| Now the fog has cleared 09:42 - Jan 22 with 5440 views | Pinewoodblue |
It seems to me that either the referee made it up or the FL have verbally told referees, but not clubs, that if a game is abandoned after 75 minutes the result stands.
An answer is required and it for Ipswich Town to demand it.
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:33 - Jan 22 with 1300 views | Mullet |
Once again the officials seem to have let us down, and it is very poor from Madden especially to leave it in the managers' hands as he did. I'd rather we just get some clarity/apology and move on.
We came out on the wrong end of one, had it been us 2-1 up we'd be chuckling all week about it. |  |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:35 - Jan 22 with 1279 views | TractorWood |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:33 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
Once again the officials seem to have let us down, and it is very poor from Madden especially to leave it in the managers' hands as he did. I'd rather we just get some clarity/apology and move on.
We came out on the wrong end of one, had it been us 2-1 up we'd be chuckling all week about it. |
This victim complex on refereeing decisions really needs to stop.
The referee doesn't keep putting it in the back of the net against us. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:36]
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:37 - Jan 22 with 1262 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:09 - Jan 22 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Hopefully it won't be replayed. |
I don’t want it replayed…but I do want the EFL to come out and say what the rule actually is! If the ref got it wrong, he should be demoted, because he was the only reason that the game continued if KM is to be believed (and I’m sure that he’s being straight on this). |  |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:38 - Jan 22 with 1260 views | SitfcB |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:35 - Jan 22 by TractorWood |
This victim complex on refereeing decisions really needs to stop.
The referee doesn't keep putting it in the back of the net against us. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:36]
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We’re definitely 4 points worse off due to refereeing decisions this season. Maybe more but they’re the ones that stand out more.
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:39 - Jan 22 with 1259 views | Mullet |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:35 - Jan 22 by TractorWood |
This victim complex on refereeing decisions really needs to stop.
The referee doesn't keep putting it in the back of the net against us. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:36]
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Eh? How is the referee not knowing the rules and telling both managers the wrong thing a victim complex and anything to do with us missing chances? You're way off. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:41 - Jan 22 with 1254 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:04 - Jan 22 by Ryorry |
They had absolutely nothing to lose from the game continuing - whatever the result, it wasn't going to significantly impact their overall season. Very different for us, obvs. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:07]
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Oxford are closer to a play off place than we are top spot. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:43 - Jan 22 with 1235 views | Mullet |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:38 - Jan 22 by SitfcB |
We’re definitely 4 points worse off due to refereeing decisions this season. Maybe more but they’re the ones that stand out more.
(Barnsley H and Sheff Wed A) |
Wednesday was the worst because he bottled it so obviously as with yesterday. That's the problem with this level. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:44 - Jan 22 with 1242 views | blueblueburleymcgrew |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:33 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
Once again the officials seem to have let us down, and it is very poor from Madden especially to leave it in the managers' hands as he did. I'd rather we just get some clarity/apology and move on.
We came out on the wrong end of one, had it been us 2-1 up we'd be chuckling all week about it. |
Not really a moan but no thought for the fans, as a spectacle it was ruined in the second half, genuinely couldn’t see what was going on over large swathes of the pitch.
Charlton and Oxford away, two farcical games for different reasons, probably won’t (I hope) see the likes again for a long while. |  | | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:45 - Jan 22 with 1226 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:24 - Jan 22 by TimeSyncOTP |
The "Laws of the Game" used to state that the result of a match could be accepted under competition rules once a match had reached the 75 minute mark. I suspect it was this Law to which the referee was referring.
However, in my experience, all leagues from SIL to Step 3 have ordered the replay of any match abandoned before the full-time whistle.
As an example, the SIL constitution (which follows the FAs template for the most part) requires that the Executive Committee rule on the outcome of any abandoned match. I am aware of games which they have both replayed with minutes to go and games that they have allowed to stand in the past few years. However their general rule of thumb is to replay a game, especially when the outcome may affect a promotion/relegation.
As you travel up the football pyramid, there is even more of an appetite to see matches replayed. I am not familiar with the EFL competition rules, however Bobby Madden should be, but I'd be surprised if they didn't call for a replay of any abandoned game.
It's interesting to note that Law 7.5 of the IFAB Laws of the Game has changed in the last few years to remove the 75 minute rule anyway. It now states...
An abandoned match is replayed unless the competition rules or organisers determine otherwise.
...and clearly Bobby Madden is unaware of this change and needs to spend some time reviewing the up to date Laws.
I'll finish by stating that regardless of what was correct in Law, there is normally pressure on referees to avoid abandonment at all costs and to manage a game through to its conclusion. Ultimately this will be what was in the back of the referee's mind on the day. In my experience matchday observers and competition management do not like having to replay games and abandoning the game could have impacted the referees appointments for the remainder of the season.
Was the referee correct in Law? No. Did he make the correct call in continuing the game? Probably. Is it frustrating as an ITFC fan? Yes. |
It is his first season as a referee in England, having moved from Scotland. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:47 - Jan 22 with 1226 views | Mullet |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:44 - Jan 22 by blueblueburleymcgrew |
Not really a moan but no thought for the fans, as a spectacle it was ruined in the second half, genuinely couldn’t see what was going on over large swathes of the pitch.
Charlton and Oxford away, two farcical games for different reasons, probably won’t (I hope) see the likes again for a long while. |
Charlton was completely crazy and we won't see one of those for years. I think far too much pop psychology has been applied to it, rather than just looking at the obvious issues.
I couldn't believe the picture yesterday and assumed it must be a camera issue at first, then mates sent me pictures from the stands and I was just waiting for the call off. I'm glad we had a weekend up here instead now in hindsight. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:50 - Jan 22 with 1214 views | TimeSyncOTP |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:45 - Jan 22 by Pinewoodblue |
It is his first season as a referee in England, having moved from Scotland. |
It doesn't make a difference. The IFAB Laws of the Game are the same in any league. All referees are sent and required to learn the competition rules before refereeing on a competition.
Most don't but that's no excuse.
However, my point was that he quoted the IFAB Law and (likely) the competition rule incorrectly but ultimately the decision that he made would have been what was expected by the league. | | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:50 - Jan 22 with 1222 views | PhilTWTD |
My guess is that the referee used a rule from the Scottish Premiership assuming it was the same in the EFL. But that's just me speculating. |  | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:56 - Jan 22 with 1171 views | urbanblue |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:33 - Jan 22 by TractorWood |
I also enjoyed one of our corners in the 87 minute when 2-1 down. We had 5 attacking players in the box. Madness. |
Maybe the others couldn't see that we had a corner |  | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:56 - Jan 22 with 1173 views | TractorWood |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:39 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
Eh? How is the referee not knowing the rules and telling both managers the wrong thing a victim complex and anything to do with us missing chances? You're way off. |
"Once again we've been let down" does sound like you are playing the same record.
We were drawing against an awful Oxford side. Had that been abandoned, the same fans would be moaning that we would have gone on to win it and been robbed the other way.
We need to take responsibility for our recent dip in form, and try to vary our play more, be more resilient and ruthless in both boxes.
This deluge of excuses for everything is embarrassing. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:57 - Jan 22 with 1167 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:50 - Jan 22 by TimeSyncOTP |
It doesn't make a difference. The IFAB Laws of the Game are the same in any league. All referees are sent and required to learn the competition rules before refereeing on a competition.
Most don't but that's no excuse.
However, my point was that he quoted the IFAB Law and (likely) the competition rule incorrectly but ultimately the decision that he made would have been what was expected by the league. |
Down to individual competition rules in Spain they don’t abandon a game just suspend play, sometimes to another day and then restart and play out any remaining minutes.
A few years ago a Spanish cup final was suspended due to heavy rain, and I think, hail. The pitch was flooded. They finished the game another day there was something like 10-12 minutes to play. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 10:58 - Jan 22 with 1155 views | TractorWood |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:38 - Jan 22 by SitfcB |
We’re definitely 4 points worse off due to refereeing decisions this season. Maybe more but they’re the ones that stand out more.
(Barnsley H and Sheff Wed A) |
Ask a fan of any top team who goes home and away how many points refs have robbed them of. They'll say exactly the same. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 11:00 - Jan 22 with 1142 views | TimeSyncOTP |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:57 - Jan 22 by Pinewoodblue |
Down to individual competition rules in Spain they don’t abandon a game just suspend play, sometimes to another day and then restart and play out any remaining minutes.
A few years ago a Spanish cup final was suspended due to heavy rain, and I think, hail. The pitch was flooded. They finished the game another day there was something like 10-12 minutes to play. |
I'm not sure what your point it? Last time I checked we weren't playing in the Spanish League. | | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 11:01 - Jan 22 with 1130 views | Ryorry |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:57 - Jan 22 by Pinewoodblue |
Down to individual competition rules in Spain they don’t abandon a game just suspend play, sometimes to another day and then restart and play out any remaining minutes.
A few years ago a Spanish cup final was suspended due to heavy rain, and I think, hail. The pitch was flooded. They finished the game another day there was something like 10-12 minutes to play. |
A much better system imo - means a ref would be less reluctant to abandon a game where one team was already ahead - as things stand here, it'd be incredibly difficult to pull teams off where the score might already be, eg, 3-1. |  |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 11:06 - Jan 22 with 1109 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:33 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
Once again the officials seem to have let us down, and it is very poor from Madden especially to leave it in the managers' hands as he did. I'd rather we just get some clarity/apology and move on.
We came out on the wrong end of one, had it been us 2-1 up we'd be chuckling all week about it. |
To be fair, he let BOTH teams down if that's the case.
We weren't any more disadvantaged by the decisions than Oxford were.
We can't blame the ref for the result. |  |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 11:31 - Jan 22 with 1079 views | loyalfan |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:26 - Jan 22 by belgablue |
I've not seen it mentioned anyway but what did the linesmen think? Surely they couldn't see to the other side of the pitch? |
We were pretty sure the linesman in front of us was totally frustrated that he couldn't see across to the other side of the pitch. He was talking to Burns at one stage I think. It was totally crazy to carry on the match as it compromised the integrity of the officials. | | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 11:32 - Jan 22 with 1077 views | loyalfan |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:28 - Jan 22 by TractorWood |
It's frustrating that we lost, not that the game was continued.
To me this is just coming across as salty escapism from the reality that we are out of ideas and have been sussed out by the league. |
Were you at the match? | | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 12:12 - Jan 22 with 1041 views | RegencyBlue |
It should have been abandoned and the confusion around the referees advice to the managers needs investigation BUT it was the same for both sides and Oxford adapted better, lobbing in high balls and seeing what happened.
We, on the other hand, show no sign of adapting to anything once we cross the white line. McKenna himself has admitted Oxford surprised him with how they lined up but no evidence that anything was changed to counter it. Given our substitutions started when they normally do and there were no obvious changes to our formation we presumably just carried on as pre planned?
We haven’t completely blown it yet but it’s not far off if nothing changes very soon! |  | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 16:57 - Jan 22 with 962 views | Mullet |
| Now the fog has cleared on 10:56 - Jan 22 by TractorWood |
"Once again we've been let down" does sound like you are playing the same record.
We were drawing against an awful Oxford side. Had that been abandoned, the same fans would be moaning that we would have gone on to win it and been robbed the other way.
We need to take responsibility for our recent dip in form, and try to vary our play more, be more resilient and ruthless in both boxes.
This deluge of excuses for everything is embarrassing. |
Given that I said "Once again the officials seem to have let us down" no wonder you're doubling down on seeing only what you want here.
Completely different meaning and nothing to do with what you're peddling. Seem is a very important word to miss.
Let alone the fact there isn't any sense of excuses just honesty from me. Do better. | |
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| Now the fog has cleared on 19:59 - Jan 22 with 907 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Now the fog has cleared on 09:55 - Jan 22 by Pinewoodblue |
Agreed. Full marks to Oxford for wanting to play on rather than accept a point. |
Of course they wanted to play on. The field was completely leveled, which meant the fog only worked in their favour. |  | | |
| Now the fog has cleared on 20:57 - Jan 22 with 887 views | TractorWood |
| Now the fog has cleared on 16:57 - Jan 22 by Mullet |
Given that I said "Once again the officials seem to have let us down" no wonder you're doubling down on seeing only what you want here.
Completely different meaning and nothing to do with what you're peddling. Seem is a very important word to miss.
Let alone the fact there isn't any sense of excuses just honesty from me. Do better. |
But you do want an apology? | |
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