| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! 14:28 - Dec 3 with 10513 views | cbower |
Gutted we didn't win last night but the bed wetting about dropping out of top two was unnecessary. |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:02 - Dec 4 with 1479 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 22:50 - Dec 4 by positivity |
i think you're right, the "over-pitch heating" was the cheap short-term option |
I'd love to know how that's worked out financially... they can't be cheap to run. |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:05 - Dec 4 with 1466 views | positivity |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:02 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
I'd love to know how that's worked out financially... they can't be cheap to run. |
the short-term option often works out more expensive in the long run! |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:14 - Dec 4 with 1454 views | positivity |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 22:57 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
You don't think the owners have an expectation of promotion? They don't spend what they are with just hope of promotion. It's a minimum target. Only they know how long the current manager has to achieve it.. but personally I can't see it being a long term goal.
Mark steed kinda made the point when he said they'd sent Mark Ashton the money, now was the time to start seeing some results etc.
If you are a small club with no financial backing. Promotion or being competitive is a hope
When you are given money to get the club promoted then regardless of what other sides do.. you expect promotion.
See it this way
You hire a new sales manager. You give him money to finance the best sales team possible and achieve the highest sales in ipswich.
There are 4 other companies doing the same
Your expectations don't change. You've given him the tools to achieve what you want him to. It's upto him to do so. Doesn't matter if there's other sales teams with similar backing. You've been given the tools to do what's asked. |
i see what you're saying, but there's different models.
if you want instant success, you go for a neil warnock, a mcgoldrick, a hourihane, over-pitch air blowers.
if you're going for long-term success you go for a young manager and players with potential to improve.
promotion is the expectation, as it is for the other 4 similar companies in your example, currently we're achieving the expectation, whereas the others aren't.
whether it's a deal-breaker for this season remains to be seen, but i think a 3rd placed finish hampered by injuries wouldn't see them press the panic button. time will tell | |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:19 - Dec 4 with 1448 views | PhilTWTD |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 22:50 - Dec 4 by positivity |
i think you're right, the "over-pitch heating" was the cheap short-term option |
It wasn't that, Alan Ferguson having felt that undersoil heating would have damaged the root of the grass at the time, which was pre-ME. Other than being a long-term aim after promotion along with other deep-down pitch work, there was never a plan to install undersoil heating under ME. |  | | |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:48 - Dec 4 with 1400 views | Ryorry |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 23:19 - Dec 4 by PhilTWTD |
It wasn't that, Alan Ferguson having felt that undersoil heating would have damaged the root of the grass at the time, which was pre-ME. Other than being a long-term aim after promotion along with other deep-down pitch work, there was never a plan to install undersoil heating under ME. |
Cheers for the info Phil. |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 07:12 - Dec 5 with 1342 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 22:48 - Dec 4 by positivity |
you're tying yourself in knots here, first you say it's all nonsense, then you claim it backs up your argument...
i looked for a non-partisan comparator, that's all that came up on google, i asked if you had better evidence - no reply!
you seem to think we're a special case in this league, the evidence doesn't point to that, only your own confirmation bias, as you're viewing things through the prism of being an itfc supporter rather than an impartial observer
it's not surprising that 35 year old didzy has less of a sell-on market value than whichever 20-something of ours you compare him too, but his current quality and experience make him very valuable, hence the high renumeration. if the only aim was promotion in double-quick time i'd love to be able to afford him. |
I haven’t tied myself in anything, the last sentence was quite obviously taking the p*ss but clearly that flew straight over your head
I’ve already provided evidence that our budget is far and away higher than the division using actual spend. You replied with some ‘evidence’ that is nonsense, and then said you weren’t claiming it was accurate anyway. If it helps though the last club accounts for 2020-21 showed us as having the second highest wage bill in the division (behind Sunderland who are no longer in the division) and that was before the last 2 Summers outlined in my previous posts
I don’t know why me being an Ipswich fan makes you think I have confirmation bias. If anything I’d say it was more likely to make me think the opposite - I’d wager that the % of Ipswich fans that don’t think we have the highest budget in the league is far higher than the rest of the league
I also have no idea why you seem to be under the impression the likes of McGoldrick and Hourihane are on massive wages. Both players were out of contract with limited options, and Derby had to get sign off from the EFL that signings were affordable as part of the terms of their embargo being lifted in the Summer. Obviously we don’t know for certain what individual players are paid but I’m pretty comfortable standing by my assertion that we have higher paid players |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 07:32 - Dec 5 with 1335 views | textbackup |
Bed wetting…
We played sht, and conceded another late goal, taking tally to 13 dropped points for the season.
If fans can’t be pissed off about that what’s the point in following a team? |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 08:17 - Dec 5 with 1280 views | mrfixit426 |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 11:47 - Dec 4 by FrimleyBlue |
Don't discuss football on a forum then. This isn't a place for experienced and knowledgeable football coaches. Its a bunch of ipswich supporters.
You say we aren't spending like man City in league 1. We spent 1.5 mill on a defender.. that Is absolutely crazy for this level.
BTW. You don't need to take anyone seriously. It might stop you getting worked up. |
I'm not getting worked up over anything. It's the entitled know-it-alls like you that seem to be throwing their toys out of the pram when everything isn't perfect in every game.
Inflating the fee paid for Davis to prove a point just proves another point. You're clueless. |  | | |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 08:50 - Dec 5 with 1254 views | jayessess |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 07:32 - Dec 5 by textbackup |
Bed wetting…
We played sht, and conceded another late goal, taking tally to 13 dropped points for the season.
If fans can’t be pissed off about that what’s the point in following a team? |
"Being pissed off" is the point of following a team? |  |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 09:58 - Dec 5 with 1218 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 16:44 - Dec 3 by Cuffy81 |
Oh I was absolutely furious, mainly because you could see it coming.
We have conceded a lot of late goals recently which adds to the frustration, I honestly think our toughest games will be ones like last night where teams stay in the game
I think we are tiring, injuries have reduced our options, especially to change things from the bench but I back McKenna to get us through December picking up enough to be right in the mix, then recruit well in January.
There will be ups and downs, we are Ipswich Town we rarely do it easy |
I posted before last week that every win with our current injury list is a bonus. Yes, we have a big squad of fairly consistent standard, but we have a (very talented) kid in Central Midfield, which is the most important position, especially in our system which overloads width and under-mans the centre.
With a full squad Humphreys could be coming on for 15 or 20 minutes to give Evans a rest to keep things fresh and the intensity high in Central midfield.
With Evans and Ball out it is not surprising that we are unable to maintain intensity and possession dominance in the last 15 minutes when the opposition are chasing the game and going direct.
Had we bought an uninjured, athletic, box to box midfielder, rather than Camara, then things might have been different. As it is we are down to bare bones, with even Aluko, who might have been an option in CM to see a game out, injured at the same time. | | | |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 10:01 - Dec 5 with 1203 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 08:17 - Dec 5 by mrfixit426 |
I'm not getting worked up over anything. It's the entitled know-it-alls like you that seem to be throwing their toys out of the pram when everything isn't perfect in every game.
Inflating the fee paid for Davis to prove a point just proves another point. You're clueless. |
Bless you. So angry.
Where's the inflation of the Davis fee? Twtd and others reported it as a 1 mill plus 500k top up. = 1.5 mill.
If you can show another club spending the same on a left back in league 1. I'll happily take my comment back.... [Post edited 5 Dec 2022 10:09]
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 11:40 - Dec 5 with 1108 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 11:16 - Dec 5 by BiGDonnie |
Take all your comments back.
And you username and password while you're at it  |
Morning Donnie. | |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 11:44 - Dec 5 with 1098 views | cbower |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 07:32 - Dec 5 by textbackup |
Bed wetting…
We played sht, and conceded another late goal, taking tally to 13 dropped points for the season.
If fans can’t be pissed off about that what’s the point in following a team? |
Firstly I said I was gutted, in other words I too was 'pi$$ed off!'.
However, when some posted nonsense about Town 'not bothering the top 2' for the rest of the season (Broadhill I think) and several others getting het up about us (definitely!!!!) dropping to 3rd when Wednesday beat Derby (which they didn't), I just wanted to point out that we are still 2nd, one point closer to the top. Even had Wednesday won, we would still only have been 1 point off top! If yo object to the term 'bed wetting ' then so be it. The reaction of some was over the top imho. Yep, it's annoying the points dropped but being potentially 3rd, a point off top would not have been such a big deal with 26 games to go, would it? | |
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| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 14:15 - Dec 5 with 986 views | positivity |
| Oooh we're still 2nd and a point closer to top! on 07:12 - Dec 5 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
I haven’t tied myself in anything, the last sentence was quite obviously taking the p*ss but clearly that flew straight over your head
I’ve already provided evidence that our budget is far and away higher than the division using actual spend. You replied with some ‘evidence’ that is nonsense, and then said you weren’t claiming it was accurate anyway. If it helps though the last club accounts for 2020-21 showed us as having the second highest wage bill in the division (behind Sunderland who are no longer in the division) and that was before the last 2 Summers outlined in my previous posts
I don’t know why me being an Ipswich fan makes you think I have confirmation bias. If anything I’d say it was more likely to make me think the opposite - I’d wager that the % of Ipswich fans that don’t think we have the highest budget in the league is far higher than the rest of the league
I also have no idea why you seem to be under the impression the likes of McGoldrick and Hourihane are on massive wages. Both players were out of contract with limited options, and Derby had to get sign off from the EFL that signings were affordable as part of the terms of their embargo being lifted in the Summer. Obviously we don’t know for certain what individual players are paid but I’m pretty comfortable standing by my assertion that we have higher paid players |
where's this comparative evidence you speak of? is it playing budget or including all the off the field stuff that makin lists? 2020/21 is a while ago, several teams have come down with championship squads since then!
we have confirmation bias as we know something of our wage bill, but very little of others. are you just basing this on comments from the cowleys, the chequebook fc excuses that they come out with?
as you say, you "don't know for certain that our players are higher paid than others", let alone that we're so far ahead that we're the man city of this league!!
hourihane & mcgoldrick are quality players and would have plenty of suitors if derby hadn't come in. they were over a barrel needing to sign proven quality quickly, highly likely that they had to pay market rates if not a premium | |
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