| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… 11:18 - May 13 with 7438 views | Kieran_Knows |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:48 - May 13 with 2221 views | portmanking |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 13:51 - May 13 by TomTheWriter |
Must be one of the only people severely underwhelmed by this link.
Offensively he has performed on par or worse than Sam Morsy's has, and A LOT worse than Panutche Camara has (who might I add will probably be available for less than seven-figures).
Defensively he has once again performed worse than Camara, and on par with Bakinson.
With the ball, he is so much worse than Bakinson. His percentages are low. He tries to do too much with smart passes, long balls, through passes and they either go out of play or are intercepted.
Reliably informed by Posh fans that he has had hamstring issues since he arrived.
For a possible £2mill + outlay, he should be far, far down the list of potential signings.
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Why would you be underwhelmed?
According to your data dashboard he's performed well above the CHAMPIONSHIP average in most midfield and defensive stats? Imagine the Champ median is superior to the League One median? To hit those stats in a struggling team is surely no mean feat? |  | | |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:49 - May 13 with 2216 views | gtsb1966 |
For you youngsters on here. Jack Taylor is was also the name of the first English referee to referee a world Cup final. He was in charge of the 1974 final in which West Germany beat Holland 2-1. |  | | |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:00 - May 13 with 2173 views | TomTheWriter |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:48 - May 13 by portmanking |
Why would you be underwhelmed?
According to your data dashboard he's performed well above the CHAMPIONSHIP average in most midfield and defensive stats? Imagine the Champ median is superior to the League One median? To hit those stats in a struggling team is surely no mean feat? |
Best comparison I can give is with Bakinson, which is in the tweet tagged below.
As you can see from his dashboard, Taylor has performed above the average line for a Championship median for the majority of his 'per 90' stats which means he does a lot of things in each game. Lots of passes, long passes, lateral passes, through passes, defensive and offensive duelling. He is doing a lot.
From the outside looking in, he is aerially strong, good at intercepting and tries the adventurous pass rather than the obvious.
The issue comes from the %'s, where he ranks very low. That means although he is passing forward, he usually coughs up possession and loses the ball. His through balls are overhit, his lateral passes are underhit. He loses out in defensive battles to midfielders.
Taylor has been described as a key member of their midfield, yet he can't keep the ball, so that immediately rules him out of the playmaker role. The only option for him is to play him further forward and drop Morsy into the holding role. Should Ipswich Town be spending £2mill+ on a advanced midfielder with 2 goals last season, who can't keep the ball under pressure? Not for me
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:08 - May 13 with 2151 views | chicoazul |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:27 - May 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Taylor’s from Peterborough or people labelling signings as ridiculous before limping to 11th place? |
Haha both are valid but I have expunged Paul Taylor almost entirely from my memory banks. |  |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:17 - May 13 with 2127 views | StokieBlue |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:00 - May 13 by TomTheWriter |
Best comparison I can give is with Bakinson, which is in the tweet tagged below.
As you can see from his dashboard, Taylor has performed above the average line for a Championship median for the majority of his 'per 90' stats which means he does a lot of things in each game. Lots of passes, long passes, lateral passes, through passes, defensive and offensive duelling. He is doing a lot.
From the outside looking in, he is aerially strong, good at intercepting and tries the adventurous pass rather than the obvious.
The issue comes from the %'s, where he ranks very low. That means although he is passing forward, he usually coughs up possession and loses the ball. His through balls are overhit, his lateral passes are underhit. He loses out in defensive battles to midfielders.
Taylor has been described as a key member of their midfield, yet he can't keep the ball, so that immediately rules him out of the playmaker role. The only option for him is to play him further forward and drop Morsy into the holding role. Should Ipswich Town be spending £2mill+ on a advanced midfielder with 2 goals last season, who can't keep the ball under pressure? Not for me
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I'd be wary of drawing all the conclusions that you are from just statistical evidence and data. Whilst these are no doubt useful it's possible to "overfit" the data and come to results which aren't really applicable. We simply don't know that because his forward passing stats in the Championship aren't that high that it will mean Morsy drops back to a more defensive role. It's a large logical leap which requires far more evidence before making the assertion.
I'd also point out that you're making direct comparisons between a player playing for a relegated club in the Championship against a player playing for a playoff chasing team in League One. The style of play, control of the game and simple quality of the opposition players is going to be markedly different. Linear extrapolations simply might not apply.
As a visual study, here is Durer's Rhino, an example of what can happen if you draw conclusions from data alone which might be incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCrer%27s_Rhinoceros
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:20 - May 13 with 2109 views | wkj |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:17 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I'd be wary of drawing all the conclusions that you are from just statistical evidence and data. Whilst these are no doubt useful it's possible to "overfit" the data and come to results which aren't really applicable. We simply don't know that because his forward passing stats in the Championship aren't that high that it will mean Morsy drops back to a more defensive role. It's a large logical leap which requires far more evidence before making the assertion.
I'd also point out that you're making direct comparisons between a player playing for a relegated club in the Championship against a player playing for a playoff chasing team in League One. The style of play, control of the game and simple quality of the opposition players is going to be markedly different. Linear extrapolations simply might not apply.
As a visual study, here is Durer's Rhino, an example of what can happen if you draw conclusions from data alone which might be incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCrer%27s_Rhinoceros
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So, what you're saying is that if Harry Kane played for Boreham Wood next season, and artist would look at his stats and draw him like this...
I'm not sure I like that much and I am sure the EFL will have something to say about it too! |  |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:24 - May 13 with 2095 views | footers |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:17 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I'd be wary of drawing all the conclusions that you are from just statistical evidence and data. Whilst these are no doubt useful it's possible to "overfit" the data and come to results which aren't really applicable. We simply don't know that because his forward passing stats in the Championship aren't that high that it will mean Morsy drops back to a more defensive role. It's a large logical leap which requires far more evidence before making the assertion.
I'd also point out that you're making direct comparisons between a player playing for a relegated club in the Championship against a player playing for a playoff chasing team in League One. The style of play, control of the game and simple quality of the opposition players is going to be markedly different. Linear extrapolations simply might not apply.
As a visual study, here is Durer's Rhino, an example of what can happen if you draw conclusions from data alone which might be incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCrer%27s_Rhinoceros
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You stole a Durer from me when I was in Portugal.
You were all there in London gawping at it while I was left with my proverbial in hand staring at a blank space for an hour.
Honestly, you've been back five minutes and already causing a ruckus. |  |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:30 - May 13 with 2068 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:39 - May 13 by BloomBlue |
I remember Pigott, Harper, Edward's etc etc being an 'absolutely ridiculous signing if it's done'. |
I didn't get excited by any of those.
Taylor is obviously a decent player. I like Bakinson too and thought he really developed in his time here. | | | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:33 - May 13 with 2057 views | TomTheWriter |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:17 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I'd be wary of drawing all the conclusions that you are from just statistical evidence and data. Whilst these are no doubt useful it's possible to "overfit" the data and come to results which aren't really applicable. We simply don't know that because his forward passing stats in the Championship aren't that high that it will mean Morsy drops back to a more defensive role. It's a large logical leap which requires far more evidence before making the assertion.
I'd also point out that you're making direct comparisons between a player playing for a relegated club in the Championship against a player playing for a playoff chasing team in League One. The style of play, control of the game and simple quality of the opposition players is going to be markedly different. Linear extrapolations simply might not apply.
As a visual study, here is Durer's Rhino, an example of what can happen if you draw conclusions from data alone which might be incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCrer%27s_Rhinoceros
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I also watched 2 hours of footage of him from this season to understand the type of player that he is. There were multiple occasions in April alone where instead of taking the ball down, assessing his options and maintaining possession, he opted to flick the ball in the air for the defenders to head clear. There were times where he could have reset, turned and passed the ball to the defenders behind; however, he overhit long passes down the line and gave up possession.
In my opinion, the holding playmaker should control the game, pass and move, switch when needed, go forward when required but first and foremost protect the defence. That, in my opinion, rules out someone who doesn't looks in control when the ball it at his feet.
Therefore, logically, he would be purchased for the box-to-box role? Anyway, the argument for me is 'should Ipswich spend £2mill+ on a player no better than a loanee with a permanent option in their deal?' Honestly, it gives me big Roy Keane vibes under Evans.
Also, this is the best midfielder for the worst team in League One this season. A surprisingly similar output to Taylor. One would be free, one would be £3million
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 17:10 - May 13 with 1996 views | ITFC_Josh |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:33 - May 13 by TomTheWriter |
I also watched 2 hours of footage of him from this season to understand the type of player that he is. There were multiple occasions in April alone where instead of taking the ball down, assessing his options and maintaining possession, he opted to flick the ball in the air for the defenders to head clear. There were times where he could have reset, turned and passed the ball to the defenders behind; however, he overhit long passes down the line and gave up possession.
In my opinion, the holding playmaker should control the game, pass and move, switch when needed, go forward when required but first and foremost protect the defence. That, in my opinion, rules out someone who doesn't looks in control when the ball it at his feet.
Therefore, logically, he would be purchased for the box-to-box role? Anyway, the argument for me is 'should Ipswich spend £2mill+ on a player no better than a loanee with a permanent option in their deal?' Honestly, it gives me big Roy Keane vibes under Evans.
Also, this is the best midfielder for the worst team in League One this season. A surprisingly similar output to Taylor. One would be free, one would be £3million
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Taylor is far better than Bakinson. Yes will be quite expensive and most likely won’t happen because posh won’t sell to us, but bakinson would be a squad option whereas Taylor would be a nailed on starter. |  | | |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 17:15 - May 13 with 1981 views | TomTheWriter |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 17:10 - May 13 by ITFC_Josh |
Taylor is far better than Bakinson. Yes will be quite expensive and most likely won’t happen because posh won’t sell to us, but bakinson would be a squad option whereas Taylor would be a nailed on starter. |
I agree that Taylor is probably a better all-round player than Bakinson, but where do you play him? Do you play him deep and accept that you probably won't be able to play possession football? He's better further forward, but then you have to ask 'do you pay £2mill+ for someone who does exactly what Morsy does, but with less goal contributions?' | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 17:44 - May 13 with 1946 views | monty_radio |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:49 - May 13 by gtsb1966 |
For you youngsters on here. Jack Taylor is was also the name of the first English referee to referee a world Cup final. He was in charge of the 1974 final in which West Germany beat Holland 2-1. |
Surely he was called "Big Jack Taylor" though? | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 18:29 - May 13 with 1870 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:17 - May 13 by StokieBlue |
I'd be wary of drawing all the conclusions that you are from just statistical evidence and data. Whilst these are no doubt useful it's possible to "overfit" the data and come to results which aren't really applicable. We simply don't know that because his forward passing stats in the Championship aren't that high that it will mean Morsy drops back to a more defensive role. It's a large logical leap which requires far more evidence before making the assertion.
I'd also point out that you're making direct comparisons between a player playing for a relegated club in the Championship against a player playing for a playoff chasing team in League One. The style of play, control of the game and simple quality of the opposition players is going to be markedly different. Linear extrapolations simply might not apply.
As a visual study, here is Durer's Rhino, an example of what can happen if you draw conclusions from data alone which might be incomplete:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCrer%27s_Rhinoceros
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Looks like you are aiming for 'peak Stokie' after your hiatus! |  |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 18:31 - May 13 with 1860 views | Stewart27 |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 15:39 - May 13 by BloomBlue |
I remember Pigott, Harper, Edward's etc etc being an 'absolutely ridiculous signing if it's done'. |
I can remember nobody saying this. | | | |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 18:41 - May 13 with 1817 views | wkj |
At the time, Carroll looked like one of the best signings of the summer - that soon ended up not being the case. | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 19:00 - May 13 with 1781 views | Rozz |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 18:41 - May 13 by wkj |
At the time, Carroll looked like one of the best signings of the summer - that soon ended up not being the case. |
I'd genuinely never heard of him, although admittedly he had some pedigree so more down to my own ignorance! I think Chaplin / Morsy were the biggest ones for me where I though blimey, we're going for decent Championship level targets.
Carroll & Aluko were a bit more free hit for me. 50% success rate I'll take. |  | | |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 19:27 - May 13 with 1715 views | chicoazul |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:30 - May 13 by PrideOfTheEast |
I didn't get excited by any of those.
Taylor is obviously a decent player. I like Bakinson too and thought he really developed in his time here. |
Imagine not getting excited by signing two young players from a Premier League team. It is allowed you know. | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 06:44 - May 14 with 1489 views | Veggie |
Just watched a highlights YouTube video of Jack Taylor in action. Obviously I’m not a statistician (unlike most people these days it seems ), but from that evidence he looks to to be a proper box to box midfielder. Remember them? He can score goals, assist, run and tackle. Pretty much everything that we’ve been lacking for years in our midfield (Morsy aside). Exactly what we need. [Post edited 14 May 2022 6:53]
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 07:23 - May 14 with 1438 views | itfcjoe |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:33 - May 13 by TomTheWriter |
I also watched 2 hours of footage of him from this season to understand the type of player that he is. There were multiple occasions in April alone where instead of taking the ball down, assessing his options and maintaining possession, he opted to flick the ball in the air for the defenders to head clear. There were times where he could have reset, turned and passed the ball to the defenders behind; however, he overhit long passes down the line and gave up possession.
In my opinion, the holding playmaker should control the game, pass and move, switch when needed, go forward when required but first and foremost protect the defence. That, in my opinion, rules out someone who doesn't looks in control when the ball it at his feet.
Therefore, logically, he would be purchased for the box-to-box role? Anyway, the argument for me is 'should Ipswich spend £2mill+ on a player no better than a loanee with a permanent option in their deal?' Honestly, it gives me big Roy Keane vibes under Evans.
Also, this is the best midfielder for the worst team in League One this season. A surprisingly similar output to Taylor. One would be free, one would be £3million
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Lowery is going to MK.
How do Taylor’s stats look in 20/21 in L1 as may be more relevant?
Also an issue with team styles and how players asked to play in some of these stats |  |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 07:44 - May 14 with 1398 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 11:21 - May 13 by Sweetman |
Absolutely ridiculous signing if it's to be done. |
Given the record of players that have dropped down to Town’s level from Posh this is a somewhat absurd story from both the club’s and player’s perspective | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 13:15 - May 14 with 1262 views | TomTheWriter |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 07:23 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
Lowery is going to MK.
How do Taylor’s stats look in 20/21 in L1 as may be more relevant?
Also an issue with team styles and how players asked to play in some of these stats |
Smart business by MK again if that goes through.
Looking at his League One stats from 2020/21, Taylor is more rounded. In the Championship, he had more dark greens suggesting he was doing more. In League One, has has more stats over the average than under it, suggesting that although he did less, he did better. His defensive stats are way down in League One compared to the Championship. His attacking stats are way up in League One. His passing is more consistent, but less frequent.
Can’t upload an image straight onto the forum, but if you look at Lowery’s, basically add a lot of success aerially, much better accuracy with his long passing, but well down on progressive runs and passes. very similar players, difference being one will cost about £200k and the other will be £2.5mill  | |
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:01 - May 14 with 1162 views | Veggie |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 13:15 - May 14 by TomTheWriter |
Smart business by MK again if that goes through.
Looking at his League One stats from 2020/21, Taylor is more rounded. In the Championship, he had more dark greens suggesting he was doing more. In League One, has has more stats over the average than under it, suggesting that although he did less, he did better. His defensive stats are way down in League One compared to the Championship. His attacking stats are way up in League One. His passing is more consistent, but less frequent.
Can’t upload an image straight onto the forum, but if you look at Lowery’s, basically add a lot of success aerially, much better accuracy with his long passing, but well down on progressive runs and passes. very similar players, difference being one will cost about £200k and the other will be £2.5mill |
Probably sums up why you can’t really base the quality of a player purely on stats. A good example is when McCarthy signed Tyrone Mings. He saw him play a half of a trial game and knew he was good enough. His stats may well have been awful. [Post edited 14 May 2022 16:03]
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| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 16:32 - May 14 with 1121 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Jack Taylor - Peterborough… on 13:15 - May 14 by TomTheWriter |
Smart business by MK again if that goes through.
Looking at his League One stats from 2020/21, Taylor is more rounded. In the Championship, he had more dark greens suggesting he was doing more. In League One, has has more stats over the average than under it, suggesting that although he did less, he did better. His defensive stats are way down in League One compared to the Championship. His attacking stats are way up in League One. His passing is more consistent, but less frequent.
Can’t upload an image straight onto the forum, but if you look at Lowery’s, basically add a lot of success aerially, much better accuracy with his long passing, but well down on progressive runs and passes. very similar players, difference being one will cost about £200k and the other will be £2.5mill |
One is 5'6 and the other is 6'1. I'd imagine the stats in terms of physicality are miles apart?! McKenna definitely wants players with strong physicality, endurance and running stats. [Post edited 14 May 2022 16:40]
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