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If it is the play-offs... on 15:56 - Jan 15 by iamatractorboy
Plus, the really early goal conceded vs West Ham at home in 04/05 was during the regular league fixture, not the playoff. If memory serves, wasn't it 2 fairly late Zamora goals that did for us in the playoff?
Pretty sure this is the keeper mistake - 1st of Jan 2005. We were top of the league at this point and went downhill from here to finish 3rd. Sounds familiar......
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If it is the play-offs... on 16:15 - Jan 15 with 1525 views
If it is the play-offs... on 13:52 - Jan 15 by ringwoodblue
I know they add a bit of spice to the end of the season and there are some financial incentives but I think the play-offs should be scrapped as it’s unfair for a team who performs much better over the whole season to lose to a team who have performed less well in a two-legged or sudden death match.
Look at what they’ve done to MK Dons. Third last season, lost in the play-off lottery and they could now be playing in the Championship rather than at risk of being relegated to Lg2. Hopefully that’s not us next season.
Agree totally. The playoffs are just another way of screwing the devoted supporters of their hard earnt and to satisfy the Wembley coffers. How many times do you see a team putting a run together scraping into the top six only to be promoted at the expense of a team 10 or 15 points above them. But it's up to us to make sure we don't end up in this playoff lottery. Those that don't perform to a certain standard need replacing, either by those on the sidelines or by new recruits. We need a run of wins with no blips. It's time for the players to stand up and be counted. The fans are giving them every support possible. To fail is not an option.
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If it is the play-offs... on 16:30 - Jan 15 with 1489 views
If it is the play-offs... on 14:06 - Jan 15 by HandsomeMike
Trouble is if Plymouth continue to draw away and win at home they will win 98 points. Yes they will surely drop some more points at home, but they will also bag a few wins away. I see them potentially losing at Sheff Weds, dropping points at home against Derby, and perhaps struggling at Barnsley, but otherwise I think we have to assume they will win most of the rest of their games. The expected drop off is not happening and the influx of players over the transfer windows mean it will not happen. With Wednesday firing on all cylinders I think we need 95 points go up. Extraordinary but there it is. Play offs most likely outcome.
When you look down the form table and see that we've only got 6 out of the last 15 available points, it's very difficult to make a coherent argument for us coming good.
If it is the play-offs... on 16:13 - Jan 15 by squiz
Pretty sure this is the keeper mistake - 1st of Jan 2005. We were top of the league at this point and went downhill from here to finish 3rd. Sounds familiar......
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I think we may actually have been 6 pts clear as late as Feb/March, then proceeded to lose 3 in a row (obviously one of these being Watford, who seemed to beat us constantly at that time).
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If it is the play-offs... on 05:28 - Jan 16 with 1392 views
Because everyone is indulging in hypotheticals I will say yes. We have 4 months and 20 games to work on weaknesses. We’re in a transfer window that has focused on attacking players. If we have to line up in the playoffs we will be the best team there and we will take that route out of L1.
For general interest. I tend to block those that use the immortal line:
“with our level of investment we should be top of the league.”
Not because the investment hasnt been high, its more because it demonstrates such a limited understanding of football and all it takes to be successful. It’s not worth reading this level of analysis, it clutters threads and there are folks that have something useful to add which gets lost. I can see for myself we’ve invested and where we are deficient.
No, not a chance. Might as well concede in the semi’s.
Don’t be daft, of course we’ve got a chance. Very few teams have outplayed us this season and we’ve more than held our own against all the other current top 6 teams. Plus we have another half season to see where we are.
I actually think being the chasers rather than the chased will show us a huge amount about this team. We have to let go of all notions of what we thought about the team as bottlers in previous seasons - all that stuff has gone now. Different players, different manager, different backroom staff. There is no possibility that what happened 2, 3 or more seasons ago will affect this current group.
If things end up as they stand now we’d have to go in as hot favourites.
I think our formula is primarily set up to perform well over the whole season. And ,perhaps less prepared for those one off matches.. However , I'm sure the promotion race will be a tightly fought race. With several "cup final" type games on rout. So, we may well be better mentally equipped to deal with knock out games. Should we have to, by then. End of season form will be massive..Its one thing going into the play offs off the back of 3 defeats. Completely different off the back of 3 straight wins...Unlike some, I'd be quite confident of getting through the play offs. It's not a lottery, as people like to put it. It's 3 games of football..
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If it is the play-offs... on 12:23 - Jan 16 with 1232 views
If it is the play-offs... on 16:43 - Jan 15 by iamatractorboy
I think we may actually have been 6 pts clear as late as Feb/March, then proceeded to lose 3 in a row (obviously one of these being Watford, who seemed to beat us constantly at that time).
Kuqi got injured from a month from memory, that made a big difference
We were 6 points clear but Wigan and Sunderland never relented, managed by MM and Jewell
It was very much a three horse race, like this season and we all know how that finished
West Ham were a real bogey side for us
Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
If it is the play-offs... on 12:23 - Jan 16 by itfcjoe
No, we may as well just give up now and get refreshed for next season - play the U21s until May.
The biggest mental fragility here is in our fan base
Not surprising is it?
Ignoring the champ years of nothingness. League 1 has given us League leaders to dropping away. Nothingness then this season League leaders to 3rd and dropping away again with no back to back wins since October, 15 points from 30 available
You think we've signed what we need yet Ones not in the 18. One moved a bed and pulled a hamstring .
I don't personally think you can blame a fan base for having such a lack of trust.
If it is the play-offs... on 12:42 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue
Not surprising is it?
Ignoring the champ years of nothingness. League 1 has given us League leaders to dropping away. Nothingness then this season League leaders to 3rd and dropping away again with no back to back wins since October, 15 points from 30 available
You think we've signed what we need yet Ones not in the 18. One moved a bed and pulled a hamstring .
I don't personally think you can blame a fan base for having such a lack of trust.
Talking about dropping away, we've fallen to less than 2 points per game for the first time this season, it's an incredible pace and we've struggled to keep up with it for last few weeks but plenty of mitigating circumstances like massive illness through the camp and having the misfortune of having 3 away games out of 4 over the Xmas period when that is going on.
There seems a large section of our fanbase who just can't wait for us to drop away, life must be easier being mediocre for them, if people are this doom mongering in their daily life I can't see how they can get through the day - literally any setback and they would just give up.
The milk has gone off, best go back to bed this week and start again next Monday as nothing is going right
If it is the play-offs... on 12:42 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue
Not surprising is it?
Ignoring the champ years of nothingness. League 1 has given us League leaders to dropping away. Nothingness then this season League leaders to 3rd and dropping away again with no back to back wins since October, 15 points from 30 available
You think we've signed what we need yet Ones not in the 18. One moved a bed and pulled a hamstring .
I don't personally think you can blame a fan base for having such a lack of trust.
You absolutely can blame a fanbase for defaulting to world ending scenarios.
People take individual responsibility for their own words and actions. Individuals choose to go to a football match and cheer, support or moan and boo. Individuals choose what to write on social media spreading and contributing an overly negative mood when everyone can see things with there own eyes or holding back from being absorbed in eco chambers hearing back only more negatively when it was probably out of context in the first place.
The club reset nearly 18months ago but some fans are fixated on the past rather than the future.
On the matter of trust, not sure what more the club could do to be transparent and open on their plans and aims for on the pitch. There are no guarantees in football. If it doesn’t work this year, there will be change it’s constant then we start again with the same high standards and aims for getting out of L1.
Do we really need to go down that road of questioning everything game by game again when the season outcome is what’s important?
If it is the play-offs... on 12:48 - Jan 16 by itfcjoe
Talking about dropping away, we've fallen to less than 2 points per game for the first time this season, it's an incredible pace and we've struggled to keep up with it for last few weeks but plenty of mitigating circumstances like massive illness through the camp and having the misfortune of having 3 away games out of 4 over the Xmas period when that is going on.
There seems a large section of our fanbase who just can't wait for us to drop away, life must be easier being mediocre for them, if people are this doom mongering in their daily life I can't see how they can get through the day - literally any setback and they would just give up.
The milk has gone off, best go back to bed this week and start again next Monday as nothing is going right
Re your second paragraph, was making this same observation with a mate after the game on Saturday, it really is pathetic. I know football makes people emotional but it really is baffling how irrational and negative people can be - I know a couple of people in pretty high powered jobs that are the amongst the worst for it too. They can't be like that in day to day life or they wouldn't function/survive.
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If it is the play-offs... on 13:17 - Jan 16 with 1086 views
If it is the play-offs... on 12:48 - Jan 16 by itfcjoe
Talking about dropping away, we've fallen to less than 2 points per game for the first time this season, it's an incredible pace and we've struggled to keep up with it for last few weeks but plenty of mitigating circumstances like massive illness through the camp and having the misfortune of having 3 away games out of 4 over the Xmas period when that is going on.
There seems a large section of our fanbase who just can't wait for us to drop away, life must be easier being mediocre for them, if people are this doom mongering in their daily life I can't see how they can get through the day - literally any setback and they would just give up.
The milk has gone off, best go back to bed this week and start again next Monday as nothing is going right
It's a strange obsession one section of the fan base has in its expectation that others are wanting failure. Its rather bizarre. If we are on here moaning or at the game moaning it's because we want success so I will never understand why you and others continue with that random thought that we can't wait for us to drop off. What I'd like is for town to crack on and get a run of wins together.
We all want the same thing.
But we've had many years of "only 3 points off play offs to now only 9 points off play offs. "Still 4 ahead of Wednesday. Now 4 behind
Think what you like. That's fine. Everyone's entitled. But how can you really be shocked with a % of the fan base not feeling positive.
If it is the play-offs... on 12:59 - Jan 16 by PioneerBlue
You absolutely can blame a fanbase for defaulting to world ending scenarios.
People take individual responsibility for their own words and actions. Individuals choose to go to a football match and cheer, support or moan and boo. Individuals choose what to write on social media spreading and contributing an overly negative mood when everyone can see things with there own eyes or holding back from being absorbed in eco chambers hearing back only more negatively when it was probably out of context in the first place.
The club reset nearly 18months ago but some fans are fixated on the past rather than the future.
On the matter of trust, not sure what more the club could do to be transparent and open on their plans and aims for on the pitch. There are no guarantees in football. If it doesn’t work this year, there will be change it’s constant then we start again with the same high standards and aims for getting out of L1.
Do we really need to go down that road of questioning everything game by game again when the season outcome is what’s important?
"Do we really need to go down that road of questioning everything game by game again when the season outcome is what’s important?"
That's what a football forum is for is it not. Discuss moan. Share in the good moments. Moan at the bad.
Otherwise what's the point of a forum. Unless you chance the terms to "only discuss the season at the end, in the meantime talk about other clubs only but not town.
If it is the play-offs... on 13:17 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue
It's a strange obsession one section of the fan base has in its expectation that others are wanting failure. Its rather bizarre. If we are on here moaning or at the game moaning it's because we want success so I will never understand why you and others continue with that random thought that we can't wait for us to drop off. What I'd like is for town to crack on and get a run of wins together.
We all want the same thing.
But we've had many years of "only 3 points off play offs to now only 9 points off play offs. "Still 4 ahead of Wednesday. Now 4 behind
Think what you like. That's fine. Everyone's entitled. But how can you really be shocked with a % of the fan base not feeling positive.
I’m not shocked I just think it’s a bit pathetic that a team that has lost 3 games in 26 is being treated like a team who is sitting in mid table
If it is the play-offs... on 13:35 - Jan 16 by itfcjoe
I’m not shocked I just think it’s a bit pathetic that a team that has lost 3 games in 26 is being treated like a team who is sitting in mid table
i think its gone beyond a knee jerk reaction now, something like 11 points from 6 games, had people got worried after a loss at wycombe i'd understand them being laughed at.... but theres a horrible trend setting in.
If it is the play-offs... on 13:35 - Jan 16 by itfcjoe
I’m not shocked I just think it’s a bit pathetic that a team that has lost 3 games in 26 is being treated like a team who is sitting in mid table
But they aren't being treated like they are sitting midtable.
And as I've said in the past, Hull lost 11 games whilst winning league 1. No one has bemoaned the excellent record of only 3 losses. We could go all season not losing another game and still end up behind the top guys if we don't turn the draws into wins.
See I think it's strong for you to say it's pathetic of people to be unhappy with recent form. I could say you're pathetic for happy clapping continued failures to win games but that's not right as its your view and fair play for being positive.
The problem Joe is the anger. No one shows you or others of similar minds any anger at your thoughts, I don't agree with them but they are yours to have and as I've said to many, I hope both sides of the fence are celebrating in the summer.
If it is the play-offs... on 13:42 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue
But they aren't being treated like they are sitting midtable.
And as I've said in the past, Hull lost 11 games whilst winning league 1. No one has bemoaned the excellent record of only 3 losses. We could go all season not losing another game and still end up behind the top guys if we don't turn the draws into wins.
See I think it's strong for you to say it's pathetic of people to be unhappy with recent form. I could say you're pathetic for happy clapping continued failures to win games but that's not right as its your view and fair play for being positive.
The problem Joe is the anger. No one shows you or others of similar minds any anger at your thoughts, I don't agree with them but they are yours to have and as I've said to many, I hope both sides of the fence are celebrating in the summer.
Agreed. Seems to have been a shift from last season when at the start of the season with Cook it was promotion or bust.
Having spent a decent amount in the summer and then backed that up again this window, does the same apply to KM? Not that I'm advocating that he's sacked if we don't go up but anything less than promotion or even top 2 is a failure. Yes the top 2 are setting a high pace this year, but it was the same last season and our resources outweigh every side in this division and in most cases it'll be 3, 4 or 5 times other sides budgets.
If it is the play-offs... on 13:51 - Jan 16 by ITFCBlues
Agreed. Seems to have been a shift from last season when at the start of the season with Cook it was promotion or bust.
Having spent a decent amount in the summer and then backed that up again this window, does the same apply to KM? Not that I'm advocating that he's sacked if we don't go up but anything less than promotion or even top 2 is a failure. Yes the top 2 are setting a high pace this year, but it was the same last season and our resources outweigh every side in this division and in most cases it'll be 3, 4 or 5 times other sides budgets.
It's interesting how the thoughts have changed.
Many who said gelling wasn't a thing. Have used illnesses as a reason for our results.
Not saying illness isn't. But surely the opinion should stand for both situations? That results mattered regardless of the situation..
If it is the play-offs... on 13:42 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue
But they aren't being treated like they are sitting midtable.
And as I've said in the past, Hull lost 11 games whilst winning league 1. No one has bemoaned the excellent record of only 3 losses. We could go all season not losing another game and still end up behind the top guys if we don't turn the draws into wins.
See I think it's strong for you to say it's pathetic of people to be unhappy with recent form. I could say you're pathetic for happy clapping continued failures to win games but that's not right as its your view and fair play for being positive.
The problem Joe is the anger. No one shows you or others of similar minds any anger at your thoughts, I don't agree with them but they are yours to have and as I've said to many, I hope both sides of the fence are celebrating in the summer.
I didn't say it is pathetic to be unhappy with recent form, I'm sure everyone connected with Ipswich is unhappy with the recent results
If it is the play-offs... on 13:51 - Jan 16 by ITFCBlues
Agreed. Seems to have been a shift from last season when at the start of the season with Cook it was promotion or bust.
Having spent a decent amount in the summer and then backed that up again this window, does the same apply to KM? Not that I'm advocating that he's sacked if we don't go up but anything less than promotion or even top 2 is a failure. Yes the top 2 are setting a high pace this year, but it was the same last season and our resources outweigh every side in this division and in most cases it'll be 3, 4 or 5 times other sides budgets.
The difference was under Cook we were so far away from the play offs by the start of November the season was over, opposed to now where we are right up there.
Failing to get promotion will be a failure this season, but if we get 90 points and miss out it's a very different type of failure than being 15 points off the top 6 or whatever we were when Cook was here
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