| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:47 - Oct 20 with 761 views | EdwardStone |
As he gears up for his peroration, it is profoundly significant that his first thought is "The damage they have done to the Conservative Party"
So, not the thousands of businesses collapsed or struggling because of Brexit
People on low incomes brought to the edge of despair or overwhelmed by cost of living increases
But the bloody Conservative Party.
He is just another heartless fool with bearly a shred of human decency |  | |  |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:59 - Oct 20 with 741 views | NthQldITFC |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 23:36 - Oct 19 by Ryorry |
POTD.
A few weeks back, saw you reference a thread on the good sense (environmentally) of *not* going for a growth economy, but lost track of it - would you still be able to find & link it pls? Would like to read, tia if so 👠|
Would it have been one of these ones Ryorry? I have been wittering on about the 'G' word quite a lot lately - some of it may have been vaguely cogent!
Great programme on 'Growth' on the World Service by NthQldITFC 15 Oct 2022 9:44I couldn't sleep last night, too excited about today, so I listened to a really good discussion about growth, and the desperately inadequate metric of GDP when it is used as a primary aim, rather than as one metric out of many to describe the health and well-being of a national economy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct33pk
A great listen, pitched at a nice level for economics virgins like me.
It strikes me that almost all of our discussions are about detail and technicalities, and getting angry when people don't give us massive respect for our somewhat subjective opinions. But the simple truth is that we are using an abstract and at best partially meaningful target (growth/wealth/money) when surely these things are at best only vehicles towards the ONLY things that actually matter to us (happiness/health/peace).
We seem so blinded to something so simple. It's a bit like the Emperor's new clothes, isn't it?
Cracking interview with Rory Stewart by NthQldITFC 29 Sep 2022 12:43I guess there's truth in the adage that we get the politicians we deserve (if I've got that right?).
So we've had for decades essentially greed-driven leaders as a reflection of our society which is largely (mainly?) consumer-driven and self-interested. The average pleb wants a 4x4, disposable trainers, a big house and a lot of foreign holidays irrespective of the effect on the environment, so we have supercharged tvvats who lead the way on that basis, and promise everybody that that's what they can have, if only we can somehow achieve the miracle of continuous growth without killing ourselves, cancer-like.
A lot of those plebs are surely starting to realise now, that that model is not possible from anything other than a suicidal short-term perspective at the expense of their children. My hope is that this realisation is reflected in a sustainable retreat to an environmentally and socially responsible future, led by politicans that reflect a somewhat humbled populace. I think Rory Stewart could fit that mould, irrespective of past allegiances, although I wouldn't be too fixated on personalities; it's not the formation that matters, it's the principles and processes.
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:24 - Oct 20 with 724 views | BlueBadger |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:47 - Oct 20 by EdwardStone |
As he gears up for his peroration, it is profoundly significant that his first thought is "The damage they have done to the Conservative Party"
So, not the thousands of businesses collapsed or struggling because of Brexit
People on low incomes brought to the edge of despair or overwhelmed by cost of living increases
But the bloody Conservative Party.
He is just another heartless fool with bearly a shred of human decency |
Quite. He's been happy to endose the last 12 years of wilful self indulgence of nearly all their 'down with anyone who isn't a rich straight white bloke' fantasies and is now sh1tting it because they're probably going to be out of the running for at least a decade, with any hope. |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:40 - Oct 20 with 691 views | MattinLondon |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:24 - Oct 20 by BlueBadger |
Quite. He's been happy to endose the last 12 years of wilful self indulgence of nearly all their 'down with anyone who isn't a rich straight white bloke' fantasies and is now sh1tting it because they're probably going to be out of the running for at least a decade, with any hope. |
There was some Tory MP on 5Live earlier this morning - didn’t get his name - who was advocating the return of Boris. It was all a big mistake getting rid of him. Didn’t mention the corruption, the lies, the law breaking etc.
I’m not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination but I do realise that the current Parliamentary model requires a strong opposition and this is something which they might well not be when a GE is called. They need to reassess themselves and to get rid of their extremes which putting the idiots like Rees-Mogg back on the backbenchers.
If they carry on like they are they stand the very real risk of being utterly humiliated. Something which I’ll find funny but a massive majority, over time simply breeds corruption regardless of blue or red. |  | | |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:43 - Oct 20 with 686 views | BlueBadger |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:40 - Oct 20 by MattinLondon |
There was some Tory MP on 5Live earlier this morning - didn’t get his name - who was advocating the return of Boris. It was all a big mistake getting rid of him. Didn’t mention the corruption, the lies, the law breaking etc.
I’m not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination but I do realise that the current Parliamentary model requires a strong opposition and this is something which they might well not be when a GE is called. They need to reassess themselves and to get rid of their extremes which putting the idiots like Rees-Mogg back on the backbenchers.
If they carry on like they are they stand the very real risk of being utterly humiliated. Something which I’ll find funny but a massive majority, over time simply breeds corruption regardless of blue or red. |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:49 - Oct 20 with 654 views | itfcjoe |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 21:56 - Oct 19 by SomethingBlue |
Still concerned they'll regroup and power through somehow. The public need to make it clear vociferously that it's time for an election. |
There's no route to the ERG and the One Nations to regroup - they are so far apart now and the party is totally ungovernable |  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:52 - Oct 20 with 649 views | itfcjoe |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 22:35 - Oct 19 by Ryorry |
Truss was going to force her own MPs to either vote to allow fracking in the UK, thereby contributing to the climate crisis & potential destruction of the planet, or be expelled from the Tory party.
Even in the days of Liar Johnson, there was hardly a clearer sign of the sheer immorality & corruption of the Tory Criminals Unfit To Govern.
The BBC political editor's just said live on the 10pm news "We do not have a functioning government. The government is dysfunctional". |
Also to vote against a manifesto pledge from 2019 that they all got elected on | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:53 - Oct 20 with 634 views | MattinLondon |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 09:43 - Oct 20 by BlueBadger |
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Just shameless self-preservation at the expense of the country. Most of them, if not all, are simply fake-patriots. Happy to wave the Union flag like they are doing helicopter impressions with their cock, but at the end of the day it’s all about ‘me, me, me’. The greater good of the country doesn’t matter. I have no sympathy, be it on a human level or any other level, they have to go.
A bit like those trouble-makers at the final of Euros. Happy to wave the flag at the expense of the countries reputation. | | | |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 10:57 - Oct 20 with 571 views | Ryorry |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:59 - Oct 20 by NthQldITFC |
Would it have been one of these ones Ryorry? I have been wittering on about the 'G' word quite a lot lately - some of it may have been vaguely cogent!
Great programme on 'Growth' on the World Service by NthQldITFC 15 Oct 2022 9:44I couldn't sleep last night, too excited about today, so I listened to a really good discussion about growth, and the desperately inadequate metric of GDP when it is used as a primary aim, rather than as one metric out of many to describe the health and well-being of a national economy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct33pk
A great listen, pitched at a nice level for economics virgins like me.
It strikes me that almost all of our discussions are about detail and technicalities, and getting angry when people don't give us massive respect for our somewhat subjective opinions. But the simple truth is that we are using an abstract and at best partially meaningful target (growth/wealth/money) when surely these things are at best only vehicles towards the ONLY things that actually matter to us (happiness/health/peace).
We seem so blinded to something so simple. It's a bit like the Emperor's new clothes, isn't it?
Cracking interview with Rory Stewart by NthQldITFC 29 Sep 2022 12:43I guess there's truth in the adage that we get the politicians we deserve (if I've got that right?).
So we've had for decades essentially greed-driven leaders as a reflection of our society which is largely (mainly?) consumer-driven and self-interested. The average pleb wants a 4x4, disposable trainers, a big house and a lot of foreign holidays irrespective of the effect on the environment, so we have supercharged tvvats who lead the way on that basis, and promise everybody that that's what they can have, if only we can somehow achieve the miracle of continuous growth without killing ourselves, cancer-like.
A lot of those plebs are surely starting to realise now, that that model is not possible from anything other than a suicidal short-term perspective at the expense of their children. My hope is that this realisation is reflected in a sustainable retreat to an environmentally and socially responsible future, led by politicans that reflect a somewhat humbled populace. I think Rory Stewart could fit that mould, irrespective of past allegiances, although I wouldn't be too fixated on personalities; it's not the formation that matters, it's the principles and processes.
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Cheers NthQld, will get those progs. up on Sounds for a listen 👠|  |
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 13:27 - Oct 20 with 518 views | itfc56 |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 08:47 - Oct 20 by EdwardStone |
As he gears up for his peroration, it is profoundly significant that his first thought is "The damage they have done to the Conservative Party"
So, not the thousands of businesses collapsed or struggling because of Brexit
People on low incomes brought to the edge of despair or overwhelmed by cost of living increases
But the bloody Conservative Party.
He is just another heartless fool with bearly a shred of human decency |
Interesting point but I think it misunderstands the nature of party politics.
I have been a member of the Labour Party since 1979 not because I see it as as an end itself but I have certain values and believe that a fairer society in a mixed economy can only be achieved through state intervention and a properly funded public realm. My perspectives have changed over time and God knows the party has seen its ups and downs but I still have seen no convincing alternative to electing a Labour Government, however imperfect, to deliver that. A view I think well demonstrated by the overall record of delivery from1997 to 2010.
The key word here is electing. However great your ideals they simply can't be achieved if you're not in power, be that locally or nationally. That is why I felt anger very similar to Charles Walker after the 2019 elections reflecting on Corbyn and the party members who were his cheerleaders. Consigning the party to electoral oblivion was yes a disaster for the party but through that it was a disaster for the people who would have been helped by a Labour Government.
I do Charles Walker enough credit from what I have seen of his record to think that he also believes in positive outcomes for people - good education, health services etc. But, I think misguidedly, he thinks that this can be best achieved through an unfettered free market and a Tory Government. So to him the biggest crime is making the Tory Party unelectable not simply for selfish reasons but because to him it is a betrayal of his constituents and the people he thinks can only benefit if there is a Tory Government.
He may be profoundly wrong but I absolutely understand were he is coming from. [Post edited 20 Oct 2022 14:47]
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| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 13:38 - Oct 20 with 499 views | Darth_Koont |
| Charles Walker pulling no punches on 13:27 - Oct 20 by itfc56 |
Interesting point but I think it misunderstands the nature of party politics.
I have been a member of the Labour Party since 1979 not because I see it as as an end itself but I have certain values and believe that a fairer society in a mixed economy can only be achieved through state intervention and a properly funded public realm. My perspectives have changed over time and God knows the party has seen its ups and downs but I still have seen no convincing alternative to electing a Labour Government, however imperfect, to deliver that. A view I think well demonstrated by the overall record of delivery from1997 to 2010.
The key word here is electing. However great your ideals they simply can't be achieved if you're not in power, be that locally or nationally. That is why I felt anger very similar to Charles Walker after the 2019 elections reflecting on Corbyn and the party members who were his cheerleaders. Consigning the party to electoral oblivion was yes a disaster for the party but through that it was a disaster for the people who would have been helped by a Labour Government.
I do Charles Walker enough credit from what I have seen of his record to think that he also believes in positive outcomes for people - good education, health services etc. But, I think misguidedly, he thinks that this can be best achieved through an unfettered free market and a Tory Government. So to him the biggest crime is making the Tory Party unelectable not simply for selfish reasons but because to him it is a betrayal of his constituents and the people he thinks can only benefit if there is a Tory Government.
He may be profoundly wrong but I absolutely understand were he is coming from. [Post edited 20 Oct 2022 14:47]
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The loss in 2019 can most squarely be blamed on the Brexit compromise Corbyn was forced to adopt. It turns out that the People’s Vote lot just like their Change UK counterparts were just as interested in destabilising and diminishing Labour’s electoral chances as they were in the question of remaining in the EU.
The same people who drove that and who are now virtually silent on the matter are the ones in charge of Labour today.
I blame them and the more overt saboteurs in 2015-19 who had a hissy fit because of social democracy. |  |
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