| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman 14:57 - Nov 23 with 4351 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:10 - Nov 23 with 1384 views | eireblue |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 16:56 - Nov 23 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Especially as there was a really easy answer which would have played to her base very well indeed:
"An East African country? I would encourage them to take the safest route to Rwanda, where our good friends would be able to support them while they needed asylum. If there were a humanitarian crisis in an East African country then we would work with the DEC to support an emergency response in neighbouring countries, and would prioritise aid budgets to ease some of the burden on our partners such as Rwanda." |
Wouldn’t she need to know where Rwanda is to be able to give that answer?
Too big an assumption. |  | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:11 - Nov 23 with 1382 views | noggin |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:09 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
Only in electoral reality born out by results mr, but I really am off now. |
Exactly, simple minds. See Brexit for proof. [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 17:11]
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| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:12 - Nov 23 with 1378 views | DJR |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 15:13 - Nov 23 by cbower |
Almost begging those either side of her to step in and rescue her! A nasty piece of work who clearly doesn't know her stuff well enough to defend her own policies. Let's not forget, Home Secretary is a top government post. Is this the best we have to offer ffs? |
The real insult was her being Attorney General. She just didn't have the gravitas, integrity or ability for what is a very important constitutional post where respect for the rule of law is of primary importance. The contrast between someone like her and, say, Sir Patrick Mayhew is breathtaking. |  | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:13 - Nov 23 with 1367 views | HARRY10 |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 16:06 - Nov 23 by jeera |
Very patient wasn't he, and explained his scenario twice, even though the first attempt was perfectly articulate.
I think you're giving too much credit to her by suggesting she might actually know the answer. She looked uncomfortable being asked 'things' and didn't even seem to understand there might need to be reasons for doing stuff other than for just wanting to realise her own personal freakish dreams. |
I have to disagree there. I am sure she knows and the MP questioning her knows that she knows. A basic tenet of court is that you do not ask a question you do not already know the answer to.
Her blustering was she was all too aware that she could not, but the truth would be highly damaging. Unlike PMQ's where Johnson could and routinely did lie. possible believing that the louder he ranted, the more other MPS (like the british abroad) would understand.
This again is where PR is distracting nonsense. Parliament does function well, only most folk are not even aware of the select committees, never mind seeing what is done.
PMQs should be scrapped and the PM subject to this level of questioning, Whereby MPs can follow up their questions.
Likewise, MPs and lay people can be put on oath if so thought. The penalties for perjury can be severe (see J Archer), which would make them less inclined to lie.
We have allowed things to slip to the level of Johnson, Farage, Trump etc. Lie, lie and lie again. It is not that Farage thought brexit would be good, it is that he openly lied that x would happen *
This would not curtail free speech ? No, we can all tell when an honest mistake has been made and when it is Johnson speaking about supposed levelling up. Dodgy yes, a lie no. His promises about fishing. An absolute lie, as well he knew. Any sanction, no ?
Cretins bleat out newspeak that with Johnson 'it is priced in baa baa'. In reality 'we will accept that he lies'
And there is your answer.
As long as there are enough voters who accept that level of dishonesty then we will get what we have now. A bunch of self serving shysters using Parliament to enhance their chances of illicitly lining their pockets, rather having any concern about voters, and the country in general.
* https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/seb-dance/nigel-farage-seb-dance_b_14591852.htm |  | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:27 - Nov 23 with 1345 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:08 - Nov 23 by noggin |
Liability? Only in simple minds. |
I voted Labour in both of the General Elections that he fought as Leader, but, yes, he was a liability. His policies were mostly more popular than the Tory equivalent, but many people didn't trust, or like, him. That was largely down to a barrage of attacks by the Right Wing Media, but it had an effect. He was tainted goods.
If he had done as Ed Milliband did and stood down after the electorate rejected him then he could have ensured a more appealing, and less easily smeared, Left Wing candidate took over and continued promoting progressive policies. | | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:30 - Nov 23 with 1343 views | noggin |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:27 - Nov 23 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I voted Labour in both of the General Elections that he fought as Leader, but, yes, he was a liability. His policies were mostly more popular than the Tory equivalent, but many people didn't trust, or like, him. That was largely down to a barrage of attacks by the Right Wing Media, but it had an effect. He was tainted goods.
If he had done as Ed Milliband did and stood down after the electorate rejected him then he could have ensured a more appealing, and less easily smeared, Left Wing candidate took over and continued promoting progressive policies. |
You really think the media would have accepted an alternative left wing leader? This was not about Corbyn. [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 17:33]
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| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:40 - Nov 23 with 1315 views | Zapers |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:30 - Nov 23 by noggin |
You really think the media would have accepted an alternative left wing leader? This was not about Corbyn. [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 17:33]
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Still living the dream! | | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:41 - Nov 23 with 1307 views | HARRY10 |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:09 - Nov 23 by giant_stow |
Only in electoral reality born out by results mr, but I really am off now. |
Yes naughty Mr Corbyn trailing by 25 points in the polls then within the space of a few weeks during election campaigning reducing that lead to almost nothing.
Boosting the labour Party numbers by 100,000 as well.
But it can be difficult when it is truth v lies | | | |
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| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:43 - Nov 23 with 1307 views | noggin |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:40 - Nov 23 by Zapers |
Still living the dream! |
Still burying your head? | |
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| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 18:34 - Nov 23 with 1261 views | XYZ |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 17:30 - Nov 23 by noggin |
You really think the media would have accepted an alternative left wing leader? This was not about Corbyn. [Post edited 23 Nov 2022 17:33]
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See Ed Miliband | | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 20:44 - Nov 23 with 1182 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 15:02 - Nov 23 by BlueNomad |
Almost outPateling Patel! |
No almost about it.
She is not being incompetent. It is a deliberate policy to demonise immigrants. There are two targets this Government has had in its sight for a long time - immigrants and the poor. |  |
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| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 20:46 - Nov 23 with 1178 views | XYZ |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 20:44 - Nov 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
No almost about it.
She is not being incompetent. It is a deliberate policy to demonise immigrants. There are two targets this Government has had in its sight for a long time - immigrants and the poor. |
Starmer looks like he might have joined the queue. | | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 13:10 - Nov 24 with 1079 views | HARRY10 |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 20:44 - Nov 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
No almost about it.
She is not being incompetent. It is a deliberate policy to demonise immigrants. There are two targets this Government has had in its sight for a long time - immigrants and the poor. |
With little else going for them the Tories are left with trying to find some scapegoat as a distraction.
Braverman just happens to be stupid enough to spot what is needed. Problem being as with the Monty Python sketch where the man claims to have written all the works of Shakespeare then when it is pointed out that he is only 37 and the plays were written 400 years ago, replie
"I was rather hoping you wouldn't ask that question"
And there in lies Bravermans stupidity. Not in that supposedly she did not know the answer, but that she was dumbe enough to think that she would not be asked about legal routes to claiming asylum.
And when questioned she was faced with either having to tell a bare faced lie or try to pass the buck.
The problem is we have a government of incompetents appointed for internal reasons, not any competence.....Dorries, Truss, Rees-Mogg, Hancock, Braverman....etc.
There are in effect two parties within the Tories and whichever holds the reins (PM) is obliged to pander the other, hence the bizarre ministerial appointments. You might just as well have a rugby club where both codes are coached to the same players.
It is a farkin shambles, barely held together by Hunt. | | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 13:39 - Nov 24 with 1040 views | Churchman |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 15:48 - Nov 23 by jeera |
Goes well with a Brexit secretary who didn't understand the significance of the Dover-Calais crossing.
A Transport Secretary who gave ferrying contracts to a firm with no ferries.
A Culture/Media Secretary who didn't know Ch.4 wasn't licence payer funded.
Just a few examples that spring to mind.
It's almost as though BJ surrounded himself with people who don't know what they're doing. |
How about a Cabinet who had to have explained to them one Sunday at Chequers what the Single Market and Customs Union were two years after the 2016 vote and less than a year before the first exit date (March 2019)? |  | | |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 14:40 - Nov 24 with 1012 views | itfc_bucks |
| The evil incompetence of Suella Braverman on 16:42 - Nov 23 by factual_blue |
She should be addressed by her actual forename, which is Sue-Ellen. |
Not defending her in the slightest, she's a thoroughly reprehensible human being, but did we end up doing that for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel? | | | |
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