| If we fail to go up this season 17:17 - Jan 21 with 6700 views | KieranMcKenna1 |
Will Mckenna still be here? |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 18:50 - Jan 21 with 1425 views | chicoazul |
| If we fail to go up this season on 18:48 - Jan 21 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I don't think he gets sacked unless we finish outside of the play-offs. That would obviously put him under pressure to hit the ground running next season. However, I believe the rationale would be that he is an excellent young manager who will learn from the mistakes he has made over the course of a season and a half.
I think we would be mad to get rid barring some kind of complete capitulation, which as frustrating as the last couple of months has been, is not something I see on the horizon. Naivety may cost us this season, but the experience will strengthen him next time. |
The capitulation has happened. |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 18:53 - Jan 21 with 1406 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Sack him if we fail to go up. No excuses. He's got all tools he needed which every manager in this league would love to have.
Cook was tasked with an immediate promotion. He failed. Why should the different critieria apply to McKenna?
But he'll talk nicely and that will please some. |  | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 18:54 - Jan 21 with 1401 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| If we fail to go up this season on 18:50 - Jan 21 by chicoazul |
The capitulation has happened. |
No it hasn't. Our form isn't good enough at the moment, but we've lost four games all season. Get back to me when we've lost at least 10. Draws may well cost us promotion, but they do not constitute a capitulation, you silly goose. |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 18:59 - Jan 21 with 1372 views | Plums |
| If we fail to go up this season on 18:49 - Jan 21 by chicoazul |
Is it though? Pick a team practice a formation defend properly take your chances. We need this guy for this game that guy for that game.
McK has worked a long time already he’s not a novice and he’s built a very expensive team that makes the same mistakes again and again. Not so long ago people were saying it was luck. Maybe the good runs were the luck? Maybe now we’re reverting to the mean.
Or maybe he could be anyone else you like to mention but things would still be the same. The heart of the club or rather the lack of it is always there regardless. I dunno. It’s all so predictable or feels like it. We’ll scrape the play offs and lose the semis, that’s what everyone seems to be expecting now. |
Of course it's different. As a coach, you plan and run training sessions, interventions to develop players, work with other coaches to identify who needs support and in which areas etc.
As a manager, there is input into all the above as well as selecting a team, running it on the day leading the off the field team, dealing with player personal issues, transfer activity, talent acquisition and development from the academy, reporting to the board, press and media activities, the list goes on. It's a steep learning curve. |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 19:02 - Jan 21 with 1361 views | chicoazul |
| If we fail to go up this season on 18:54 - Jan 21 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
No it hasn't. Our form isn't good enough at the moment, but we've lost four games all season. Get back to me when we've lost at least 10. Draws may well cost us promotion, but they do not constitute a capitulation, you silly goose. |
What do you call the thing that costs us promotion, as you put it? Could have sworn we were top. | |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 19:02 - Jan 21 with 1360 views | Churchman |
I hope so. He was always going to have a lot to learn and why not here? |  | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:04 - Jan 21 with 1351 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:02 - Jan 21 by Churchman |
I hope so. He was always going to have a lot to learn and why not here? |
Go somewhere else then to learn the trade.
Why should we accept the fact that he needs to learn? If he wants to learn his trade go somewhere else as our target and aim to get out of this league at last. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:07 - Jan 21 with 1341 views | chicoazul |
| If we fail to go up this season on 18:59 - Jan 21 by Plums |
Of course it's different. As a coach, you plan and run training sessions, interventions to develop players, work with other coaches to identify who needs support and in which areas etc.
As a manager, there is input into all the above as well as selecting a team, running it on the day leading the off the field team, dealing with player personal issues, transfer activity, talent acquisition and development from the academy, reporting to the board, press and media activities, the list goes on. It's a steep learning curve. |
If it were McK and Lee O’Neill you may have a point but it isn’t. Ipswich has a huge staff to handle most of what you’re talking about there. | |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 19:10 - Jan 21 with 1327 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:02 - Jan 21 by chicoazul |
What do you call the thing that costs us promotion, as you put it? Could have sworn we were top. |
Not really sure what you are asking me here old pal, would you care to rephrase that?
As I said in my original post "I don't think he gets sacked unless we finish outside of the play-offs". You can probably take it as read that this is what I would class as a complete capitulation. | |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 19:13 - Jan 21 with 1321 views | Plums |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:07 - Jan 21 by chicoazul |
If it were McK and Lee O’Neill you may have a point but it isn’t. Ipswich has a huge staff to handle most of what you’re talking about there. |
Whilst others have responsibility for some aspects of them, he is the manager and is accountability and oversight of them all - otherwise he would be head coach. | |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 19:13 - Jan 21 with 1322 views | Churchman |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:04 - Jan 21 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Go somewhere else then to learn the trade.
Why should we accept the fact that he needs to learn? If he wants to learn his trade go somewhere else as our target and aim to get out of this league at last. |
Because sometimes you have to invest in something to get the best from it.
Better that than some tired old has been. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:21 - Jan 21 with 1300 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:13 - Jan 21 by Churchman |
Because sometimes you have to invest in something to get the best from it.
Better that than some tired old has been. |
Some tired old has been would have offered plan B and C and other solutions if things didn't go our way. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:24 - Jan 21 with 1290 views | pointofblue |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:21 - Jan 21 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Some tired old has been would have offered plan B and C and other solutions if things didn't go our way. |
Mick rarely did, to be honest. Especially near the end. | |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 19:37 - Jan 21 with 1272 views | bournemouthblue |
| If we fail to go up this season on 19:24 - Jan 21 by pointofblue |
Mick rarely did, to be honest. Especially near the end. |
same for Paul Cook
4231 every game? |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 20:57 - Jan 21 with 1225 views | ringwoodblue |
Yes I think McK should and will stay on next season but if we don’t get promoted, I’m more worried about the players we might lose rather than the manager. I imagine the best players we’ve signed (like Walton, Davis, Morsy, Broadhead and Chaplin) agreed to come here on the basis of getting promoted this season but will they accept another year or more of their career playing in Lg1 obscurity? I don’t think they will. |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 21:23 - Jan 21 with 1204 views | HARRY10 |
The concern is how do the new owners see getting a return on their money, If we get into the Championship we have to break through the 'yo yo' clubs who now dominate promotion.
Assume we can, as with Forest, all the money is needed to have a chance of staying up. The only way to earn big is to get into Europe, something that requires a fair bit of money to compete against the top six or so with incomes of £400 plus per annum
I do wonder if ORG fully understands UK football, as ........."Mark Steed, posted a link to a story of the takeover on Twitter and wrote: "God have mercy on League One, because we won’t." | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:25 - Jan 21 with 1200 views | Radlett_blue |
| If we fail to go up this season on 17:24 - Jan 21 by homer_123 |
Today is possibly the first time we put in a shoddy performance and looked poor.
Yet, we still created enough goal scoring opportunities to win that game even with gifting Oxford two goals.
We're off at the moment but I've seen enough of us play under KM to give him a lot more time. |
Town have been "off" for quite a while now. From when we threw away 2 goal leads against Port Vale & Charlton, we have picked up 16 points from 12 games. That is mid table form so no wonder we are now well off the pace. This is not just a short term thing. |  |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 21:34 - Jan 21 with 1167 views | tractorshark |
The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Sacking McKenna would fall into this category.
We’ve got a young, up and coming talented coach who is developing into a very promising manager.
He will make mistakes but his ceiling is high.
People wanted good football, we’ve got good football, the improvements are there for all to see.
Yet still some people clamour for instant success and instant change if it doesn’t work out straight away.
Let’s give him a proper chance and stay strong even if it doesn’t end in promotion this season. We did the same for Robson and Burley.
Or we could just pluck another name from the managerial merry-go-round and hope for a different result. Neil Harris anyone? | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:48 - Jan 21 with 1124 views | tractorshark |
Just one thing I will add…
I cannot understand why some people are almost throwing in the towel on this season. Automatic promotion is not impossible but even if we have to go up via the playoffs, then bring the f**k on.
I’m still bang up for it, many other teams and supporters would give their right arm to be in our position right now. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:50 - Jan 21 with 1117 views | Stewart27 |
Yes 100%.
And he should be.
Next. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:59 - Jan 21 with 1084 views | Linners |
It will be completely insane to sack him if we don't go up. Yes, our squad is very strong but let's not pretend we're Man City. Many of these players got us nowhere near the play-offs last season and he's barely been a manager a year. That said, I'm not sure I'd be as sympathetic or patient if we're still a L1 side come August 2024. |  | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:59 - Jan 21 with 1083 views | pointofblue |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:59 - Jan 21 by Linners |
It will be completely insane to sack him if we don't go up. Yes, our squad is very strong but let's not pretend we're Man City. Many of these players got us nowhere near the play-offs last season and he's barely been a manager a year. That said, I'm not sure I'd be as sympathetic or patient if we're still a L1 side come August 2024. |
If he doesn't get us up this year or next then he has to go. No question. | |
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| If we fail to go up this season on 22:03 - Jan 21 with 1056 views | HARRY10 |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:48 - Jan 21 by tractorshark |
Just one thing I will add…
I cannot understand why some people are almost throwing in the towel on this season. Automatic promotion is not impossible but even if we have to go up via the playoffs, then bring the f**k on.
I’m still bang up for it, many other teams and supporters would give their right arm to be in our position right now. |
Given the level of investment most in LI would be expecting us to be walking it, or at least around the top.
To claim that as we are doing better than another LI club with gates around 5000 means its all OK, rather misses the point.
And whatever we were in the past, we are not now. We have bright new shiney owners, The days of the Cobbolds are long gone. This lot may not be so patient.
If we don't go up this season they will see the millons spent, over and above purchasing the club, as not achieving the stated aim. Why, they might say, should we not change tgings.
And nobody id throwing in the towel. Certainly not at the club who I am sure are busting a gut to succeed, Nor the fans, as what happens is pretty much out of their hands. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 22:05 - Jan 21 with 1042 views | Linners |
| If we fail to go up this season on 21:59 - Jan 21 by pointofblue |
If he doesn't get us up this year or next then he has to go. No question. |
I still think you could make an argument for him to carry on (it took Burley 5 seasons, albeit a different league) but I don't think I'd try too hard to make that argument personally and I couldn't really argue if they gave him the push. | | | |
| If we fail to go up this season on 22:12 - Jan 21 with 1006 views | PioneerBlue |
Yes of course he will | |
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