| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:37 - Jul 17 with 1071 views | jeera |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:26 - Jul 17 by gazzer1999 |
You are missing my point completely.
However government policy has allowed companies to import cheap labour to the detriment of training and ensure wages are pushed down I grant you that. I guess that really depressed you though. |
Government policy.
So nothing to do with EU membership then.
Literally nothing stopping a UK government bringing in schemes to train people. |  |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:39 - Jul 17 with 1050 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:20 - Jul 17 by ZXBlue |
This is ridiculous.
Nothing about brexit allows young people better training. That is entirely down to government investment and policy, which is shyte. |
You are conveniently missing the point being made. If, for whatever reason, you restrict the flow of a particular skill set you need to train up whatever is available.
Our problem of course is that regardless of the level of skill needed the total workforce available is not sufficient to meet demand, Train people who just clear tables, in a pub, so they are able to pull a pint leaves you will an unfilled vacancy for someone to clear tables. |  |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:42 - Jul 17 with 1044 views | gazzer1999 |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:35 - Jul 17 by EddyJ |
Brexit was a gesture of discontent against neo-liberal globalism, of which the EU is a major proponent (as were the Blair and Cameron governments and likely the Sunak/Mordaunt/Starmer governments too).
The working people of Britain have seen themselves get poorer relative to the rich, with house prices beyond the reach of most young working families. Wages have stagnated and the standard of public services has declined.
Our politicians have put short-termist growth ahead of social mobility, long term wealth creation and the environment. Selling off council houses, selling our gold reserves, privatising our national infrastructure and reducing the wages paid to public servants have all been disastrous for us as a country. Low-skilled immigration has been used to deliver growth when we should have focused on automation, innovation and increased productivity.
The EU, while not being directly to blame for any of the above, is still a symbol of neo-liberal globalisation. A large amount of the low-skilled immigration is due to EU freedom of movement. Removal of trade barriers has made many of our domestic industries unprofitable, so we have been pigeon-holed into focusing our economy around financial services.
Other than Corbyn (who was un-electable due to his views on the middle east) and Boris (who should have been un-electable due to his being a self-serving w@nker), we have not had a serious alternative to neo-liberal politics. The EU referendum was the first real chance the electorate had to reject neo-liberalism and we did. Possibly at great expense to ourselves.
Yet, other than the Conservatives' brief flirtation with populism, we are still in a position where both major parties (and the Lib Dems) have built their entire manifestos around neo-liberalism. The gap between poor and rich is still growing. Something has to give in British politics. Someone has to realise that Brexit wasn't a rejection of the EU. It was a rejection of the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 13:43]
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I think you are correct in most of what you have said, political parties are ALL populists. |  | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:46 - Jul 17 with 1034 views | gazzer1999 |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:37 - Jul 17 by jeera |
Government policy.
So nothing to do with EU membership then.
Literally nothing stopping a UK government bringing in schemes to train people. |
They already do have schemes such as apprenticeships staying in education until you are 18, but if training does not lead to jobs because we can get cheap labour its pointless. | | | |
| [Redacted] on 13:55 - Jul 17 with 1022 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:35 - Jul 17 by EddyJ |
Brexit was a gesture of discontent against neo-liberal globalism, of which the EU is a major proponent (as were the Blair and Cameron governments and likely the Sunak/Mordaunt/Starmer governments too).
The working people of Britain have seen themselves get poorer relative to the rich, with house prices beyond the reach of most young working families. Wages have stagnated and the standard of public services has declined.
Our politicians have put short-termist growth ahead of social mobility, long term wealth creation and the environment. Selling off council houses, selling our gold reserves, privatising our national infrastructure and reducing the wages paid to public servants have all been disastrous for us as a country. Low-skilled immigration has been used to deliver growth when we should have focused on automation, innovation and increased productivity.
The EU, while not being directly to blame for any of the above, is still a symbol of neo-liberal globalisation. A large amount of the low-skilled immigration is due to EU freedom of movement. Removal of trade barriers has made many of our domestic industries unprofitable, so we have been pigeon-holed into focusing our economy around financial services.
Other than Corbyn (who was un-electable due to his views on the middle east) and Boris (who should have been un-electable due to his being a self-serving w@nker), we have not had a serious alternative to neo-liberal politics. The EU referendum was the first real chance the electorate had to reject neo-liberalism and we did. Possibly at great expense to ourselves.
Yet, other than the Conservatives' brief flirtation with populism, we are still in a position where both major parties (and the Lib Dems) have built their entire manifestos around neo-liberalism. The gap between poor and rich is still growing. Something has to give in British politics. Someone has to realise that Brexit wasn't a rejection of the EU. It was a rejection of the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 13:43]
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:58 - Jul 17 with 1000 views | MattinLondon |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:36 - Jul 17 by gazzer1999 |
We did before and we can again, what you appear to want is cheap foreign labour. We currently have around 5 million people inactive in this country, can some of them do seasonal work?
We have left the EU whether we like it or not, what's wrong with uniting and actually trying for once, hell even Starmer won't rejoin. |
Why should people who voted to remain unify behind Brexit ideology? |  | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:02 - Jul 17 with 995 views | gazzer1999 |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:58 - Jul 17 by MattinLondon |
Why should people who voted to remain unify behind Brexit ideology? |
Then carry on wasting your life whinging on here then because we ain't going back in anytime soon Labour or Conservatives. | | | |
| [Redacted] on 14:02 - Jul 17 with 994 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:39 - Jul 17 by Pinewoodblue |
You are conveniently missing the point being made. If, for whatever reason, you restrict the flow of a particular skill set you need to train up whatever is available.
Our problem of course is that regardless of the level of skill needed the total workforce available is not sufficient to meet demand, Train people who just clear tables, in a pub, so they are able to pull a pint leaves you will an unfilled vacancy for someone to clear tables. |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:04 - Jul 17 with 979 views | MattinLondon |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:02 - Jul 17 by gazzer1999 |
Then carry on wasting your life whinging on here then because we ain't going back in anytime soon Labour or Conservatives. |
Considering the Eurosceptics were always complaining about Europe since the day the country joined - yep, I will whinge about it. | | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:16 - Jul 17 with 950 views | gazzer1999 |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:04 - Jul 17 by MattinLondon |
Considering the Eurosceptics were always complaining about Europe since the day the country joined - yep, I will whinge about it. |
yeah I wonder how they would all have coped having a keyboard to hide behind. But I guess you are too young to remember all that whinging from 73. You carry on whinging I will live my life as its not a really long one when you think about it. | | | |
| [Redacted] on 14:22 - Jul 17 with 929 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:16 - Jul 17 by gazzer1999 |
yeah I wonder how they would all have coped having a keyboard to hide behind. But I guess you are too young to remember all that whinging from 73. You carry on whinging I will live my life as its not a really long one when you think about it. |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:24 - Jul 17 with 926 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I would suggest that their very strong flirt with T.T.I.P would suggest otherwise. Furthermore, and as recent events have highlighted, globalism makes economies less resilient to external shocks and is all about ever increasing GDP and cash in the pockets of fat corporatists. (See also recent Uber revelations for further evidence of the deregulated work environment our political leaders have in mind for us all.) |  |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:28 - Jul 17 with 912 views | gazzer1999 |
Hopefully getting more young people into meaningful skilled jobs is what I care about most. Covid kind of messed that up for 2 years, hopefully onwards and upwards. | | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:36 - Jul 17 with 903 views | BlueBadger |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:35 - Jul 17 by EddyJ |
Brexit was a gesture of discontent against neo-liberal globalism, of which the EU is a major proponent (as were the Blair and Cameron governments and likely the Sunak/Mordaunt/Starmer governments too).
The working people of Britain have seen themselves get poorer relative to the rich, with house prices beyond the reach of most young working families. Wages have stagnated and the standard of public services has declined.
Our politicians have put short-termist growth ahead of social mobility, long term wealth creation and the environment. Selling off council houses, selling our gold reserves, privatising our national infrastructure and reducing the wages paid to public servants have all been disastrous for us as a country. Low-skilled immigration has been used to deliver growth when we should have focused on automation, innovation and increased productivity.
The EU, while not being directly to blame for any of the above, is still a symbol of neo-liberal globalisation. A large amount of the low-skilled immigration is due to EU freedom of movement. Removal of trade barriers has made many of our domestic industries unprofitable, so we have been pigeon-holed into focusing our economy around financial services.
Other than Corbyn (who was un-electable due to his views on the middle east) and Boris (who should have been un-electable due to his being a self-serving w@nker), we have not had a serious alternative to neo-liberal politics. The EU referendum was the first real chance the electorate had to reject neo-liberalism and we did. Possibly at great expense to ourselves.
Yet, other than the Conservatives' brief flirtation with populism, we are still in a position where both major parties (and the Lib Dems) have built their entire manifestos around neo-liberalism. The gap between poor and rich is still growing. Something has to give in British politics. Someone has to realise that Brexit wasn't a rejection of the EU. It was a rejection of the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 13:43]
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Ah yes. Those great socialist internationalists Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Rupert Murdoch, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 14:40]
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| [Redacted] on 14:38 - Jul 17 with 895 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:24 - Jul 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I would suggest that their very strong flirt with T.T.I.P would suggest otherwise. Furthermore, and as recent events have highlighted, globalism makes economies less resilient to external shocks and is all about ever increasing GDP and cash in the pockets of fat corporatists. (See also recent Uber revelations for further evidence of the deregulated work environment our political leaders have in mind for us all.) |
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| [Redacted] on 14:41 - Jul 17 with 885 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 14:28 - Jul 17 by gazzer1999 |
Hopefully getting more young people into meaningful skilled jobs is what I care about most. Covid kind of messed that up for 2 years, hopefully onwards and upwards. |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 17:13 - Jul 17 with 811 views | gazzer1999 |
Just waiting for it to gell in the words of Cookie last year😜 | | | |
| [Redacted] on 17:51 - Jul 17 with 773 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 17:13 - Jul 17 by gazzer1999 |
Just waiting for it to gell in the words of Cookie last year😜 |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 17:54 - Jul 17 with 764 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 13:35 - Jul 17 by EddyJ |
Brexit was a gesture of discontent against neo-liberal globalism, of which the EU is a major proponent (as were the Blair and Cameron governments and likely the Sunak/Mordaunt/Starmer governments too).
The working people of Britain have seen themselves get poorer relative to the rich, with house prices beyond the reach of most young working families. Wages have stagnated and the standard of public services has declined.
Our politicians have put short-termist growth ahead of social mobility, long term wealth creation and the environment. Selling off council houses, selling our gold reserves, privatising our national infrastructure and reducing the wages paid to public servants have all been disastrous for us as a country. Low-skilled immigration has been used to deliver growth when we should have focused on automation, innovation and increased productivity.
The EU, while not being directly to blame for any of the above, is still a symbol of neo-liberal globalisation. A large amount of the low-skilled immigration is due to EU freedom of movement. Removal of trade barriers has made many of our domestic industries unprofitable, so we have been pigeon-holed into focusing our economy around financial services.
Other than Corbyn (who was un-electable due to his views on the middle east) and Boris (who should have been un-electable due to his being a self-serving w@nker), we have not had a serious alternative to neo-liberal politics. The EU referendum was the first real chance the electorate had to reject neo-liberalism and we did. Possibly at great expense to ourselves.
Yet, other than the Conservatives' brief flirtation with populism, we are still in a position where both major parties (and the Lib Dems) have built their entire manifestos around neo-liberalism. The gap between poor and rich is still growing. Something has to give in British politics. Someone has to realise that Brexit wasn't a rejection of the EU. It was a rejection of the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 13:43]
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Voting in the current version of the Tories is a strange way of rejecting neoliberalism. We've never (in our lifetimes) had a Government that is as hell bent on pursuing neoliberal policies such as as little regulation as they can get away with, small state, austerity, etc.
Some of what you say about the EU is broadly true, but it seems to be the lesser of two evils to me. It's not and never has been as neoliberal as our current government. They have more socially and environmentally progressive policies that we have. Even the balance in the parliament is skewed in favour of liberal, socialist and green parties.
It's the inclusion of controls within their policy framework that's the heart of the problem for genuine free marketers. Although broadly centre right leaning economically, the EU was never neoliberal enough for our Tories. That's why Cameron took our Conservative MEPs out of the European People's Party and pulled together a consortium of free market, right wing nationalist populist parties to form the European Conservatives and Reformists. It was at that point our relationship with the EU was effectively doomed as we lost most of our respect by hanging out with nutters. (I was working with traditional Tories in the parliament at the time and they were horrified at the direction Cameron took). |  |
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| [Redacted] on 18:54 - Jul 17 with 711 views | victorywilhappen |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 17:54 - Jul 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Voting in the current version of the Tories is a strange way of rejecting neoliberalism. We've never (in our lifetimes) had a Government that is as hell bent on pursuing neoliberal policies such as as little regulation as they can get away with, small state, austerity, etc.
Some of what you say about the EU is broadly true, but it seems to be the lesser of two evils to me. It's not and never has been as neoliberal as our current government. They have more socially and environmentally progressive policies that we have. Even the balance in the parliament is skewed in favour of liberal, socialist and green parties.
It's the inclusion of controls within their policy framework that's the heart of the problem for genuine free marketers. Although broadly centre right leaning economically, the EU was never neoliberal enough for our Tories. That's why Cameron took our Conservative MEPs out of the European People's Party and pulled together a consortium of free market, right wing nationalist populist parties to form the European Conservatives and Reformists. It was at that point our relationship with the EU was effectively doomed as we lost most of our respect by hanging out with nutters. (I was working with traditional Tories in the parliament at the time and they were horrified at the direction Cameron took). |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 19:04 - Jul 17 with 694 views | ElephantintheRoom |
There are many EUrules which hinder money laundering which is why so many people in financial services voted for Brexit
There were seven EU laws that the UK objected to during their time as EU members One of those was a ban on tobacco advertising. |  |
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| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 19:55 - Jul 17 with 639 views | gazzer1999 |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 19:04 - Jul 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
There are many EUrules which hinder money laundering which is why so many people in financial services voted for Brexit
There were seven EU laws that the UK objected to during their time as EU members One of those was a ban on tobacco advertising. |
Strange lie by you there, looks like the Uk at the front of banning.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2002/dec/03/uk.advertising | | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 21:11 - Jul 17 with 611 views | ZXBlue |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 19:04 - Jul 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
There are many EUrules which hinder money laundering which is why so many people in financial services voted for Brexit
There were seven EU laws that the UK objected to during their time as EU members One of those was a ban on tobacco advertising. |
There are lots of uk rules about it too. | | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 23:59 - Jul 17 with 566 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 10:12 - Jul 17 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Probably only about 3 people who voted for Brexit could tell you which laws they didn't like, and make a well-reasoned argument for why they were a problem for us. |
Surely not that many |  | | |
| Which EU rules would you get rid of? on 01:09 - Jul 18 with 534 views | Eireannach_gorm |
First line of the article you posted
Britain yesterday opposed a new EU ban on tobacco advertising
so wher is the lie? |  | | |
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