| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:12 - Nov 2 with 1693 views | factual_blue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 22:34 - Nov 2 by gtsb1966 |
Do you honestly think that everyone who wants to come here is doing so because they are fleeing war and persecution. The ones that are yes let's help but you know, I know and the whole world knows that there are many ,especially young men, who are economic migrants and in no danger at home and are here illegally. If you're happy for them to be here illegally that's your choice but I and many millions of others are not. |
Surely 'economic migrants' are just people who are displaying the sort of get-up-and-go entrepreneurial spirit that will Make Britain Great Again? |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 with 1679 views | eireblue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:12 - Nov 2 by factual_blue |
Surely 'economic migrants' are just people who are displaying the sort of get-up-and-go entrepreneurial spirit that will Make Britain Great Again? |
Traditionally, only if they used a bike.
Hmmmm, once again gtsb raises an important issue, why aren’t we giving asylum seekers bikes to help them find work. |  | | |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 with 1682 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:12 - Nov 2 by factual_blue |
Surely 'economic migrants' are just people who are displaying the sort of get-up-and-go entrepreneurial spirit that will Make Britain Great Again? |
You mean, vets, doctors, dentists, nurses, carers, fruit pickers, factory workers, tax payers etc.?
Or is he really meaning foreign bankers, CEOs, international superstar footballers, golf course owners, private healthcare managers, care home managers, etc?
What is really behind his determination to demonise economic migrants? |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 with 1679 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 22:48 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
What is an economic migrant? What proportion of economic migrants are in the UK illegally? How much do economic migrants contribute to the UK economy? Why do you wish to demonise economic migrants? |
Apart from the last one, do you know the answers to your questions?
I wouldn't demonise anyone for trying to get by in a global economic model built on inequality and exploitation. But I will demonise the economic model that encourages this so that the relatively well off can pay less to have their gardens tended, their children looked after and their houses cleaned. All while getting to feel intellectually and morally superior to those at the arse end of the social scale.
And gtsb....kick up! |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:19 - Nov 2 with 1671 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Apart from the last one, do you know the answers to your questions?
I wouldn't demonise anyone for trying to get by in a global economic model built on inequality and exploitation. But I will demonise the economic model that encourages this so that the relatively well off can pay less to have their gardens tended, their children looked after and their houses cleaned. All while getting to feel intellectually and morally superior to those at the arse end of the social scale.
And gtsb....kick up! |
I can be fairly sure that none of the answers are what gtsb appears to think they are. | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:26 - Nov 2 with 1667 views | factual_blue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 by eireblue |
Traditionally, only if they used a bike.
Hmmmm, once again gtsb raises an important issue, why aren’t we giving asylum seekers bikes to help them find work. |
So is there a direct correlation between the numbers of bike shops in Bury St Edmunds and lord tebbit's presence in the town? | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:47 - Nov 2 with 1644 views | BlueBadger |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 19:33 - Nov 2 by gtsb1966 |
One of the men, a 29-year-old economics student from Iraq, said he had been held at Manston for 21 days after arriving in the UK by boat. “There were so many people there. They gave food, but only a little,” he said. He said he was told on Tuesday afternoon that he was being taken to London. “We were told we should go to our families or friends. I don’t have any family in the UK,” he said.
That last sentence is why I question why he has risked his life to cross the channel when he could've sought asylum on the European mainland. It's the question many people in this country ask and it's a genuine question . |
It's a question asked by people with Very Real Concerns, for sure.
Generally speaking, English is taught very widely around the world - if I was alone, scared and desperate, I'd probably be looking to leg it to somewhere I might stay a chance of being understood and understanding others.
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:54 - Nov 2 with 1629 views | BlueBadger |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 22:34 - Nov 2 by gtsb1966 |
Do you honestly think that everyone who wants to come here is doing so because they are fleeing war and persecution. The ones that are yes let's help but you know, I know and the whole world knows that there are many ,especially young men, who are economic migrants and in no danger at home and are here illegally. If you're happy for them to be here illegally that's your choice but I and many millions of others are not. |
There's a lot of people around East Anglia who are descended from Economic Migrants. I certainly am. | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:55 - Nov 2 with 1623 views | BlueBadger |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You mean, vets, doctors, dentists, nurses, carers, fruit pickers, factory workers, tax payers etc.?
Or is he really meaning foreign bankers, CEOs, international superstar footballers, golf course owners, private healthcare managers, care home managers, etc?
What is really behind his determination to demonise economic migrants? |
Technically speaking, the PM and Home Secretary(to name just two) are Economic Migrants... | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 00:00 - Nov 3 with 1616 views | bournemouthblue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:55 - Nov 2 by BlueBadger |
Technically speaking, the PM and Home Secretary(to name just two) are Economic Migrants... |
They are of economic migrant origin but then again my surname is Irish, my Great Great Grandad was Irish and a carpentry Navy I believe, I'm sure he faced a fair portion of resentment back in those days |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 00:02 - Nov 3 with 1615 views | BlueBadger |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 19:46 - Nov 2 by Guthrum |
I suspect Sunak is just giving her enough rope. Then he can get rid claiming she brought it upon herself. |
I fear you're attributing the man who lost a popularity contest to Liz Truss with more savvy than he really deserves. | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 00:17 - Nov 3 with 1592 views | Ryorry |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You mean, vets, doctors, dentists, nurses, carers, fruit pickers, factory workers, tax payers etc.?
Or is he really meaning foreign bankers, CEOs, international superstar footballers, golf course owners, private healthcare managers, care home managers, etc?
What is really behind his determination to demonise economic migrants? |
This is what I find so ridiculous and abhorrent about Tory policy.
Given that even they must surely have realised the UK is desperately short of workers in those key areas (and others), you'd have thunk they'd welcome asylum seekers with open arms, deployed extra civil servants to run rapid security checks on them just in case, and then assuming that the vast majority of applicants would pass those, give them resident status with permission to work. Even provide training for key areas.
What's not to like? Fear that their traditional voters might not like the non-white ones? |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 00:50 - Nov 3 with 1566 views | XYZ |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:55 - Nov 2 by BlueBadger |
Technically speaking, the PM and Home Secretary(to name just two) are Economic Migrants... |
Every living human is either an economic migrant or the descendant of (more than) one.
Village idiots may be the exception that proves the rule. |  | | |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 06:46 - Nov 3 with 1503 views | Warkystache |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 21:21 - Nov 2 by StokieBlue |
Is it genuine question though? There could be many reasons that someone might want to come here rather than France. Language for instance would be a huge reason.
Through sheer luck you've been born in a country where you won't need to flee and that's good for you because if you did need to flee I hope the people at the end of your journey show a lot more empathy, generousity and care than you've seemed to show for others over the last few days.
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Although I've certainly felt like fleeing during the past 18 months.... |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 08:17 - Nov 3 with 1436 views | StokieBlue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 22:34 - Nov 2 by gtsb1966 |
Do you honestly think that everyone who wants to come here is doing so because they are fleeing war and persecution. The ones that are yes let's help but you know, I know and the whole world knows that there are many ,especially young men, who are economic migrants and in no danger at home and are here illegally. If you're happy for them to be here illegally that's your choice but I and many millions of others are not. |
The fact that this post which has been repeatedly disassembled has 3 uppies is a poor reflection on some posters on this forum and a good case study in how demonisation is working wonderfully fit the Tories when the problems have actually been created over their 12 years in charge.
SB [Post edited 3 Nov 2022 8:18]
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 08:36 - Nov 3 with 1418 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 20:43 - Nov 2 by factual_blue |
And they don't want them in tory seats in the home counties. |
Ipswich Borough Council don’t want them either. They currently have a high court injunction stopping anymore being housed in Novotel.
They claim it is a change of use, hostel instead of hotel.
It isn’t an easy problem to solve, have some sympathy for the situation Government face but only on this subject.
Any empty houses in you neck of the woods. |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 08:47 - Nov 3 with 1399 views | noggin |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 19:33 - Nov 2 by gtsb1966 |
One of the men, a 29-year-old economics student from Iraq, said he had been held at Manston for 21 days after arriving in the UK by boat. “There were so many people there. They gave food, but only a little,” he said. He said he was told on Tuesday afternoon that he was being taken to London. “We were told we should go to our families or friends. I don’t have any family in the UK,” he said.
That last sentence is why I question why he has risked his life to cross the channel when he could've sought asylum on the European mainland. It's the question many people in this country ask and it's a genuine question . |
"It's the question many people in this country ask and it's a genuine question ."
Many people are either racist or unable to think for themselves then. |  |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 08:49 - Nov 3 with 1392 views | DJR |
The top and bottom of the current crisis is that, having left the EU, we are no longer party to the Dublin Regulation (formerly the Dublin Convention) and are no longer able to return asylum applicants to the country of first entry, or the country where they first made an application for asylum.
Those coming here, and the smuggling gangs, will know this. Hence the increase since we left the EU.
So rather than solving the problem, leaving the EU has made it worse. But no one, not even the Labour Party, ever really emphasises the point.
Sadly, nothing these days is the fault of Brexit in the current political landscape.
EDIT: Another thing I find deplorable is the constant reference to those crossing as being illegal migrants. They are not illegal if they are seeking asylum. But sadly Yvetter Cooper chose not to make this point when she responded to Sue Ellen the other day despite her constant use of the expression. It's almost as if Labour do not want in any way to be seen to be on the side of "illegals". [Post edited 3 Nov 2022 9:07]
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 09:13 - Nov 3 with 1348 views | noggin |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 23:18 - Nov 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Apart from the last one, do you know the answers to your questions?
I wouldn't demonise anyone for trying to get by in a global economic model built on inequality and exploitation. But I will demonise the economic model that encourages this so that the relatively well off can pay less to have their gardens tended, their children looked after and their houses cleaned. All while getting to feel intellectually and morally superior to those at the arse end of the social scale.
And gtsb....kick up! |
This is it isn't it? GTSB and his like seem to have no problem with the rich and powerful not paying their share to the economy. It's far easier to blame poor brown people who take very little, if anything, from the pot. | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 10:19 - Nov 3 with 1322 views | BlueBadger |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 08:47 - Nov 3 by noggin |
"It's the question many people in this country ask and it's a genuine question ."
Many people are either racist or unable to think for themselves then. |
Ah. The two main drivers behind Brexit. | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 10:23 - Nov 3 with 1308 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 08:49 - Nov 3 by DJR |
The top and bottom of the current crisis is that, having left the EU, we are no longer party to the Dublin Regulation (formerly the Dublin Convention) and are no longer able to return asylum applicants to the country of first entry, or the country where they first made an application for asylum.
Those coming here, and the smuggling gangs, will know this. Hence the increase since we left the EU.
So rather than solving the problem, leaving the EU has made it worse. But no one, not even the Labour Party, ever really emphasises the point.
Sadly, nothing these days is the fault of Brexit in the current political landscape.
EDIT: Another thing I find deplorable is the constant reference to those crossing as being illegal migrants. They are not illegal if they are seeking asylum. But sadly Yvetter Cooper chose not to make this point when she responded to Sue Ellen the other day despite her constant use of the expression. It's almost as if Labour do not want in any way to be seen to be on the side of "illegals". [Post edited 3 Nov 2022 9:07]
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Just for clarity regarding your first paragraph....are you suggesting we should if we could? | |
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| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 10:30 - Nov 3 with 1288 views | mylittletown |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 22:34 - Nov 2 by gtsb1966 |
Do you honestly think that everyone who wants to come here is doing so because they are fleeing war and persecution. The ones that are yes let's help but you know, I know and the whole world knows that there are many ,especially young men, who are economic migrants and in no danger at home and are here illegally. If you're happy for them to be here illegally that's your choice but I and many millions of others are not. |
Would you be happy for them to be here legally? |  | | |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 10:39 - Nov 3 with 1275 views | leitrimblue |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 00:00 - Nov 3 by bournemouthblue |
They are of economic migrant origin but then again my surname is Irish, my Great Great Grandad was Irish and a carpentry Navy I believe, I'm sure he faced a fair portion of resentment back in those days |
I'm a economic migrant from Haverhill that escaped to the West of Ireland. Us economic migrants are really not bad people |  | | |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 10:40 - Nov 3 with 1271 views | noggin |
| Asylum seekers dumped in Central London on 10:39 - Nov 3 by leitrimblue |
I'm a economic migrant from Haverhill that escaped to the West of Ireland. Us economic migrants are really not bad people |
Paddy McGinty told me that he couldn't get a GP appointment because of you. | |
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