| Rejoining the EU 17:26 - Oct 16 with 8847 views | Churchman |
For the first time, I have noticed somebody has written the words that dare not be spoken
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/16/heres-my-plan-for-growth-liz-tr
For a boost to the economy, growth and all that stuff it’s an obvious thing to do. It’s six years since the farcical vote - the same length of time as WW2. Surely it’s time to say the experiment has failed and we need to move on.
So what’s to lose given Brixit has not offered one single benefit and is unlikely to do so? Pride? An election? Pride doesn’t pay mortgages or put food on the table. Winning an election is something the tories won’t be doing for a generation.
I hope it’s something Starmer is considering. It’s a logical thing to do. |  | | |  |
| Rejoining the EU on 08:56 - Oct 17 with 770 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Shame about the pay wall but I agree with the first sentence at least! |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 09:17 - Oct 17 with 730 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Neo Liberalism....the markets, EU, Greece and a whole lot more...some light Monday morning reading.
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2018/10/01/is-neoliberalism-destroying-the-world-
"Deregulation. Infinite growth. Self-correcting markets. All are hallmarks of neoliberal thinking. But they’re more than just assumptions about the economy. They undergird much of the most influential thinking about governance right now, and dominate political and economic thinking everywhere. The results, according to some, have been disastrous. Investigative journalist Bruce Livesey asks four experts about the rise and rule of neoliberal thought, and what it may mean for societies around the world." | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 10:15 - Oct 17 with 719 views | blueasfook |
Would require another referendum. But given the complete hash the tories of made of things, I wouldnt be surprised if the public chose to rejoin the EU.
Would that really be addressing the problem of inept governance though? [Post edited 17 Oct 2022 10:16]
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| Rejoining the EU on 10:27 - Oct 17 with 688 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 06:21 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
That moment when you wake up to a string of random, shouty words....!!
The case for the EU being a neo Liberal project was the same then as it is now. Good to see that a real socialist such as yourself is so radically wedded to the status quo and GDP etc...etc....etc.... Here's waiting for all that wealth to trickle down to the lucky Germans.
So now your turn....explain the route to your (socialist??) utopia that the markets are going to approve of.
Edit....and your original point was about "living standards for ordinary people" not Germany's GDP so back that up too while you're at it.
[Post edited 17 Oct 2022 6:42]
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Swervy swervy.
Still, the Telegraph agrees with you. |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:30 - Oct 17 with 696 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:27 - Oct 17 by XYZ |
Swervy swervy.
Still, the Telegraph agrees with you. |
You have a subscription then? Can't read it myself.
Edit...you say swervy but trying to make sense of you is a very twisty road! [Post edited 17 Oct 2022 10:32]
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| Rejoining the EU on 10:45 - Oct 17 with 676 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:30 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You have a subscription then? Can't read it myself.
Edit...you say swervy but trying to make sense of you is a very twisty road! [Post edited 17 Oct 2022 10:32]
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No, but I trust Ulla who said that it did, or at least the journalist.
What I wrote is pretty straightforward. I say swervy because you are swervy - you understand that.
You continue to portray me as being "pro-markets" politically, which is highly disingenuous. I'm "pro-reality" and "pro-not killing poor and old people".
That's where this dull exchange started. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:47 - Oct 17 with 691 views | tractordownsouth |
I think rejoining the Single Market will happen in a 2nd term Labour government. I can see why, from Starmer's point of view he doesn't want to do it now because it will be a dividing line the Tories can use to hold onto their red wall seats, but once the Tories are out of office, I think it will be easier to do politically. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 10:58 - Oct 17 with 677 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:45 - Oct 17 by XYZ |
No, but I trust Ulla who said that it did, or at least the journalist.
What I wrote is pretty straightforward. I say swervy because you are swervy - you understand that.
You continue to portray me as being "pro-markets" politically, which is highly disingenuous. I'm "pro-reality" and "pro-not killing poor and old people".
That's where this dull exchange started. |
Is there any real difference between the Tory chairman saying people should get better jobs if they want more money, and a liberal elite living in thriving cities telling people that if they don't want their wages under cut by cheap foreign labour they should get a better job?
This is why brexit was never black or white, and whilst whether in or out of the EU, bad governance is going to make everything bad. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 11:01 - Oct 17 with 677 views | chicoazul |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:47 - Oct 17 by tractordownsouth |
I think rejoining the Single Market will happen in a 2nd term Labour government. I can see why, from Starmer's point of view he doesn't want to do it now because it will be a dividing line the Tories can use to hold onto their red wall seats, but once the Tories are out of office, I think it will be easier to do politically. |
Why can’t people just learn anything from the last 8 years? Why this constant Emma Kennedy AC Grayling esque “things will be different this time”? |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 11:05 - Oct 17 with 670 views | tractordownsouth |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:01 - Oct 17 by chicoazul |
Why can’t people just learn anything from the last 8 years? Why this constant Emma Kennedy AC Grayling esque “things will be different this time”? |
I'm not advocating full EU membership - I'd like it but it's not politically possible. Having closer links with the SM and CU in 2030 could be feasible however. We're likely heading into a decade-long recession, by which point it will be easier to sell the idea that Brexit has failed, although by no means a guaranteed. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 11:14 - Oct 17 with 647 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:58 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
Is there any real difference between the Tory chairman saying people should get better jobs if they want more money, and a liberal elite living in thriving cities telling people that if they don't want their wages under cut by cheap foreign labour they should get a better job?
This is why brexit was never black or white, and whilst whether in or out of the EU, bad governance is going to make everything bad. |
Where's this "liberal elite" saying that? Have you got a quote?
I agree - the UK government has (and had) the power to influence the UK economy. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:22 - Oct 17 with 655 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:14 - Oct 17 by XYZ |
Where's this "liberal elite" saying that? Have you got a quote?
I agree - the UK government has (and had) the power to influence the UK economy. |
It was often stated back here in the time when people were moaning that others had come here and taken their jobs - that it was their own fault that they were only a brickie, or a labourer, or a decorator, or a plasterer - and it was up to them to learn new skills etc if they didn't want it to happen.
I think this is part of the issue, a lot of the working classes have seen their wages driven down by EU migrants in front of their eyes and whilst talk of net benefactors it's not their lived experience. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 13:07 - Oct 17 with 609 views | Vic |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:57 - Oct 16 by GeoffSentence |
If we were to rejoin the EU wouldn't we have to also join Shengan and the Euro? I thought that was the position for countries who joined anew. I can't see there being much support in the country for that. |
You don;t think there would be? Most people I talk too see Brexit as such a catastrophic mistake that I think they would probably accept the Euro and Shengan now just to get back in.
After all - if we won;t accept the euro then we aren't very European are we!I'm interested in why we'd want to join without accepting the euro |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 13:31 - Oct 17 with 592 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think the UK rejoined the EU, Nicola Sturgeon would be just as aghast as if we ended up with a non-Tory government. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:53 - Oct 17 with 522 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 08:51 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
And a UK business problem, because there was an easy option available to not train people.
I'm not suggesting the smartest way to go about this was to cut off the supply of labour, but too many industries (and construction on one) have got very lazy because of EU immigration and the skills gap is so wide now
Some of it is the 'fault' of foreigners though, that they are willing and able to live and work in conditions that are almost inhumane by British standards - if we want a race to the bottom for workers we can join them by living with 16 people to a 3 bed house with 2 beds in every room and sleeping in shifts so they can send more money home etc - but it is hardly living the dream |
Which is why we need to ensure more of our young people get to learn a trade as you rightly say in construction.I got chastised for merely implying that we were racing to the bottom with the influx of workers from around the world yesterday. As I say unless we increase training for these young people we are consigning a whole generation to the waste land, it maybe needs to start at high school level and bringing back proper vocational training rather than just focussing on the STEM subjects. |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:07 - Oct 17 with 513 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:53 - Oct 17 by gazzer1999 |
Which is why we need to ensure more of our young people get to learn a trade as you rightly say in construction.I got chastised for merely implying that we were racing to the bottom with the influx of workers from around the world yesterday. As I say unless we increase training for these young people we are consigning a whole generation to the waste land, it maybe needs to start at high school level and bringing back proper vocational training rather than just focussing on the STEM subjects. |
Any idea of who has been cutting training and education over the past 12 years
Any explanation of who has benefitted from migrant labour
. or who thought it a good idea to shut of UK students from participating in EU wide learning, nurses bursaries ?
Not you righties, surely  | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:10 - Oct 17 with 509 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:22 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
It was often stated back here in the time when people were moaning that others had come here and taken their jobs - that it was their own fault that they were only a brickie, or a labourer, or a decorator, or a plasterer - and it was up to them to learn new skills etc if they didn't want it to happen.
I think this is part of the issue, a lot of the working classes have seen their wages driven down by EU migrants in front of their eyes and whilst talk of net benefactors it's not their lived experience. |
whereas all studies have shown this not to be the case - just some Farage style lie to wind up the thickos
I wonder what the thickos vote to remove workers rights, protections will have on wages
"master knows best.... baa baa.." | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:14 - Oct 17 with 505 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:10 - Oct 17 by HARRY10 |
whereas all studies have shown this not to be the case - just some Farage style lie to wind up the thickos
I wonder what the thickos vote to remove workers rights, protections will have on wages
"master knows best.... baa baa.." |
I mean Harry, what would someone who actually works in construction know about it? | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:17 - Oct 17 with 503 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:07 - Oct 17 by HARRY10 |
Any idea of who has been cutting training and education over the past 12 years
Any explanation of who has benefitted from migrant labour
. or who thought it a good idea to shut of UK students from participating in EU wide learning, nurses bursaries ?
Not you righties, surely |
Remember who said education education education? and saddled young people with worthless degree's and massive student loans, a man called Tony BLIAR.
As my previous response to you regarding ERASMUS it only benefitted the middle and higher classes, I stand for ALL young people regardless of background.
Harry loosen up and enjoy life instead of being stuck behind a keyboard moaning every day. You will get your chance soon to promote how the next labour government run the country. Just hope its not like the USA who thought getting rid of Trump and the world would be all rosy again, didn't bargain for sleepy Joe did they? | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:18 - Oct 17 with 501 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:14 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I mean Harry, what would someone who actually works in construction know about it? |
I know quite a lot thank you. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:24 - Oct 17 with 492 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:17 - Oct 17 by gazzer1999 |
Remember who said education education education? and saddled young people with worthless degree's and massive student loans, a man called Tony BLIAR.
As my previous response to you regarding ERASMUS it only benefitted the middle and higher classes, I stand for ALL young people regardless of background.
Harry loosen up and enjoy life instead of being stuck behind a keyboard moaning every day. You will get your chance soon to promote how the next labour government run the country. Just hope its not like the USA who thought getting rid of Trump and the world would be all rosy again, didn't bargain for sleepy Joe did they? |
Poor rightie.
If what Blair did was so wrong then how come your lot did not change it ?
So regarding Erasmus, it would appear your whinge is on behalf of poor kids - the same patronising sh yte we hear from your lot, as if those kids can only aspire to working in semi skilled trades in construction
as to me, well I have been here about an hour on and off - which rather suggests your maths is as bad as your grasp on reality - and I have no problem with challenging the lies that spew out from your sort either
a very necessary function of society, as much as the road sweeper, auxiliary nurse or teaching assistant | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:30 - Oct 17 with 491 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:24 - Oct 17 by HARRY10 |
Poor rightie.
If what Blair did was so wrong then how come your lot did not change it ?
So regarding Erasmus, it would appear your whinge is on behalf of poor kids - the same patronising sh yte we hear from your lot, as if those kids can only aspire to working in semi skilled trades in construction
as to me, well I have been here about an hour on and off - which rather suggests your maths is as bad as your grasp on reality - and I have no problem with challenging the lies that spew out from your sort either
a very necessary function of society, as much as the road sweeper, auxiliary nurse or teaching assistant |
I shall not engage with you again Harry as you always resort to the usual your sort or righties, you do not know me and I not you. I think I will leave it there for you to take a quick look in the mirror and ask yourself am I a nice person or just a plain angry old git.
You should not be on this forum and should have been banned months ago. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:46 - Oct 17 with 479 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:30 - Oct 17 by gazzer1999 |
I shall not engage with you again Harry as you always resort to the usual your sort or righties, you do not know me and I not you. I think I will leave it there for you to take a quick look in the mirror and ask yourself am I a nice person or just a plain angry old git.
You should not be on this forum and should have been banned months ago. |
A rightie calling for someone to be cancelled - and whining about name calling
"angry old git"
well I am not angry... blunt in challenging your lies, yes
old, nope, nowhere near pension age
git, you are welcome to refer to me as that... though some might ask how it is as neither of us know the other you arrived at that conclusion (think before you reply  )
perhaps you might care to consider the effects your rightie views will have on the old folk, the vulnerable and others similar - it is your 'betters' and brexit that has brought us to this state of affairs
people worrying about making ends meet, while being patronised by those you support as Rees-Mogg saying food banks were not a result of7 the callous indifference of the sort you support, but a sign of the generaosity of the poor helping the poor
that is when I get angry, knowing that Alf Garnetts such as yourself have enabled these b'stards to fck up so many others for years | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:55 - Oct 17 with 467 views | MattinLondon |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:14 - Oct 17 by XYZ |
Where's this "liberal elite" saying that? Have you got a quote?
I agree - the UK government has (and had) the power to influence the UK economy. |
The term ‘liberal elite’ is utter bollox. |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:01 - Oct 17 with 459 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:55 - Oct 17 by MattinLondon |
The term ‘liberal elite’ is utter bollox. |
Indeed. Divide and rule tactic used by the right wing to con the impressionable. | | | |
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