| Rejoining the EU 17:26 - Oct 16 with 8851 views | Churchman |
For the first time, I have noticed somebody has written the words that dare not be spoken
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/16/heres-my-plan-for-growth-liz-tr
For a boost to the economy, growth and all that stuff it’s an obvious thing to do. It’s six years since the farcical vote - the same length of time as WW2. Surely it’s time to say the experiment has failed and we need to move on.
So what’s to lose given Brixit has not offered one single benefit and is unlikely to do so? Pride? An election? Pride doesn’t pay mortgages or put food on the table. Winning an election is something the tories won’t be doing for a generation.
I hope it’s something Starmer is considering. It’s a logical thing to do. |  | | |  |
| Rejoining the EU on 12:42 - Oct 18 with 884 views | itfcjoe |
Only looked at first link but they agree with me:
Basically high earners and higher educated see their wages increase, and the opposite for low earners |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 13:17 - Oct 18 with 850 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:33 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Have you never been to Aldeburgh or Stoke Newington for that matter! |
Jeremy Thorpe used to live on the edge of Thorpe Ness. Last house before Aldeburgh |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:47 - Oct 18 with 775 views | bungaytractor |
| Rejoining the EU on 09:13 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
I don't think it is, it may not be the right term, but people know what it means.
People on here, who can work from home, and get good sick pay, or 6 months shared parental leave, earning good money in stable jobs, that can look at journals as to why immigration is a good thing over the whole of the country, that can moan about the Govt and its effects but not really suffer the consequences of them in real meaningful ways unless totally disastrous, who worry that our children won't be able to work in the EU when it's not even a pipe dream for others.
This country is splitting like the USA where the gap between the haves and the have nots is a chasm |
You included?
You were privately educated and still ended up working for your dad lmao
Hardly a man of the people | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 20:56 - Oct 18 with 741 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:17 - Oct 17 by gazzer1999 |
Remember who said education education education? and saddled young people with worthless degree's and massive student loans, a man called Tony BLIAR.
As my previous response to you regarding ERASMUS it only benefitted the middle and higher classes, I stand for ALL young people regardless of background.
Harry loosen up and enjoy life instead of being stuck behind a keyboard moaning every day. You will get your chance soon to promote how the next labour government run the country. Just hope its not like the USA who thought getting rid of Trump and the world would be all rosy again, didn't bargain for sleepy Joe did they? |
Good grief. Why are you so frightened of people being educated? What a ridiculous attitude. We could scrap school altogether by that logic - get those kids up the chimneys (that no longer exist lol).
Education is never a waste. The main block facing people from poorer families is the high fee for higher education. I went through to PhD on a grants, my Mrs did and is now a Prof. There’s nothing inevitable that stops able kids reaching their potential other than pressures they may have to support their family in some way or prohibitive fees. Neither used to be a block. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 21:22 - Oct 18 with 719 views | jeera |
| Rejoining the EU on 20:56 - Oct 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Good grief. Why are you so frightened of people being educated? What a ridiculous attitude. We could scrap school altogether by that logic - get those kids up the chimneys (that no longer exist lol).
Education is never a waste. The main block facing people from poorer families is the high fee for higher education. I went through to PhD on a grants, my Mrs did and is now a Prof. There’s nothing inevitable that stops able kids reaching their potential other than pressures they may have to support their family in some way or prohibitive fees. Neither used to be a block. |
You are trying to reason with the unreasonable.
That a scheme such as ERASMUS isn't attracting a fair share of people from all backgrounds isn't the fault of the scheme, but of how society is structured. The answer isn't to get rid of such schemes, it is to find ways to encourage more people from different backgrounds into educational opportunities.
I want equality for all which somehow makes me a bigot.
Work that fecker out. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 21:26 - Oct 18 with 714 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 21:22 - Oct 18 by jeera |
You are trying to reason with the unreasonable.
That a scheme such as ERASMUS isn't attracting a fair share of people from all backgrounds isn't the fault of the scheme, but of how society is structured. The answer isn't to get rid of such schemes, it is to find ways to encourage more people from different backgrounds into educational opportunities.
I want equality for all which somehow makes me a bigot.
Work that fecker out. |
I'm the Liberal Elite and secretly control the country. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 00:18 - Oct 19 with 669 views | HARRY10 |
i don't think there was ever a time in recent history where so much effort has been put in to keeping uneducated folk, misinformed(as this forum all too readily shows)
As with the sheep on Animal Farm the slogans are there, bleated out on a daily basis - woke, liberal elite, globalists. Meaningless gibberish intended to provide a ready answer for their plight. You are not poor because you are exploited by the wealthy. You are poor because the NHS, teachers, doctors social workers, unions etc are all part of some conspiracy to do you down. Make you weak by getting you better wages, better housing and healthcare.
Children are not being taught the glorious history of Britain (missing out on such uncomfortable stuff as the Amritsar Massacre), but are being taught hew to think.....booo
Perhaps they might aspire to something higher than manual work (a trade).I wonder though if the Tories in their convenient purge on benefits (its inflation innit, guv) might care to look at stopping the subsidy on private education. Eton, Harrow etc are NOT charities so should not be exempt from paying tax.
Aha, say the cap doffers, but thems is saving the government money. Which were that to be correct it would mean that childless adults/couples should also be afforded tax free status.
Just down the road is Felixstowe docks. The land on which it is built is owned by Trinity College, Cambs, who are worth £1.4billion. Trinity has an annual income running into hundreds of millions, very little of which is used to provide bursaries.
However as with public schools the bursaries are a 'top up', rather like them paying 30% of your bill at Claridges.
These are the real elite. None of whom I suspect are 'liberal'. Odd how tolerance and free thinking has become a dirty word. Probably because they don't subscribe to lynchings, segregation and book burning.
We have seen how the mini budget sought to help the wealthy. Even wanting wealthy tourists to avoid VAT on luxury items. So I doubt if there will be any movement in that direction (education). More so when the likes of gazza (on here) wants state school pupils to know their [lace. That money should go to the wealthy first so they can employ those gazza speaks of.
He represents not those in poverty, but simple cap doffers like him who posses a poverty of thought, and ambition. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 07:51 - Oct 19 with 624 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 00:18 - Oct 19 by HARRY10 |
i don't think there was ever a time in recent history where so much effort has been put in to keeping uneducated folk, misinformed(as this forum all too readily shows)
As with the sheep on Animal Farm the slogans are there, bleated out on a daily basis - woke, liberal elite, globalists. Meaningless gibberish intended to provide a ready answer for their plight. You are not poor because you are exploited by the wealthy. You are poor because the NHS, teachers, doctors social workers, unions etc are all part of some conspiracy to do you down. Make you weak by getting you better wages, better housing and healthcare.
Children are not being taught the glorious history of Britain (missing out on such uncomfortable stuff as the Amritsar Massacre), but are being taught hew to think.....booo
Perhaps they might aspire to something higher than manual work (a trade).I wonder though if the Tories in their convenient purge on benefits (its inflation innit, guv) might care to look at stopping the subsidy on private education. Eton, Harrow etc are NOT charities so should not be exempt from paying tax.
Aha, say the cap doffers, but thems is saving the government money. Which were that to be correct it would mean that childless adults/couples should also be afforded tax free status.
Just down the road is Felixstowe docks. The land on which it is built is owned by Trinity College, Cambs, who are worth £1.4billion. Trinity has an annual income running into hundreds of millions, very little of which is used to provide bursaries.
However as with public schools the bursaries are a 'top up', rather like them paying 30% of your bill at Claridges.
These are the real elite. None of whom I suspect are 'liberal'. Odd how tolerance and free thinking has become a dirty word. Probably because they don't subscribe to lynchings, segregation and book burning.
We have seen how the mini budget sought to help the wealthy. Even wanting wealthy tourists to avoid VAT on luxury items. So I doubt if there will be any movement in that direction (education). More so when the likes of gazza (on here) wants state school pupils to know their [lace. That money should go to the wealthy first so they can employ those gazza speaks of.
He represents not those in poverty, but simple cap doffers like him who posses a poverty of thought, and ambition. |
"i don't think there was ever a time in recent history where so much effort has been put in to keeping uneducated folk, misinformed(as this forum all too readily shows) "
I assume you looked in the mirror whilst writing that statement?
How many people do your 'charities' employ? are you saying they pay no N.I. on the wages?.
Total lies that I want young people to know their place. I want them to aspire as high as they can go and not be consigned to the workplace wasteland. I speak as someone that has spent all my working life in manufacturing/construction so obviously I 'know my place' (however I can still spell place) proof read your garbage before you post it Harry. Not all young people want to go to uni and they like me wanted to learn a trade get a job, everyone is important whatever they do. I want our young people to have opportunities to do what I was able to do, something which successive governments have tried to do but failed miserably at. Hopefully when that nice Mr Starmer gets in no 10 he will remember our young population and make a difference for them, time will tell.
As I have no idea who "gazza' is (was he once a footballer) I can't comment if he is a cap doffer.
Loosen up Harry and enjoy life, watch some tv, go for a walk, have a beer, enjoy time with your loved ones just don't be so angry about everything, you will soon find venting your anger on a football site forum will have no effect on life just make you more angry. Really is the last interaction with you as I will no longer see anymore of your posts. |  | | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 08:06 - Oct 19 with 616 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 20:56 - Oct 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Good grief. Why are you so frightened of people being educated? What a ridiculous attitude. We could scrap school altogether by that logic - get those kids up the chimneys (that no longer exist lol).
Education is never a waste. The main block facing people from poorer families is the high fee for higher education. I went through to PhD on a grants, my Mrs did and is now a Prof. There’s nothing inevitable that stops able kids reaching their potential other than pressures they may have to support their family in some way or prohibitive fees. Neither used to be a block. |
Education is never a waste I totally agree, I never insinuated anything what you accuse me of. There is no block on anyone going to uni even the fees they pay as it will be a student loan (I know because I have one) Not everyone needs to go to uni, in construction there is a massive shortage of skilled people and the wages now, I could only dream of when I was younger £250.00+ a day in some cases. They just need big companies to give them the opportunity, which is why I constantly contact companies on their behalf to see if there is any openings for them. We really will face a problem when the ageing crafts and trades people retire and not have people to replace them. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 09:28 - Oct 19 with 602 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 08:06 - Oct 19 by gazzer1999 |
Education is never a waste I totally agree, I never insinuated anything what you accuse me of. There is no block on anyone going to uni even the fees they pay as it will be a student loan (I know because I have one) Not everyone needs to go to uni, in construction there is a massive shortage of skilled people and the wages now, I could only dream of when I was younger £250.00+ a day in some cases. They just need big companies to give them the opportunity, which is why I constantly contact companies on their behalf to see if there is any openings for them. We really will face a problem when the ageing crafts and trades people retire and not have people to replace them. |
I used to work in pensions, when I started at 20 I was earning £12k a year with no real qualification - 5-6 years later when earning more than double that at the same firm I was interviewing people who had been to UEA, Southampton, Brighton, and in a couple of cases even Cambridge, who all had Firsts or 2:1s in subjects like Computer Science, maths, Business, Economics and their salary expectations were £12k. These were people who were presumably on new loans with £50k of debt and the like - it's sad really that for those who wanted to stay and work in Ipswich opposed to go to a big city that there just weren't the jobs.
I then left to go and work in the family business, and I'm surrounded by tradesmen, mostly earning good money, in some cases earning serious money - most who have been able to buy a property and use their own skills and contacts and bartering with their skills vs mates skills (I'll service your boiler and fit your bathroom if you lay my patio) to get one done up and sell it, and do the same again.
I recently did an apprenticeship degree and my dissertation was on the skills gap in the construction industry, Brexit and the like - and the past Govts, the CITB, big construction firms and the like should hang their head in shame at the level of people going into what is a thriving industry where there is huge opportunities.
Governments and local councils should stop selling land to big housebuilders, and start building them themselves, training people to do so and have it's own housebuilding wing - of course people will leave the public sector and go and work privately to earn more money but what is the issue in that? They could be earning serious money whilst training people and upskilling the countries work force and protecting industry. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 11:58 - Oct 19 with 553 views | StokieBlue |
| Rejoining the EU on 09:13 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
I don't think it is, it may not be the right term, but people know what it means.
People on here, who can work from home, and get good sick pay, or 6 months shared parental leave, earning good money in stable jobs, that can look at journals as to why immigration is a good thing over the whole of the country, that can moan about the Govt and its effects but not really suffer the consequences of them in real meaningful ways unless totally disastrous, who worry that our children won't be able to work in the EU when it's not even a pipe dream for others.
This country is splitting like the USA where the gap between the haves and the have nots is a chasm |
You talk of widening gaps in the country but are then happy to use the term "liberal elite" which surely perpetuates said gap?
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| Rejoining the EU on 12:22 - Oct 19 with 509 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:58 - Oct 19 by StokieBlue |
You talk of widening gaps in the country but are then happy to use the term "liberal elite" which surely perpetuates said gap?
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If all there is to say about it is the use of a term then does it add to any debate? | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 17:39 - Oct 19 with 422 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 09:28 - Oct 19 by itfcjoe |
I used to work in pensions, when I started at 20 I was earning £12k a year with no real qualification - 5-6 years later when earning more than double that at the same firm I was interviewing people who had been to UEA, Southampton, Brighton, and in a couple of cases even Cambridge, who all had Firsts or 2:1s in subjects like Computer Science, maths, Business, Economics and their salary expectations were £12k. These were people who were presumably on new loans with £50k of debt and the like - it's sad really that for those who wanted to stay and work in Ipswich opposed to go to a big city that there just weren't the jobs.
I then left to go and work in the family business, and I'm surrounded by tradesmen, mostly earning good money, in some cases earning serious money - most who have been able to buy a property and use their own skills and contacts and bartering with their skills vs mates skills (I'll service your boiler and fit your bathroom if you lay my patio) to get one done up and sell it, and do the same again.
I recently did an apprenticeship degree and my dissertation was on the skills gap in the construction industry, Brexit and the like - and the past Govts, the CITB, big construction firms and the like should hang their head in shame at the level of people going into what is a thriving industry where there is huge opportunities.
Governments and local councils should stop selling land to big housebuilders, and start building them themselves, training people to do so and have it's own housebuilding wing - of course people will leave the public sector and go and work privately to earn more money but what is the issue in that? They could be earning serious money whilst training people and upskilling the countries work force and protecting industry. |
Joe did you know that Ipswich Borough Council do not even have a carpentry team to do maintenance on their own council houses? It is outsourced to Colchester council because they can do the work cheaper on the tender basis. If we all knew what is going on in all the corridors of power there would be uproar. I bet there is some dodgy deals done in backrooms all over the place. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:11 - Oct 19 with 397 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 07:51 - Oct 19 by gazzer1999 |
"i don't think there was ever a time in recent history where so much effort has been put in to keeping uneducated folk, misinformed(as this forum all too readily shows) "
I assume you looked in the mirror whilst writing that statement?
How many people do your 'charities' employ? are you saying they pay no N.I. on the wages?.
Total lies that I want young people to know their place. I want them to aspire as high as they can go and not be consigned to the workplace wasteland. I speak as someone that has spent all my working life in manufacturing/construction so obviously I 'know my place' (however I can still spell place) proof read your garbage before you post it Harry. Not all young people want to go to uni and they like me wanted to learn a trade get a job, everyone is important whatever they do. I want our young people to have opportunities to do what I was able to do, something which successive governments have tried to do but failed miserably at. Hopefully when that nice Mr Starmer gets in no 10 he will remember our young population and make a difference for them, time will tell.
As I have no idea who "gazza' is (was he once a footballer) I can't comment if he is a cap doffer.
Loosen up Harry and enjoy life, watch some tv, go for a walk, have a beer, enjoy time with your loved ones just don't be so angry about everything, you will soon find venting your anger on a football site forum will have no effect on life just make you more angry. Really is the last interaction with you as I will no longer see anymore of your posts. |
You really haven't a clue - preferring to post up more nonsense in answer to your own idiocy.
Ir was not about whether these (non) charities pay NI, but that they are not charities. Instead, businesses who use that unearned wealth to benefit the children of the real elite... thems our betters thems is
Your guff is little more than confused contradictory ramblings. And unable to back or refute, you fall back on the old rightie ploy of pretending you know what I do, and that because I routinely rip your child like bleats apart I must be angry.
A measure of the paucity of your argument. ..... master knows best.... baa baa" | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:26 - Oct 19 with 393 views | Rob88 |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:58 - Oct 19 by StokieBlue |
You talk of widening gaps in the country but are then happy to use the term "liberal elite" which surely perpetuates said gap?
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I think the bit that is true about the term “liberal elite” are those that don’t actually understand the problems and views of those they try to speak for. | | | |
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