| Definitely against Hirst now 12:45 - Aug 16 with 4077 views | pointofblue |
We’re already giving game time to a Premier League youngster who we’ll send back on the summer; if we can’t sign Hirst permanently I hope we move on to other, permanent, targets. It’s nice only having one loanee in the squad. |  |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 14:59 - Aug 16 with 1048 views | BlueBadger |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 14:30 - Aug 16 by ibbleobble |
There’s still question marks over McKenna’s ability in the transfer market though. Last season’s additions were mediocre if not below average and it’s a little too early to tell on this season’s influx. |
Christ alive. You must have been GUTTED at 5 Saturday afternoon. |  |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 15:14 - Aug 16 with 1005 views | PioneerBlue |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 13:24 - Aug 16 by ibbleobble |
It’s becoming a really boring protracted saga for a player who commands no hype or excitement. Is anyone really that interested in this signing which, by all accounts, is becoming increasingly expensive. Chasing business like this feels very at odds with how signings over the last 12 - 14 months have been bar Celina. We even gave up on Bradley when he signed a new contract so why chase Hirst? |
I completely agree. If this happens there may be a story to tell which will sound better but it has all the right football rationale but looks increasingly likely the cultural fit will not be there for ITFC between him and his advisors. With a squad we are building culture is a key part of the footballer profile, if any amount of this is about him and his Agent playing for the best deal we question his football decision making because on paper his preseason prep has been very poor for a top rated talent. | |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 15:51 - Aug 16 with 954 views | berkstractorboy |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 14:30 - Aug 16 by ibbleobble |
There’s still question marks over McKenna’s ability in the transfer market though. Last season’s additions were mediocre if not below average and it’s a little too early to tell on this season’s influx. |
Who did McKenna bring in then you have question marks over?
Bakinson (loan) - did OK got better over time
Thompson (loan) - probably didn't go so well
Who else arrived in Jan? How the hell you can judge him based on that I don't know. I think Harness, David and Ladapo all showed McKenna seems to have a good idea | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:01 - Aug 16 with 899 views | Coastalblue |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 14:19 - Aug 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's just silly to suggest Cook signed 20 random players. He signed players we needed, very good players some of them who are still amongst our best now. |
Cook signed good players yes, but he should have been signing a team. Had he done so he might still be here. |  |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:11 - Aug 16 with 888 views | ibbleobble |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 15:51 - Aug 16 by berkstractorboy |
Who did McKenna bring in then you have question marks over?
Bakinson (loan) - did OK got better over time
Thompson (loan) - probably didn't go so well
Who else arrived in Jan? How the hell you can judge him based on that I don't know. I think Harness, David and Ladapo all showed McKenna seems to have a good idea |
You just answered your own question. Given how ineffective Thompson was going forward and how inconsistent Bakinson was, of course KM can and should be judged on that. I also acknowledged it’s too early for us to tell based on this season’s signings so there are still question marks. | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:14 - Aug 16 with 885 views | ibbleobble |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 14:59 - Aug 16 by BlueBadger |
Christ alive. You must have been GUTTED at 5 Saturday afternoon. |
Er…I said “too early to tell” and you’re citing one game. Nobody was overly happy with Thompson or Bakinson, I think that’s widely acknowledged too. | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:24 - Aug 16 with 857 views | berkstractorboy |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:11 - Aug 16 by ibbleobble |
You just answered your own question. Given how ineffective Thompson was going forward and how inconsistent Bakinson was, of course KM can and should be judged on that. I also acknowledged it’s too early for us to tell based on this season’s signings so there are still question marks. |
oh OK, I think I will defer judgement thanks no way am I questioning KM over Jan transfer activities. I wonder after only being in the job days before the Jan transfer window and not knowing the players I do wonder what you expected him to do, another 10 players in that need to gel again. I am sure after the instability of the summer he was told to stabilise. He got in a couple he thought would be good both from higher leagues. Thompson came with a better reputation than his performances and guess what he is with a team in a league above now.
I think you should stop for a moment and consider how fortunate we are with KM. | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:34 - Aug 16 with 836 views | ibbleobble |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:24 - Aug 16 by berkstractorboy |
oh OK, I think I will defer judgement thanks no way am I questioning KM over Jan transfer activities. I wonder after only being in the job days before the Jan transfer window and not knowing the players I do wonder what you expected him to do, another 10 players in that need to gel again. I am sure after the instability of the summer he was told to stabilise. He got in a couple he thought would be good both from higher leagues. Thompson came with a better reputation than his performances and guess what he is with a team in a league above now.
I think you should stop for a moment and consider how fortunate we are with KM. |
It’s OK to have an objective view point and reserve judgement. You don’t have to be for or against in every post you write. You’ll do well to learn that on here. It may make for better reading and less argument too. | | | |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:53 - Aug 16 with 806 views | PhilTWTD |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 13:58 - Aug 16 by ElderGrizzly |
I can't believe at 23 he is likely to break through at Leicester, so I assume it will be down to his ambition and wanting to play every week with a permanent club, not a continual loanee. |
I don't either. I think the offer of a contract is probably a bargaining move to try to give the impression they want to keep him. Really wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't get signed and he moves on. Am thinking it's looking less likely that it would be us now though. |  | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:01 - Aug 16 with 794 views | berkstractorboy |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 17:34 - Aug 16 by ibbleobble |
It’s OK to have an objective view point and reserve judgement. You don’t have to be for or against in every post you write. You’ll do well to learn that on here. It may make for better reading and less argument too. |
Absolutely and my view point is its way too early to be able to question KM in the transfer market. Not trying to argue that's my opinion. It just seems as a fanbase we are collectively looking for the negatives rather than enjoying we have a great manager who may have weaknesses which is why he is L1 learning his trade.
I am glad you think your posts are a good read though. | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:15 - Aug 16 with 776 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 14:39 - Aug 16 by BlueBadger |
He scored 15 in 46 games for Portsmouth last season. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 14:40]
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Hirst
Starts: 27
Subs: 13
Mins: 2425
Goals: 13
Assists: 4
Goals projected over a season: 22.19
Goals+assists projected over a season: 29.02 |  |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:22 - Aug 16 with 771 views | jayessess |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:15 - Aug 16 by Kropotkin123 |
Hirst
Starts: 27
Subs: 13
Mins: 2425
Goals: 13
Assists: 4
Goals projected over a season: 22.19
Goals+assists projected over a season: 29.02 |
It's mainly the 11 in his last 15 starts that has everyone interested really.
They're all hoping that he's suddenly stepped it up and hit another level, as young players sometimes do. |  |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:25 - Aug 16 with 758 views | Skip_Intro |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:15 - Aug 16 by Kropotkin123 |
Hirst
Starts: 27
Subs: 13
Mins: 2425
Goals: 13
Assists: 4
Goals projected over a season: 22.19
Goals+assists projected over a season: 29.02 |
not dissimilar to Bonne tbh:
Starts: 28
Subs: 15
Mins: 2755
Goals: 12
Assists: 3
Just saying...plus Bonne had some horrible off field issues |  | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:28 - Aug 16 with 749 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:15 - Aug 16 by Kropotkin123 |
Hirst
Starts: 27
Subs: 13
Mins: 2425
Goals: 13
Assists: 4
Goals projected over a season: 22.19
Goals+assists projected over a season: 29.02 |
The year before , while on loan at Rotherham, he only started a handful of games being used mainly from the bench and didn’t score any goals. |  |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:34 - Aug 16 with 735 views | jayessess |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:25 - Aug 16 by Skip_Intro |
not dissimilar to Bonne tbh:
Starts: 28
Subs: 15
Mins: 2755
Goals: 12
Assists: 3
Just saying...plus Bonne had some horrible off field issues |
Equally, doing it for the first time aged 22/23 when you're a former England U20 star, probably hits a little different for recruitment teams than doing it at 25/26 in your 9th season of men's football. | |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:42 - Aug 16 with 723 views | Skip_Intro |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:34 - Aug 16 by jayessess |
Equally, doing it for the first time aged 22/23 when you're a former England U20 star, probably hits a little different for recruitment teams than doing it at 25/26 in your 9th season of men's football. |
you can cut it any way you want...just thought the stats were interesting... | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:43 - Aug 16 with 720 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:28 - Aug 16 by Pinewoodblue |
The year before , while on loan at Rotherham, he only started a handful of games being used mainly from the bench and didn’t score any goals. |
That's common as younger players start out their careers | |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:59 - Aug 16 with 700 views | ibbleobble |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:01 - Aug 16 by berkstractorboy |
Absolutely and my view point is its way too early to be able to question KM in the transfer market. Not trying to argue that's my opinion. It just seems as a fanbase we are collectively looking for the negatives rather than enjoying we have a great manager who may have weaknesses which is why he is L1 learning his trade.
I am glad you think your posts are a good read though. |
We don’t have a “great” manager though. We have a promising manager who has made a good start to his managerial career. Here in lies the difference in our rhetoric. | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:00 - Aug 16 with 698 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 18:25 - Aug 16 by Skip_Intro |
not dissimilar to Bonne tbh:
Starts: 28
Subs: 15
Mins: 2755
Goals: 12
Assists: 3
Just saying...plus Bonne had some horrible off field issues |
I'm not against Bonne joining, and put his stats in another thread. I just want people to be aware of player stats when quoting them and 15 in 46 didn't seem accurate to me.
Bonne's were 18.03 and 22.53 respectively. | |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:01 - Aug 16 with 690 views | Skip_Intro |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:00 - Aug 16 by Kropotkin123 |
I'm not against Bonne joining, and put his stats in another thread. I just want people to be aware of player stats when quoting them and 15 in 46 didn't seem accurate to me.
Bonne's were 18.03 and 22.53 respectively. |
are the predicted goals based on xg? | | | |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:08 - Aug 16 with 676 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:01 - Aug 16 by Skip_Intro |
are the predicted goals based on xg? |
No, I'm just taking the goals and assists over the minutes they play and standardising that over a season, if they were to play 90mins over a 46 games.
If someone links the xA and xG from last season, I can do that and post them here or send you a DM. | |
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| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:09 - Aug 16 with 671 views | Skip_Intro |
| Definitely against Hirst now on 19:08 - Aug 16 by Kropotkin123 |
No, I'm just taking the goals and assists over the minutes they play and standardising that over a season, if they were to play 90mins over a 46 games.
If someone links the xA and xG from last season, I can do that and post them here or send you a DM. |
thanks for the stats and explanation - no need to do any more work on my account - personally I'd like to see Hirst here but only for the right price - he has a higher ceiling than Bonne for sure | | | |
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