the code of conduct has to be voluntarily enforced that should be fatal for both of them. They mislead the House, and not for the first time in Johnson’s case. That’s always been a resignation offence. It really is that simple (or should be if we value rules and standards).
Playing Starmer of against Johnson is a load of false equivalence bollox that doesn’t exonerate Johnson or Sunak in any way. If Starmer is found to have broken the law then he needs to face the consequences in his own right. It has nothing to do with the lawbreaking of Johnson. |
All correct.
Prorogation of parliament was a resigning matter. | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 21:53 - May 7 with 735 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 21:06 - May 7 by ZXBlue |
All correct.
Prorogation of parliament was a resigning matter. |
Yep, that as well. He’s riding a coach and horses through the gentleman’s rules that are supposed to hold the place together. I’m surprised more people don’t care. | |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 22:04 - May 7 with 710 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 19:53 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
That’s just daft. I dont want Starmer to go, but if he is fined then his position is untenable. People shouldn’t perform mental gymnastics because it’s the people they support who are in the dock. |
No its not daft. If it is untenable on the opposition side it is doubly untenable on the government side.The only mental gymnastics is being done by yourself. You have to be morally biased not to accept that if this is a resigning matter that there are a huge amount of similar resigning matters on the Tory side. |  | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 22:35 - May 7 with 666 views | DublinBlue84 |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 20:35 - May 7 by ZXBlue |
Indeed. The Mail article says almost nothing, whilst claiming to be highly significant. [Post edited 7 May 2022 21:05]
|
More serious questions for the Daily Mail on this now.
Their anonymous source firstly claimed that they were delivering a meal for around 30 people and they have been using that line for a few days now in their various articles as part of their campaign about so called 'beergate' and Starmer.
Today they have uncovered the following visit plan
Now the Daily Mail have stated that their source, that they previously said for days, said was delivering a meal for 30 people, now actually said he was delivering for 15 people.
It's very strange that their source's comments have changed following that visit plan being released, since that visit plan would make the source look less reliable. Obviously if the source says one thing and the evidence says another, the source loses credibility. In this case it seems that the sources version of events has changed somewhat and now just happens to fit the latest evidence whereas it wouldn't have previously.
As stated earlier, the source must now go to the Police and tell the police everything that they know and give an official statement on the record. They must not be simply an un-named source in a politically motivated newspaper. If there is anything in what they say there is, they need to place it on record in the interests of fairness and natural justice and not just speak to the Daily Mail. [Post edited 7 May 2022 22:47]
| |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 22:43 - May 7 with 652 views | ZXBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 21:53 - May 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, that as well. He’s riding a coach and horses through the gentleman’s rules that are supposed to hold the place together. I’m surprised more people don’t care. |
Most people dont understand it properly. But with an unwritten constitution, it is those conventions that have amde it all work for centuries. It is the pressure of one's peers when one behaves without integrity which forces consequences.
Boris and his despicable crew have changed that. We are in an incredibly dangerous place. | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 22:53 - May 7 with 612 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 22:04 - May 7 by Eireannach_gorm |
No its not daft. If it is untenable on the opposition side it is doubly untenable on the government side.The only mental gymnastics is being done by yourself. You have to be morally biased not to accept that if this is a resigning matter that there are a huge amount of similar resigning matters on the Tory side. |
Yes I agree. Johnson has broken the ministerial code and should resign. Absolutely no issues with that.
The reason Starmer’s position is untenable if he is fined us that he demanded Sunak’s resignation fir being fined when all he did was turn up 5 minutes early fir a meeting with Johnson only to find a case being presented.
Starmer believes that Sunak should resign because he was fined. Starmer then cannot remain in post if he himself is fines. Otherwise he would be perceived as no better than the rule breaking Tories.
Now what mental gymnastics am I performing? |  |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:06 - May 7 with 594 views | XYZ |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 22:43 - May 7 by ZXBlue |
Most people dont understand it properly. But with an unwritten constitution, it is those conventions that have amde it all work for centuries. It is the pressure of one's peers when one behaves without integrity which forces consequences.
Boris and his despicable crew have changed that. We are in an incredibly dangerous place. |
This was Putin's plan. It's fully executed. But, "Project Fear".
Backed by US "libertarian" billionaires - Koch, Thiel, etc. - the easiest coup in history. The UK was ripe with the thickest, most malleable, electorate on earth.
Still, 10% inflation, an eternal recession, no right to protest ...
Welcome to Singapore-on-Thames.
You and your kids are slaves henceforth. Debt ridden slaves to foreign owners of UK property.
Idiots. | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:17 - May 7 with 564 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:06 - May 7 by XYZ |
This was Putin's plan. It's fully executed. But, "Project Fear".
Backed by US "libertarian" billionaires - Koch, Thiel, etc. - the easiest coup in history. The UK was ripe with the thickest, most malleable, electorate on earth.
Still, 10% inflation, an eternal recession, no right to protest ...
Welcome to Singapore-on-Thames.
You and your kids are slaves henceforth. Debt ridden slaves to foreign owners of UK property.
Idiots. |
Inflation in the UK is currently 7% and rising. Inflation in the Eurozone is 7.5% and rising. Inflation in the USA is 8.5% and rising.
Food price #inflation in March this year was 5.8% in both the UK and the euro area, and 6.9% in the EU as a whole.
But Brexit. | |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:17 - May 7 with 570 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:06 - May 7 by XYZ |
This was Putin's plan. It's fully executed. But, "Project Fear".
Backed by US "libertarian" billionaires - Koch, Thiel, etc. - the easiest coup in history. The UK was ripe with the thickest, most malleable, electorate on earth.
Still, 10% inflation, an eternal recession, no right to protest ...
Welcome to Singapore-on-Thames.
You and your kids are slaves henceforth. Debt ridden slaves to foreign owners of UK property.
Idiots. |
I mean I'm not sure spouting a complete load of b*llocks helps matters. | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:19 - May 7 with 566 views | ZXBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:17 - May 7 by FoghornGleghorn |
I mean I'm not sure spouting a complete load of b*llocks helps matters. |
You think putin hasnt been trying to encourage certain types of leadership here and the US? And hasnt interfered or sought to influence? | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:23 - May 7 with 553 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:19 - May 7 by ZXBlue |
You think putin hasnt been trying to encourage certain types of leadership here and the US? And hasnt interfered or sought to influence? |
Obviously, but inflation isn't far out of step with Europe as a whole, and "no right to protest" is just something XYZ made up before descending into hysterical nonsense. | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:25 - May 7 with 549 views | ZXBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:23 - May 7 by FoghornGleghorn |
Obviously, but inflation isn't far out of step with Europe as a whole, and "no right to protest" is just something XYZ made up before descending into hysterical nonsense. |
I suggest you look at some of the recently introduced laws on protests. XYZ was guilty of hyperbole, but look at where we are headed.... | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:32 - May 7 with 530 views | XYZ |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:23 - May 7 by FoghornGleghorn |
Obviously, but inflation isn't far out of step with Europe as a whole, and "no right to protest" is just something XYZ made up before descending into hysterical nonsense. |
You can be arrested for being "too noisy". | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:36 - May 7 with 519 views | jeera |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:17 - May 7 by FoghornGleghorn |
I mean I'm not sure spouting a complete load of b*llocks helps matters. |
He's right about the Project Fear nonsense that people bought into.
Right about Russian interference.
And Koch's involvement.
And inflation.
And the new bill intended to temper protest. | |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:37 - May 7 with 514 views | jeera |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:32 - May 7 by XYZ |
You can be arrested for being "too noisy". |
Or even just for saying you're English.
But we won't go there. | |
| |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:37 - May 7 with 510 views | XYZ |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:17 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Inflation in the UK is currently 7% and rising. Inflation in the Eurozone is 7.5% and rising. Inflation in the USA is 8.5% and rising.
Food price #inflation in March this year was 5.8% in both the UK and the euro area, and 6.9% in the EU as a whole.
But Brexit. |
No mention of GDP.
Funny that you'd dismiss the suffering of so many of the UK's poor.
I presume you and yours are OK through this?
GB is happy whilst the UK's poor are cold and hungry.
Be careful who you listen to. This guy is in favour of people's kids going hungry. | | | |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:40 - May 7 with 497 views | ZXBlue |
| Labour ‘figures’ saying Starmer must resign on 23:37 - May 7 by XYZ |
No mention of GDP.
Funny that you'd dismiss the suffering of so many of the UK's poor.
I presume you and yours are OK through this?
GB is happy whilst the UK's poor are cold and hungry.
Be careful who you listen to. This guy is in favour of people's kids going hungry. |
I have no clue where you get any of that from. its certainly not in GBs post! | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
