| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight 19:42 - Jul 17 with 4424 views | gtsb1966 |
Painful. I'm a floating voter too. |  | | |  |
| [Redacted] on 06:20 - Jul 18 with 1401 views | victorywilhappen |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 20:29 - Jul 17 by GlasgowBlue |
In fairness, you're not a conservative voter and your posting history would suggest that you would prefer that we didn't have a Conservative government.
Absolutely nothing wrong with your position.
But it's a leadership contest to be the leader of the Conservative party and Prime Minister of a Conservative government. So it's fair to say that you will have a problem with what any Tory candidate stands for.
When you contrast the five that are left standing with the big beasts of the past who would contend the leadership, and even the candidates in contention three years ago, I think it shows have bankrupt of ideas and personalities the Tory party is.
I'm coming over to the view that Rishi Sunak is the best candidate of the five fir the job of Prime Minister. I like Tom Tugenhat and Penny Mordaunt, and if this was a contest for leader of the opposition then I would prefer either of those two ahead of Sunak.
But whoever wins becomes Prime Minister, and immediately has to make very important decisions with the economy and the situation in Ukraine. Sunak has the experience to do that PM and TT don't.
Truss and Badenoch are not my cup of tea. |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:09 - Jul 18 with 1355 views | ElephantintheRoom |
No - but why is it on tele?
This is a deeply divided political party, supported by a minority of Uk voters being given national media to reach an audience of 200,000
No such ‘advantage’ of sustained national advertising is being given to any other political party |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:15 - Jul 18 with 1344 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:09 - Jul 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
No - but why is it on tele?
This is a deeply divided political party, supported by a minority of Uk voters being given national media to reach an audience of 200,000
No such ‘advantage’ of sustained national advertising is being given to any other political party |
Because the winner will be our next Prime Minister for a minimum of 2 years and it’s important that they are tested and scrutinised publicity under pressure.
Like all programmes on TV, there is an on/off option.
As for an ‘advantage‘ the Tories are gaining from these televised debates? So far they seem to be an absolute gift for Labour. |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:24 - Jul 18 with 1338 views | Keno |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:15 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Because the winner will be our next Prime Minister for a minimum of 2 years and it’s important that they are tested and scrutinised publicity under pressure.
Like all programmes on TV, there is an on/off option.
As for an ‘advantage‘ the Tories are gaining from these televised debates? So far they seem to be an absolute gift for Labour. |
If only Labour seemed capable of taking advantage!! |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:27 - Jul 18 with 1318 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:24 - Jul 18 by Keno |
If only Labour seemed capable of taking advantage!! |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:34 - Jul 18 with 1311 views | Keno |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:27 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
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I know what the polls say but maybe its me but Starmer just doesnt inspire and confidence, but with the notable exception of Andy Burnham I'm not should who else they have | |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:04 - Jul 18 with 1258 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:34 - Jul 18 by Keno |
I know what the polls say but maybe its me but Starmer just doesnt inspire and confidence, but with the notable exception of Andy Burnham I'm not should who else they have |
When you are 11 points ahead in th polls then there is absolutely no need to do anything other than what you are doing.
The last thing he needs to do is a Manchester City signing Rodney Marsh or Newcastle signing Asprilla. Why fix what isn’t broken? | |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:09 - Jul 18 with 1267 views | BlueBadger |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:34 - Jul 18 by Keno |
I know what the polls say but maybe its me but Starmer just doesnt inspire and confidence, but with the notable exception of Andy Burnham I'm not should who else they have |
He's the UK equivalent of Biden - not very inspiring but still a massive upgrade on the other option. |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:16 - Jul 18 with 1254 views | JohnTy |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:09 - Jul 18 by BlueBadger |
He's the UK equivalent of Biden - not very inspiring but still a massive upgrade on the other option. |
The next General Election will probably see tactical voting similar to 1997. People have had enough, and the Tories are disunited and look clueless. |  | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:18 - Jul 18 with 1254 views | itfcjoe |
This leadership race is the biggest gift the Labour party could have ever asked for, it's bald men fighting over a comb.
Rishi is the only one not being intellectually dishonest with what he'd do - for the good of the country over the next 18 months or so he needs to win as the rest are just political pygmies who've no hope.
How Truss holds one of the great offices of state I'll never know - she can't even conduct a 1 minute closing statement without reading notes - it's utterly embarrassing. None of them have any policy either |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:29 - Jul 18 with 1234 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I would say i couldn't believe what I was watching... but i would be lying.
Not one of them had anything remotely important to say. Just spoke in platitudes and half truths.
Not one of those on stage should be anywhere near number 10.
God help us |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:45 - Jul 18 with 1211 views | BlueForYou |
In my view, if a governing party wants to change leader/prime minister, this should be followed by a General Election to allow the public to endorse the decision. Said the same when Gordon Brown became PM. Agree that our politics are in a dreadful state, a lot caused by having an inept opposition. Before you ask, I dont think I'm voting for any of them next time around. |  | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:54 - Jul 18 with 1195 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:45 - Jul 18 by BlueForYou |
In my view, if a governing party wants to change leader/prime minister, this should be followed by a General Election to allow the public to endorse the decision. Said the same when Gordon Brown became PM. Agree that our politics are in a dreadful state, a lot caused by having an inept opposition. Before you ask, I dont think I'm voting for any of them next time around. |
Although I have sympathy with your view, we dont elect Prime Ministers in a Presidential style election.
We elect constituency MP’s. The party with the most constituency MP’s form a government and whoever the party leader is becomes PM.
In the last 50 years only two Prime Ministers have both entered and exited number 10 as the result of a general election. Ted Heath (1970-74) and John Major (1992-97). In that time we’ve had Callaghan replace Wilson mid term, Major replace Thatcher, Brown replace Blair, May replace Cameron, Johnson replace May and now one of these specimens on display replacing Johnson.
Only Johnson has followed up with a general election quite soon after taking over a s PM. [Post edited 18 Jul 2022 10:21]
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:58 - Jul 18 with 1195 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:09 - Jul 18 by BlueBadger |
He's the UK equivalent of Biden - not very inspiring but still a massive upgrade on the other option. |
I'd say he's far, far better relative to Biden, but ultimately still pretty uninspiring. |  |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 09:06 - Jul 18 with 1185 views | BlueNomad |
This miserable crew have shown that they have absolutely no concern for this country. They are truly shocking - taking bites out of each other in the knowledge that in a few weeks they will all be calling for unity and duty.
Johnson's "leadership" has facilitated the type of personality politics they go for in the US. We even have the spectacle of seeing a candidate concentrating on "wokism" when we face enormous challenges. One of the big problems is that we have a population who are largely disinterested in politics but "like" the personality of party leaders.
I really do worry about the future of this country. |  | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 09:08 - Jul 18 with 1179 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 09:06 - Jul 18 by BlueNomad |
This miserable crew have shown that they have absolutely no concern for this country. They are truly shocking - taking bites out of each other in the knowledge that in a few weeks they will all be calling for unity and duty.
Johnson's "leadership" has facilitated the type of personality politics they go for in the US. We even have the spectacle of seeing a candidate concentrating on "wokism" when we face enormous challenges. One of the big problems is that we have a population who are largely disinterested in politics but "like" the personality of party leaders.
I really do worry about the future of this country. |
This. Johnson actively sought that style of populism and coveted advice from Bannon et al when writing his Telegraph columns.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/22/boris-johnson-steve-bannon-text | |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 09:38 - Jul 18 with 1138 views | ElephantintheRoom |
They’re all floaters
Though Badenough is perhaps the most deranged and dangerous | |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 11:38 - Jul 18 with 1075 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 07:15 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Because the winner will be our next Prime Minister for a minimum of 2 years and it’s important that they are tested and scrutinised publicity under pressure.
Like all programmes on TV, there is an on/off option.
As for an ‘advantage‘ the Tories are gaining from these televised debates? So far they seem to be an absolute gift for Labour. |
But these aren't tests, and they're not really being scrutinised or put under pressure. They're not setting out their legislative agendas, they're just playing to the crowd (those who can get them elected as leader), which makes the fact that *we* are the potential audience completely ridiculous.
The notion that in this situation we deserve some kind of public airing of their campaigns, but we don't get a say via a GE, is a weird non-compromise.
I haven't watched them and won't watch them. | |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 11:45 - Jul 18 with 1046 views | unbelievablue |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:18 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
This leadership race is the biggest gift the Labour party could have ever asked for, it's bald men fighting over a comb.
Rishi is the only one not being intellectually dishonest with what he'd do - for the good of the country over the next 18 months or so he needs to win as the rest are just political pygmies who've no hope.
How Truss holds one of the great offices of state I'll never know - she can't even conduct a 1 minute closing statement without reading notes - it's utterly embarrassing. None of them have any policy either |
And to think some people thought Boris staying in power was better for Labour than a replacement. | |
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| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 12:19 - Jul 18 with 1009 views | ronnyd |
Can't see the sense of these debates, apart from exposing the rifts in the Tory party. They are aimed at a tiny proportion of the population, Tory MPs and then party members.
They are ok for GEs but for a party leadership? no. | | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 12:22 - Jul 18 with 995 views | mylittletown |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 12:19 - Jul 18 by ronnyd |
Can't see the sense of these debates, apart from exposing the rifts in the Tory party. They are aimed at a tiny proportion of the population, Tory MPs and then party members.
They are ok for GEs but for a party leadership? no. |
It has shown the nation just how bereft of talent, decency and honesty the Tories have become, so it has served a purpose. |  | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 12:28 - Jul 18 with 976 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
I watched it. It was a terrible format, everything was rushed, and no pressure exerted whatsoever, other than that implicit in speaking live on TV.
Only one interesting point. Sunak seemed absolutely delighted with the way that Liz Truss reasonably competently answered the question he put to her about Brexit. Almost like she did know it was coming and he was setting her up to succeed, so that she can get through rather than Mordaunt.
Sunak was the only one who came across as vaguely sensible or capable. He is, of course, guilty by association with Johnson, and, under Cabinet collective responsibility, is accountable for a whole raft of dangerous and damaging legislation. But, given that there isn't going to be a General Election and one of them is going to be PM for the next two years, I would take him ahead of the Harder Right ideologues. | | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 12:33 - Jul 18 with 954 views | mrshallisfit |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 21:05 - Jul 17 by Keno |
back wasnt Tom Tugenhat been in the Army and wasn't Penny Mordaunt a highly decorated admiral who fought in the Navy in Falklands, the Artic Convoys. Jutland, Trafalgar and defeated the Spanish Armada? |
I prefer the first two albums of the Artic Convoys. | | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 13:53 - Jul 18 with 870 views | SmithersJones |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:54 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Although I have sympathy with your view, we dont elect Prime Ministers in a Presidential style election.
We elect constituency MP’s. The party with the most constituency MP’s form a government and whoever the party leader is becomes PM.
In the last 50 years only two Prime Ministers have both entered and exited number 10 as the result of a general election. Ted Heath (1970-74) and John Major (1992-97). In that time we’ve had Callaghan replace Wilson mid term, Major replace Thatcher, Brown replace Blair, May replace Cameron, Johnson replace May and now one of these specimens on display replacing Johnson.
Only Johnson has followed up with a general election quite soon after taking over a s PM. [Post edited 18 Jul 2022 10:21]
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I think it's just Heath who did that - Major entered no 10 via a takeover, as you say. What I also find interesting is that, apart from Cameron, none of them won a second general election or even got close to it. I think it was only Major who even got to fight a second one and he got heavily defeated. | | | |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 15:18 - Jul 18 with 813 views | BlueBadger |
| Anyone watching the Tory debate tonight on 08:58 - Jul 18 by unbelievablue |
I'd say he's far, far better relative to Biden, but ultimately still pretty uninspiring. |
Arguably, Johnson is 'better' than Trump, but then you're getting into a 'which foot is it better to tread in dog sh1t' or a 'Keane Vs Hurst Vs Lambert' debate. | |
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