| Lib Dems win Tiverton! 04:11 - Jun 24 with 1651 views | Keno |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 04:15 - Jun 24 with 1413 views | quirkie |
That is the end of BoJo, no coming back from a 25k True Blue majority.
It'll take a few months but he is gone. |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:03 - Jun 24 with 1275 views | solomon |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 04:15 - Jun 24 by quirkie |
That is the end of BoJo, no coming back from a 25k True Blue majority.
It'll take a few months but he is gone. |
Thank god, we all need this asap. |  | | |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:10 - Jun 24 with 1249 views | dissboy2 |
and Labour got Wakefield |  | | |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:13 - Jun 24 with 1244 views | Churchman |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 04:15 - Jun 24 by quirkie |
That is the end of BoJo, no coming back from a 25k True Blue majority.
It'll take a few months but he is gone. |
For the sake of the country, he and they need to go ASAP. However, the longer he stays, the less seats they’ll have.
The big question was what on earth was wrong the people that voted for them? In a sane world they’d have had about 20 votes each. |  | | |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:15 - Jun 24 with 1243 views | Steve_M |
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahaha!
Johnson even turned up there this week so the Tories must have felt confident at one stage.
Anyone know what phase of saving 'Big Dog' we're in now? |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:15 - Jun 24 with 1234 views | dissboy2 |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 04:15 - Jun 24 by quirkie |
That is the end of BoJo, no coming back from a 25k True Blue majority.
It'll take a few months but he is gone. |
tory party chairman just resigned, letter of deafening non-endorsement of Bojo | | | |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:20 - Jun 24 with 1224 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:15 - Jun 24 by Steve_M |
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahaha!
Johnson even turned up there this week so the Tories must have felt confident at one stage.
Anyone know what phase of saving 'Big Dog' we're in now? |
I think probably the "keep Starmer at all costs" stage. 49% of a 39% turn out. Now that is inspirational right there. |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:43 - Jun 24 with 1145 views | GlasgowBlue |
Now if only those 54 Tory MP’s who sent letters had waited a couple of weeks. |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:53 - Jun 24 with 1074 views | itfcjoe |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:20 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think probably the "keep Starmer at all costs" stage. 49% of a 39% turn out. Now that is inspirational right there. |
You always seem upset when the Tories lose a seat |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:54 - Jun 24 with 1062 views | unbelievablue |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:43 - Jun 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Now if only those 54 Tory MP’s who sent letters had waited a couple of weeks. |
I did wonder whether there was a bit of politicking by Boris and co. to force through the no confidence vote early once they knew it was coming.
But surely they're not clever enough for that. |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:59 - Jun 24 with 1051 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:53 - Jun 24 by itfcjoe |
You always seem upset when the Tories lose a seat |
Not at all upset but I can see what is glaringly obvious. People are voting against Johnson and not for Starmer or Labour. We are entirely back to a situation where the majority feel that nobody speaks for them. [Post edited 24 Jun 2022 8:00]
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:01 - Jun 24 with 1031 views | Chrisd |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:13 - Jun 24 by Churchman |
For the sake of the country, he and they need to go ASAP. However, the longer he stays, the less seats they’ll have.
The big question was what on earth was wrong the people that voted for them? In a sane world they’d have had about 20 votes each. |
It was more the fact that BJ made promises he couldn’t deliver and the opposition was imploding at the time. Sadly, the opposition now still remains very unconvincing and this is probably another reason why we’ve had this woeful PM at the helm for so long. | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:09 - Jun 24 with 991 views | dissboy2 |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:59 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not at all upset but I can see what is glaringly obvious. People are voting against Johnson and not for Starmer or Labour. We are entirely back to a situation where the majority feel that nobody speaks for them. [Post edited 24 Jun 2022 8:00]
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:09 - Jun 24 with 991 views | tractordownsouth |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:20 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think probably the "keep Starmer at all costs" stage. 49% of a 39% turn out. Now that is inspirational right there. |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:18 - Jun 24 with 951 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not strictly true - the Tories lost it by fielding a useless candidate their own party didn’t have confidence in after the incumbent stepped down it total disgrace. Picking up a protest vote isn’t a win under those circumstances
Now if voters would vote tactically in a general election to oust ‘safe’ conservatives for a full government term - that would be a win. | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:20 - Jun 24 with 935 views | Guthrum |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:59 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not at all upset but I can see what is glaringly obvious. People are voting against Johnson and not for Starmer or Labour. We are entirely back to a situation where the majority feel that nobody speaks for them. [Post edited 24 Jun 2022 8:00]
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Quite possibly scarred by the last time they thought someone did and it turned out he was partying while they were locked down, plus bvggering up the economy.
Mind you, it would help if people started voting for MPs based on their views, rather than what colour rosette they happen to be wearing. |  |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:27 - Jun 24 with 903 views | tractordownsouth |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:18 - Jun 24 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not strictly true - the Tories lost it by fielding a useless candidate their own party didn’t have confidence in after the incumbent stepped down it total disgrace. Picking up a protest vote isn’t a win under those circumstances
Now if voters would vote tactically in a general election to oust ‘safe’ conservatives for a full government term - that would be a win. |
You're right about the protest vote element, and Tiverton will be Conservative again by the next General Election but these are huge swings even by by-election standards. The Tory vote share went down in a lot of Southern seats in 2019 and despite Swinson's carcrash of a campaign and disappointing tally of seats, she created a load of newly-winnable marginals they can target next time. The Tories won't be able to play the Corbyn card to scare centre-right liberal voters into sticking with them and with more and more younger voters moving out of London and towards the commuter belt, they become less demographically favourable.
A 10% Conservative to Lib Dem swing in these target seats would see them take 25 blue constituencies.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:31 - Jun 24 with 885 views | Chrisd |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:18 - Jun 24 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not strictly true - the Tories lost it by fielding a useless candidate their own party didn’t have confidence in after the incumbent stepped down it total disgrace. Picking up a protest vote isn’t a win under those circumstances
Now if voters would vote tactically in a general election to oust ‘safe’ conservatives for a full government term - that would be a win. |
Tactical or not, what it does show is if the Tories stick with BJ going into the next GE they will get absolutely destroyed. | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:38 - Jun 24 with 864 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:15 - Jun 24 by Steve_M |
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahaha!
Johnson even turned up there this week so the Tories must have felt confident at one stage.
Anyone know what phase of saving 'Big Dog' we're in now? |
We are in the "being statesmanlike in Rwanda" phase, which is utter desperation. It would do us a favour if he stayed there. | | | |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 09:00 - Jun 24 with 807 views | Guthrum |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 07:20 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I think probably the "keep Starmer at all costs" stage. 49% of a 39% turn out. Now that is inspirational right there. |
That's not an abnormally low turnout for a by-election - and Wakefield has not returned particularly high percentages in GEs (by normal standards) for a decade or so.
What it does mean is that Conservative voters from 2019 were not prepared to turn out in order to defend the seat. Which should alarm those in Central Office. | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 09:02 - Jun 24 with 798 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Perhaps you could reproduce that tweet for me on swing voters motification.
Do you remember those cold Tuesday night 1-0 victories under Mick....well it's a little like that. [Post edited 24 Jun 2022 9:04]
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 09:03 - Jun 24 with 794 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 08:09 - Jun 24 by dissboy2 |
just intelligent tactical voting |
....or not voting!! | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 14:17 - Jun 24 with 604 views | tractordownsouth |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 09:02 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Perhaps you could reproduce that tweet for me on swing voters motification.
Do you remember those cold Tuesday night 1-0 victories under Mick....well it's a little like that. [Post edited 24 Jun 2022 9:04]
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A 13% swing is decent. Obviously it won’t be replicated in a GE but just something half that size is a good enough to take back the seat with a healthy margin. Given the scale of the defeat he inherited (only 200 Labour MPs and 11% behind the Tories in the popular vote), the fact Starmer is considered not good enough because he isn’t on course for a majority is strange. By any metric, even being able to form a minority government or coalition within that time frame would be impressive. For context, David Cameron inherited a party with 200 MPs in 2005 and only 3% behind in the popular vote but even with the global financial crisis, he could only manage a coalition in 2010. Labour were so far behind in traditional marginals in 2019 that a majority would take 1997 levels of swing.
It’ll need to be a big conference this year setting out the policies ahead of the 2023 GE. A lot has been announced it just hasn’t been communicated very well. They seem to mention any new ideas for a couple of weeks and then drop them. But even so, not even Corbyn had a full manifesto out before the first election he fought, so it’s bizarre why Starmer has been criticised for not publishing all his policies since Summer 2020. | |
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| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 16:05 - Jun 24 with 530 views | HARRY10 |
| Lib Dems win Tiverton! on 14:17 - Jun 24 by tractordownsouth |
A 13% swing is decent. Obviously it won’t be replicated in a GE but just something half that size is a good enough to take back the seat with a healthy margin. Given the scale of the defeat he inherited (only 200 Labour MPs and 11% behind the Tories in the popular vote), the fact Starmer is considered not good enough because he isn’t on course for a majority is strange. By any metric, even being able to form a minority government or coalition within that time frame would be impressive. For context, David Cameron inherited a party with 200 MPs in 2005 and only 3% behind in the popular vote but even with the global financial crisis, he could only manage a coalition in 2010. Labour were so far behind in traditional marginals in 2019 that a majority would take 1997 levels of swing.
It’ll need to be a big conference this year setting out the policies ahead of the 2023 GE. A lot has been announced it just hasn’t been communicated very well. They seem to mention any new ideas for a couple of weeks and then drop them. But even so, not even Corbyn had a full manifesto out before the first election he fought, so it’s bizarre why Starmer has been criticised for not publishing all his policies since Summer 2020. |
As it stands the Tories would be almost wiped off the political map - not through swings, percentages etc
But by the almost unanimous thought, voters want the bloated billshtter gone, and will vote for whoever it takes. There has been no single act, as with the resigned MPs, but a continuous level of incompetence; and failure, at every level. What was known by many before is now known by all.
The bloater is a weak and spineless character, who because of that has given into the swivelled eyed too many times. They have tasted blood, and will not go back into the strait jackets from whence they came.
Can the 'new broom', once the current menagerie of incompetents have been swept away, mend enough to save things for the Tories. The slug has fcked up so much that it will take months if not years to fix. While all the time being aware not only did they stand by and do nothing, but many were openly complicit in the failings.
And there is the no small matter of the various investigations into his corrupt activities and whether they can all be dumped at the slugs door or whether they will be seen as yet more Tory corruption.
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