| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:47 - Oct 19 with 1897 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Needs a chapter all to itself in "The Oxford Book of Great Political Speeches". |  | |  |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:53 - Oct 19 with 1872 views | Swansea_Blue |
As I mentioned before, it’s fascinating to see the limits of their morality. He had no problem propping up a corrupt, incompetent and damaging Tory governments until now. So my sympathies for him don’t exactly run deep (or even start). |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:56 - Oct 19 with 1821 views | SomethingBlue |
Still concerned they'll regroup and power through somehow. The public need to make it clear vociferously that it's time for an election. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:59 - Oct 19 with 1801 views | factual_blue |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:53 - Oct 19 by Swansea_Blue |
As I mentioned before, it’s fascinating to see the limits of their morality. He had no problem propping up a corrupt, incompetent and damaging Tory governments until now. So my sympathies for him don’t exactly run deep (or even start). |
The boris, rees-mogg, et al turned tory party politics into some sort of series of juvenile pranks in the eton prefects' common room. |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:06 - Oct 19 with 1757 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:59 - Oct 19 by factual_blue |
The boris, rees-mogg, et al turned tory party politics into some sort of series of juvenile pranks in the eton prefects' common room. |
Didn’t they just. Let’s see what pranks we can make without matron finding out. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:09 - Oct 19 with 1734 views | Guthrum |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:59 - Oct 19 by factual_blue |
The boris, rees-mogg, et al turned tory party politics into some sort of series of juvenile pranks in the eton prefects' common room. |
When "Upsetting/annoying the right people" became part of political discourse. |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:11 - Oct 19 with 1719 views | tractordownsouth |
He’s bang on the money but he’s only saying so now it’s convenient. Like when he played the mental health card to argue against lockdown despite never speaking out about it when services were being cut. |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:11 - Oct 19 with 1722 views | NthQldITFC |
I'm not familiar with this fella, but I suspect he represents the bulk of more traditional conservatives and Conservatives. I think that's the sort of heartfelt speech that will resonate with the more decent Tories and will indeed signal the end for the rabid think tank-controlled 'libertarian' scum.
Looking on the bright side, perhaps the whole 2016-2022 Tory episode will serve as a meaningful shock and a turning point for UK politics, and we'll go all Scandy and become a decent social environmentalist country as a result, after veering away from a terrifying Trump-lite scenario.
(I know, I know. I won't hold my breath!) |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:13 - Oct 19 with 1694 views | Darth_Koont |
What’s actually changed here?
Where was the talent before? |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:18 - Oct 19 with 1657 views | Guthrum |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:13 - Oct 19 by Darth_Koont |
What’s actually changed here?
Where was the talent before? |
They've gone from competent-but-nasty (Osborne) to blatantly flaming useless (Truss). | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:24 - Oct 19 with 1632 views | jeera |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:13 - Oct 19 by Darth_Koont |
What’s actually changed here?
Where was the talent before? |
This process had to run its course so the public could see what they elected.
It's costly but eye-opening. |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:28 - Oct 19 with 1603 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:24 - Oct 19 by jeera |
This process had to run its course so the public could see what they elected.
It's costly but eye-opening. |
Cameron ... Johnson ... Truss ... they all represent everything the party currently in power stands for. In the past many of their leaders may well have tried to hide it or show more balance. However, the fundamental instinct of the party is to cut taxes for the richest and to shrink public services.
If Truss goes it won't be anyone better that they appoint ... although it may well be someone more savvy at manipulating popular opinion. |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:33 - Oct 19 with 1584 views | jeera |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:28 - Oct 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Cameron ... Johnson ... Truss ... they all represent everything the party currently in power stands for. In the past many of their leaders may well have tried to hide it or show more balance. However, the fundamental instinct of the party is to cut taxes for the richest and to shrink public services.
If Truss goes it won't be anyone better that they appoint ... although it may well be someone more savvy at manipulating popular opinion. |
"However, the fundamental instinct of the party is to cut taxes for the richest and to shrink public services."
Oh quite, but it's surprising how many people actually think you're saying that as some kind of insult instead of citing a basic comprehension of their core policy.
I do fear as Something Blue says above that there are still enough gullible people to give them a chance to sort themselves out, when what we've seen should have been enough for any number of sane people. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:35 - Oct 19 with 1578 views | Ryorry |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:59 - Oct 19 by factual_blue |
The boris, rees-mogg, et al turned tory party politics into some sort of series of juvenile pranks in the eton prefects' common room. |
Truss was going to force her own MPs to either vote to allow fracking in the UK, thereby contributing to the climate crisis & potential destruction of the planet, or be expelled from the Tory party.
Even in the days of Liar Johnson, there was hardly a clearer sign of the sheer immorality & corruption of the Tory Criminals Unfit To Govern.
The BBC political editor's just said live on the 10pm news "We do not have a functioning government. The government is dysfunctional". |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:36 - Oct 19 with 1566 views | Darth_Koont |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:24 - Oct 19 by jeera |
This process had to run its course so the public could see what they elected.
It's costly but eye-opening. |
Sure, but the situation for the UK is the result of decades of talentless politicians and their weak policies.
Certainly, if we’re talking the talent to run an economy and do the best for society, which is the actual job. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:41 - Oct 19 with 1530 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:33 - Oct 19 by jeera |
"However, the fundamental instinct of the party is to cut taxes for the richest and to shrink public services."
Oh quite, but it's surprising how many people actually think you're saying that as some kind of insult instead of citing a basic comprehension of their core policy.
I do fear as Something Blue says above that there are still enough gullible people to give them a chance to sort themselves out, when what we've seen should have been enough for any number of sane people. |
What I don't get about their core principle is how they persuade so many people that they are among those who will benefit. Most of those who get a small tax break will suffer far more from the shrinking public services that go hand-in-hand with them. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:49 - Oct 19 with 1512 views | Guthrum |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:33 - Oct 19 by jeera |
"However, the fundamental instinct of the party is to cut taxes for the richest and to shrink public services."
Oh quite, but it's surprising how many people actually think you're saying that as some kind of insult instead of citing a basic comprehension of their core policy.
I do fear as Something Blue says above that there are still enough gullible people to give them a chance to sort themselves out, when what we've seen should have been enough for any number of sane people. |
Some of that is history. The Conservatives were not always like that, before Thatcher and the worshippers of her twisted image*.
After all, while the Welfare State might have been enacted under Labour, it was planned during a Conservative-led government and represented a consensus over the way things needed to go.
* Thatcher herself subscribed to social conscience Toryism, to an extent. It was those who came after which created the image of a supposed anti-EU, small-state, sh1t-on-the-poor attitude. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:56 - Oct 19 with 1481 views | Guthrum |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:41 - Oct 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
What I don't get about their core principle is how they persuade so many people that they are among those who will benefit. Most of those who get a small tax break will suffer far more from the shrinking public services that go hand-in-hand with them. |
Decades of teaching (via the newspapers) that greed is good and trickle-down economics works.
People's lives have become more comfortable since the 1970s. High salaries, home ownership, foreign holidays as a matter of course, loads of technology. That has been attributed to the ideology which was in power when it all kicked off. Despite it being more down to a set of global circumstances (rising from the trough of the '70s, the end of the Cold War, the boom in the Far East) and a technological revolution. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 23:20 - Oct 19 with 1393 views | NthQldITFC |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:56 - Oct 19 by Guthrum |
Decades of teaching (via the newspapers) that greed is good and trickle-down economics works.
People's lives have become more comfortable since the 1970s. High salaries, home ownership, foreign holidays as a matter of course, loads of technology. That has been attributed to the ideology which was in power when it all kicked off. Despite it being more down to a set of global circumstances (rising from the trough of the '70s, the end of the Cold War, the boom in the Far East) and a technological revolution. |
It always surprises me how quickly people come to have an ironclad belief that they have some kind of 'right' to all the modern conveniences and consumer crap that have become normal and how, even older people who've lived without these things, are horrified at the thought of losing them.
That's the price of this growth worshipping society. When the growth comes to an end through its own internal economics, or through external environmental pressures, as it will (or probably is), so many folk just can't deal with it and get terribly frightened and selfish rather than being able to live again how they did just a few decades ago.
Modern tech and services have crept on us and softened us and stolen our ability to live a more natural, sensible and robust life, in my opinion. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 23:36 - Oct 19 with 1348 views | XYZ |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:56 - Oct 19 by Guthrum |
Decades of teaching (via the newspapers) that greed is good and trickle-down economics works.
People's lives have become more comfortable since the 1970s. High salaries, home ownership, foreign holidays as a matter of course, loads of technology. That has been attributed to the ideology which was in power when it all kicked off. Despite it being more down to a set of global circumstances (rising from the trough of the '70s, the end of the Cold War, the boom in the Far East) and a technological revolution. |
Indeed - the power of individual wealth and the rise of relative poverty is (I'm guessing) higher than since 1928 at best.
Both globally and in the UK. | | | |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 23:36 - Oct 19 with 1347 views | Ryorry |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 23:20 - Oct 19 by NthQldITFC |
It always surprises me how quickly people come to have an ironclad belief that they have some kind of 'right' to all the modern conveniences and consumer crap that have become normal and how, even older people who've lived without these things, are horrified at the thought of losing them.
That's the price of this growth worshipping society. When the growth comes to an end through its own internal economics, or through external environmental pressures, as it will (or probably is), so many folk just can't deal with it and get terribly frightened and selfish rather than being able to live again how they did just a few decades ago.
Modern tech and services have crept on us and softened us and stolen our ability to live a more natural, sensible and robust life, in my opinion. |
POTD.
A few weeks back, saw you reference a thread on the good sense (environmentally) of *not* going for a growth economy, but lost track of it - would you still be able to find & link it pls? Would like to read, tia if so 👠| |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 00:05 - Oct 20 with 1312 views | factual_blue |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:06 - Oct 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Didn’t they just. Let’s see what pranks we can make without matron finding out. |
In this scenario, nadine dorries is matron, and regularly 'punished' boris for being naughty.
Allegedly of course. | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:06 - Oct 20 with 1074 views | BlueBadger |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:35 - Oct 19 by Ryorry |
Truss was going to force her own MPs to either vote to allow fracking in the UK, thereby contributing to the climate crisis & potential destruction of the planet, or be expelled from the Tory party.
Even in the days of Liar Johnson, there was hardly a clearer sign of the sheer immorality & corruption of the Tory Criminals Unfit To Govern.
The BBC political editor's just said live on the 10pm news "We do not have a functioning government. The government is dysfunctional". |
In all fairness, Johnson removed the whip from his MPs for not voting in favour of his destructive Brexit deal and thereby contributing to a multitude of crises. [Post edited 20 Oct 2022 8:06]
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:07 - Oct 20 with 1068 views | BlueBadger |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:09 - Oct 19 by Guthrum |
When "Upsetting/annoying the right people" became part of political discourse. |
'Owning the libs' is literally all they have though. They've nothing to offer to improved the health, prosperity or general wellbeing of anyone bar their (frequently Russian) billionaire backers. | |
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