| Rejoining the EU 17:26 - Oct 16 with 8734 views | Churchman |
For the first time, I have noticed somebody has written the words that dare not be spoken
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/16/heres-my-plan-for-growth-liz-tr
For a boost to the economy, growth and all that stuff it’s an obvious thing to do. It’s six years since the farcical vote - the same length of time as WW2. Surely it’s time to say the experiment has failed and we need to move on.
So what’s to lose given Brixit has not offered one single benefit and is unlikely to do so? Pride? An election? Pride doesn’t pay mortgages or put food on the table. Winning an election is something the tories won’t be doing for a generation.
I hope it’s something Starmer is considering. It’s a logical thing to do. |  | | |  |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:04 - Oct 17 with 1007 views | MattinLondon |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:01 - Oct 17 by XYZ |
Indeed. Divide and rule tactic used by the right wing to con the impressionable. |
The phrase which makes me laugh the most is ‘left wing media’. Ok, I’m terms of the popular press you have The Guardian and The Mirror but that’s your lot.
Some idiots will also include the BBC but considering many on the left think it’s too right I think it goes a good job of being firmly in the middle. |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:19 - Oct 17 with 989 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:04 - Oct 17 by MattinLondon |
The phrase which makes me laugh the most is ‘left wing media’. Ok, I’m terms of the popular press you have The Guardian and The Mirror but that’s your lot.
Some idiots will also include the BBC but considering many on the left think it’s too right I think it goes a good job of being firmly in the middle. |
Hunt was doing it the Commons today - characterising Labour as being incapable of running the economy.
Er ... |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:33 - Oct 17 with 981 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:55 - Oct 17 by MattinLondon |
The term ‘liberal elite’ is utter bollox. |
Have you never been to Aldeburgh or Stoke Newington for that matter! |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 19:43 - Oct 17 with 959 views | MattinLondon |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:33 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Have you never been to Aldeburgh or Stoke Newington for that matter! |
Yeah, both overrated. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 21:37 - Oct 17 with 897 views | jaykay |
| Rejoining the EU on 08:51 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
And a UK business problem, because there was an easy option available to not train people.
I'm not suggesting the smartest way to go about this was to cut off the supply of labour, but too many industries (and construction on one) have got very lazy because of EU immigration and the skills gap is so wide now
Some of it is the 'fault' of foreigners though, that they are willing and able to live and work in conditions that are almost inhumane by British standards - if we want a race to the bottom for workers we can join them by living with 16 people to a 3 bed house with 2 beds in every room and sleeping in shifts so they can send more money home etc - but it is hardly living the dream |
the same could have been said about the irish. when i started in construction in the 60s most irish were labourers and looked down on as bog diggers etc . now they own the big firms and the others made sure their sons became architects, surveyors , agents etc. they started at the bottom of the pile but now their children living the dream |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 23:13 - Oct 17 with 874 views | Coastalblue |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:47 - Oct 17 by tractordownsouth |
I think rejoining the Single Market will happen in a 2nd term Labour government. I can see why, from Starmer's point of view he doesn't want to do it now because it will be a dividing line the Tories can use to hold onto their red wall seats, but once the Tories are out of office, I think it will be easier to do politically. |
Do you honestly think the Labour party will manage a second term in government?
I can't see that, but interested if you do feel it's a possibility. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 00:04 - Oct 18 with 856 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 23:13 - Oct 17 by Coastalblue |
Do you honestly think the Labour party will manage a second term in government?
I can't see that, but interested if you do feel it's a possibility. |
Shy tory?
Hoping Labour turn up to clean up the dirty protest the tories have turned the country into and then get gaslit? | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 00:42 - Oct 18 with 840 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 08:51 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
And a UK business problem, because there was an easy option available to not train people.
I'm not suggesting the smartest way to go about this was to cut off the supply of labour, but too many industries (and construction on one) have got very lazy because of EU immigration and the skills gap is so wide now
Some of it is the 'fault' of foreigners though, that they are willing and able to live and work in conditions that are almost inhumane by British standards - if we want a race to the bottom for workers we can join them by living with 16 people to a 3 bed house with 2 beds in every room and sleeping in shifts so they can send more money home etc - but it is hardly living the dream |
Whereas there are plenty of UK workers who would happily work for the wages being paid to East Europeans - as the latter are taking the money back home here it has the buying power of 4/5 times that in the UK. As to
"if we want a race to the bottom "
14m in the UK did. They voted for Brexit, where that is one of it's intents. Freed from EU protections and standards, what do you think will happen. ? Much as with food. Gone will go UK livestock farming as what wont be able to compete on price will be banned from the EU on the basis of quality ie. the EuU will not trust the origin.
it would be laughable, were it not so tragic. that thickos are bleating about being undercut while voting to remove the standards that offer some protection.
Thickos bleating out nonsense daubed on barn walls.
"Them there lefties and their NHS and unions and better pay, thems your henemies thems is. Its hus the Rees-Moggs, Johnsons, Farages and all us other millionaires who are your real friends"
And the thickos swallow it, every last word.
Perhaps they could tell us what happened to 'levelling up'. Or maybe Johnsons lie about fishing, George Eustaces lie about farming.
I'm still not sure whether being a rightie is just stupidity or some kind of syndrome. I can understand why one of the real elites would be a rightie, but unemployed and living in a council house in Barnsley ? | | | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 02:49 - Oct 18 with 828 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:52 - Oct 16 by MattinLondon |
He won’t, too soon after the initially referendum. Like him or not, he’s clever enough not to fight a battle that he knows will either be too unpopular or not winnable. |
Why change close to 2 to 1 odds in your favour to evens?
At the moment he has to ask one simple question:
"Do you want the Tories in charge again? If not, vote for us!"
If he were to seek to reintroduce Brexit at this point it would muddy the waters considerably.
And I say that as someone who is a passionate internationalist and is desperate for us to rejoin the EU. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 09:08 - Oct 18 with 791 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:10 - Oct 17 by HARRY10 |
whereas all studies have shown this not to be the case - just some Farage style lie to wind up the thickos
I wonder what the thickos vote to remove workers rights, protections will have on wages
"master knows best.... baa baa.." |
Ok please show me one study where the influx of EU labour didn't drive wages down in the unskilled and semi skilled labour markets |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 09:10 - Oct 18 with 778 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:17 - Oct 17 by gazzer1999 |
Remember who said education education education? and saddled young people with worthless degree's and massive student loans, a man called Tony BLIAR.
As my previous response to you regarding ERASMUS it only benefitted the middle and higher classes, I stand for ALL young people regardless of background.
Harry loosen up and enjoy life instead of being stuck behind a keyboard moaning every day. You will get your chance soon to promote how the next labour government run the country. Just hope its not like the USA who thought getting rid of Trump and the world would be all rosy again, didn't bargain for sleepy Joe did they? |
I think education, education, education is the right way forward - getting more people better educated is what an economy needs to grow and those 'worthless' degrees are far from it and help drive the countries entrepreneurship, skills, technology, etc.
But there needs to be a way to properly look after people who don't want to stay in education, who want to get out and work in manual jobs and contribute to the economy that way - proper apprenticeships, and not just project managers, or quantity surveyors, or M&E. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 09:13 - Oct 18 with 764 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:55 - Oct 17 by MattinLondon |
The term ‘liberal elite’ is utter bollox. |
I don't think it is, it may not be the right term, but people know what it means.
People on here, who can work from home, and get good sick pay, or 6 months shared parental leave, earning good money in stable jobs, that can look at journals as to why immigration is a good thing over the whole of the country, that can moan about the Govt and its effects but not really suffer the consequences of them in real meaningful ways unless totally disastrous, who worry that our children won't be able to work in the EU when it's not even a pipe dream for others.
This country is splitting like the USA where the gap between the haves and the have nots is a chasm | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 09:16 - Oct 18 with 751 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 21:37 - Oct 17 by jaykay |
the same could have been said about the irish. when i started in construction in the 60s most irish were labourers and looked down on as bog diggers etc . now they own the big firms and the others made sure their sons became architects, surveyors , agents etc. they started at the bottom of the pile but now their children living the dream |
It's an immigrants mindset, they know what it is like to be at the bottom and make sure their children aren't there by enforcing education, hard work, and the like. I'd hasten a guess that second-generation immigrants are probably the biggest climbers from jobs that their parents do to what they do in most real terms.
I imagine once you get to 3rd, 4th and 5th that they quickly regress to the mean though | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 10:35 - Oct 18 with 715 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 09:13 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
I don't think it is, it may not be the right term, but people know what it means.
People on here, who can work from home, and get good sick pay, or 6 months shared parental leave, earning good money in stable jobs, that can look at journals as to why immigration is a good thing over the whole of the country, that can moan about the Govt and its effects but not really suffer the consequences of them in real meaningful ways unless totally disastrous, who worry that our children won't be able to work in the EU when it's not even a pipe dream for others.
This country is splitting like the USA where the gap between the haves and the have nots is a chasm |
This is just chip-on-shoulder stuff.
"My life's crap so yours should be too". | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:38 - Oct 18 with 713 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:35 - Oct 18 by XYZ |
This is just chip-on-shoulder stuff.
"My life's crap so yours should be too". |
“Liberal elite doesn’t exist”
*makes elitist judgment on poster* | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:06 - Oct 18 with 677 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:38 - Oct 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Liberal elite doesn’t exist”
*makes elitist judgment on poster* |
The country's woken up to what people who use the term "Liberal elite" are all about.
Still, at least you've outed yourself on that score. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:11 - Oct 18 with 655 views | giant_stow |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:06 - Oct 18 by XYZ |
The country's woken up to what people who use the term "Liberal elite" are all about.
Still, at least you've outed yourself on that score. |
My biggest problem with this term is that the way its used, the liberal elite must be 'king massive - maybe 30-40% of the country. Or do they mean labour supporters? |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 11:20 - Oct 18 with 636 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:11 - Oct 18 by giant_stow |
My biggest problem with this term is that the way its used, the liberal elite must be 'king massive - maybe 30-40% of the country. Or do they mean labour supporters? |
It's a Farage-like term used to control the "working classes" by conning them into believing that the "educated" left are working against them or taking advantage of them.
Obviously it's used by those seeking to wind people up and use them for their own purposes (Farage and his like).
Orwellian. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:22 - Oct 18 with 634 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:06 - Oct 18 by XYZ |
The country's woken up to what people who use the term "Liberal elite" are all about.
Still, at least you've outed yourself on that score. |
There’s not a liberal elite, but there is most certainly a public schoolboy elite running this country both in terms of politics and in industry.
The only one outing anything is yourself with your weird Bankster obsession. I don’t agree with much of what he says ideology, but you really have a hard-on for that guy. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:28 - Oct 18 with 618 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:22 - Oct 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
There’s not a liberal elite, but there is most certainly a public schoolboy elite running this country both in terms of politics and in industry.
The only one outing anything is yourself with your weird Bankster obsession. I don’t agree with much of what he says ideology, but you really have a hard-on for that guy. |
Has he moved on to Banksy? I div listed him for weird early hours in the morning obsession. I'm happy for him that he's moved on so quickly. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 11:35 - Oct 18 with 601 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:22 - Oct 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
There’s not a liberal elite, but there is most certainly a public schoolboy elite running this country both in terms of politics and in industry.
The only one outing anything is yourself with your weird Bankster obsession. I don’t agree with much of what he says ideology, but you really have a hard-on for that guy. |
BDS accused me of something; I defended myself. We had a perfectly civil exchange yesterday.
Public schoolboys are not the "Liberal elite". It's mostly public schoolboys who use the term - see, e.g., Boris Johnson.
You seem to be confused on a number of fronts. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:40 - Oct 18 with 586 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 11:28 - Oct 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Has he moved on to Banksy? I div listed him for weird early hours in the morning obsession. I'm happy for him that he's moved on so quickly. |
You ran away because you didn't like being reminded of your posting history. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 12:04 - Oct 18 with 555 views | itfcjoe |
| Rejoining the EU on 10:35 - Oct 18 by XYZ |
This is just chip-on-shoulder stuff.
"My life's crap so yours should be too". |
Rubbish - it’s people who don’t have the opportunities to get into the comfortable positions that seem normal to people.
It’s not the ‘liberal elite’ working against people to keep them poor, quite the opposite as most of them voted to remain which would have helped them out etc.
But the class divide has never been starker between middle and working class and social mobility just doesn’t exist for massive swathes of people, those people were conned by Brexit and levelling up - but levelling up is what is needed | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 12:12 - Oct 18 with 532 views | XYZ |
| Rejoining the EU on 12:04 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
Rubbish - it’s people who don’t have the opportunities to get into the comfortable positions that seem normal to people.
It’s not the ‘liberal elite’ working against people to keep them poor, quite the opposite as most of them voted to remain which would have helped them out etc.
But the class divide has never been starker between middle and working class and social mobility just doesn’t exist for massive swathes of people, those people were conned by Brexit and levelling up - but levelling up is what is needed |
I agree absolutely that there are massive differences in opportunities in the UK.
Regional discrimination is a disgrace. The EU did far more to address this than Westminster has since 1979.
Some of Blair's policies were making a difference - Surestart was one of the most effective policies that Cameron just dumped in 2010. It was working very well.
I'd bring back Surestart and free school meals (breakfast and lunch) for all kids so there's no "shaming". Invest in all our people. | | | |
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