| Mark Ashton 14:00 - Jan 15 with 5228 views | DJR |
One of the things I understood about Ashton is that he likes to acquire players with a view to selling them on at a large profit.
But apart from possibly Davis (who perhaps is not good enough defensively), I am not sure there is any player whose value has increased since we acquired them. Walton might have fallen into that category at one time, but I am not sure he would do now. And players like Edwards and Harper certainly don't fit the bill.
Interestingly, the one player in our squad who seems to have the highest ceiling is our very own Cameron Humphreys. |  | | |  |
| Mark Ashton on 14:05 - Jan 15 with 4433 views | Dubtractor |
Burns has clearly gone up in value. |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 14:06 - Jan 15 with 4404 views | Keno |
| Mark Ashton on 14:05 - Jan 15 by Dubtractor |
Burns has clearly gone up in value. |
Chappers too |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 14:07 - Jan 15 with 4395 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 14:05 - Jan 15 by Dubtractor |
Burns has clearly gone up in value. |
I might have said that last season, but I am not sure about this. And to my mind we wouldn't be talking about a large increase. | | | |
| Mark Ashton on 14:08 - Jan 15 with 4376 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 14:06 - Jan 15 by Keno |
Chappers too |
But he was a Championship player to start with, so I am not sure he fits the Ashton model.
EDIT: perhaps I should have said "increased by enough to make much of a profit". [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 14:11]
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| Mark Ashton on 14:14 - Jan 15 with 4296 views | Keno |
| Mark Ashton on 14:08 - Jan 15 by DJR |
But he was a Championship player to start with, so I am not sure he fits the Ashton model.
EDIT: perhaps I should have said "increased by enough to make much of a profit". [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 14:11]
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If transfer market is to believed ..... yes I know....
we paid £875k and he is now worth £1.2mill [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 14:15]
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| Mark Ashton on 14:20 - Jan 15 with 4243 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 14:14 - Jan 15 by Keno |
If transfer market is to believed ..... yes I know....
we paid £875k and he is now worth £1.2mill [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 14:15]
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But we're still not talking megabucks given I believe we sold Adam Webster for £3.6 million rising to £8 million. | | | |
| Mark Ashton on 14:21 - Jan 15 with 4242 views | J2BLUE |
I think they were very much signed to get us up now and with a long term view.
I think you're also being very harsh on a lot of our players. |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 14:23 - Jan 15 with 4202 views | Keno |
| Mark Ashton on 14:20 - Jan 15 by DJR |
But we're still not talking megabucks given I believe we sold Adam Webster for £3.6 million rising to £8 million. |
Thats true
but I'll happily take £325k from you! haha!! | |
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| Mark Ashton on 14:31 - Jan 15 with 4108 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 14:21 - Jan 15 by J2BLUE |
I think they were very much signed to get us up now and with a long term view.
I think you're also being very harsh on a lot of our players. |
Sorry, I'm not trying to be harsh. It's just that I thought the Ashton model was to create a successful team but also to increase the value of the investment for the owners by spotting players with a lot of potential and selling them on in due course for a large sum.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I thought that was the philosophy when we signed people like Edwards and Harper, and I realise it can be a long term thing as well. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 14:34]
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| Mark Ashton on 14:34 - Jan 15 with 4064 views | Keno |
| Mark Ashton on 14:31 - Jan 15 by DJR |
Sorry, I'm not trying to be harsh. It's just that I thought the Ashton model was to create a successful team but also to increase the value of the investment for the owners by spotting players with a lot of potential and selling them on in due course for a large sum.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I thought that was the philosophy when we signed people like Edwards and Harper, and I realise it can be a long term thing as well. [Post edited 15 Jan 2023 14:34]
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I think the first step is to get us out of the god forsaken wilderness that is Norfolk...sorry League 1 | |
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| Mark Ashton on 14:36 - Jan 15 with 4046 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 14:34 - Jan 15 by Keno |
I think the first step is to get us out of the god forsaken wilderness that is Norfolk...sorry League 1 |
Yes, I'm obviously getting ahead of ourselves, and focusing on an aspect which is of no real interest to us as fans. | | | |
| Mark Ashton on 14:54 - Jan 15 with 3895 views | Keno |
| Mark Ashton on 14:36 - Jan 15 by DJR |
Yes, I'm obviously getting ahead of ourselves, and focusing on an aspect which is of no real interest to us as fans. |
As a Town fan is it too much to ask to have some nice shiny good luck?
a winning goal for us in last minute that comes via a bizarre deflection of the a players arse
a ref who gives a bizarre decision or to in out favour
this season we feel a bit like the 'team of the damned' | |
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| Mark Ashton on 20:13 - Jan 15 with 3358 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Mark Ashton on 14:20 - Jan 15 by DJR |
But we're still not talking megabucks given I believe we sold Adam Webster for £3.6 million rising to £8 million. |
L1 and Championship markets are different. You're not going to sell players for megabucks.
I also think Ashton's remit is different at Town. We don't need to be so much of a selling club. That's not to say we won't sell players at a certain point if time if the money is right.
He's also not been here that long. The first complete rebuild wasn't son through any data driven stuff. It was a needs must exercise. I think moving forward we will see more of the Leif type signings. Broadhead was a decent fee but if he scores goals his value will increase. |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 20:45 - Jan 15 with 3160 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Mark Ashton on 14:06 - Jan 15 by Keno |
Chappers too |
Has he though? Maybe marginally but it’s hard to envisage anyone really buying him for the sort of fee we paid for him
In an imaginary world where we were trying to sell the squad off tomorrow he isn’t likely to be considered a target for most sides in the Championship and no one other than us in League One has any money, so I don’t see how he can really be considered to have increased in value |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 20:50 - Jan 15 with 3119 views | ParisBlue |
12 months ago Edmundson would be on this list.
But really this model only works if we're in thr Championship. |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 21:11 - Jan 15 with 2987 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 20:13 - Jan 15 by Nutkins_Return |
L1 and Championship markets are different. You're not going to sell players for megabucks.
I also think Ashton's remit is different at Town. We don't need to be so much of a selling club. That's not to say we won't sell players at a certain point if time if the money is right.
He's also not been here that long. The first complete rebuild wasn't son through any data driven stuff. It was a needs must exercise. I think moving forward we will see more of the Leif type signings. Broadhead was a decent fee but if he scores goals his value will increase. |
Those are fair points. | | | |
| Mark Ashton on 07:35 - Jan 16 with 2535 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Well yes - and the Cook signings seem to be the high water mark. Some of the McKenna signings have been very strange given all the number crunching and backroom expertise involved | |
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| Mark Ashton on 09:16 - Jan 16 with 2313 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 07:35 - Jan 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
Well yes - and the Cook signings seem to be the high water mark. Some of the McKenna signings have been very strange given all the number crunching and backroom expertise involved |
Yes, it does look on reflection that we didn't recruit as well in the summer as you might have thought we would. And it looks like Plymouth, for example, did recruit better than us, if you look at players like Mumba and Whitaker. Indeed, it's interesting to note that the five players they've recruited in the January window are aged 20-22. | | | |
| Mark Ashton on 09:26 - Jan 16 with 2223 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Mark Ashton on 07:35 - Jan 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
Well yes - and the Cook signings seem to be the high water mark. Some of the McKenna signings have been very strange given all the number crunching and backroom expertise involved |
Apart from Davis. Have any signings under KM been an improvement on what we had?
I'm not putting any blame on KM here btw all he can do is ask for profiles.
But..
Freddie. I like him. Always have. But improvement in norwood?
Harness... celina ( end of day you have to compare)
Camara... erm
Leigh.... Penney ( I liked leigh but he now seems redundant)
Ahadme.... Pigott
Luongo. Doesn't even make the 18 |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 09:37 - Jan 16 with 2187 views | gringoblue |
| Mark Ashton on 09:26 - Jan 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Apart from Davis. Have any signings under KM been an improvement on what we had?
I'm not putting any blame on KM here btw all he can do is ask for profiles.
But..
Freddie. I like him. Always have. But improvement in norwood?
Harness... celina ( end of day you have to compare)
Camara... erm
Leigh.... Penney ( I liked leigh but he now seems redundant)
Ahadme.... Pigott
Luongo. Doesn't even make the 18 |
With last season's players we finished 11th in League One.
With this season's players we are currently 3rd in League One. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 9:55]
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| Mark Ashton on 09:37 - Jan 16 with 2188 views | itfcjoe |
It can't really happen in L1 for the big fees but do agree with general point - something like £1.5m for a Broadhead at 25 and you won't see any of that back barring a miracle season in Champ.
It's obviously harder to get those players to drop down into L1, Davis chase was hard, as was fruitless Hirst chase - but bar Edmundson coming back and coming good I can't see any profits there for last years signings. Burns could have been but has now signed bumper deal which puts him out of reach for most clubs even in league above |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 09:39 - Jan 16 with 2166 views | Bobbychase |
| Mark Ashton on 09:16 - Jan 16 by DJR |
Yes, it does look on reflection that we didn't recruit as well in the summer as you might have thought we would. And it looks like Plymouth, for example, did recruit better than us, if you look at players like Mumba and Whitaker. Indeed, it's interesting to note that the five players they've recruited in the January window are aged 20-22. |
Neither of which they own, so there's no long-term "value" to Plymouth |  |
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| Mark Ashton on 10:16 - Jan 16 with 1999 views | OldFart71 |
It may be the policy later on. Don't think it necessarily applies now. Exception may be Davies, but don't see a huge increase in value given we paid a mill for him. I do believe at present the main aim is promotion. Whether that happens depends on these last twenty games. | | | |
| Mark Ashton on 11:14 - Jan 16 with 1879 views | DJR |
| Mark Ashton on 09:39 - Jan 16 by Bobbychase |
Neither of which they own, so there's no long-term "value" to Plymouth |
That may be true, but I was responding to a comment about whether we had recruited well in the summer, the main aim of which was to secure promotion. | | | |
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