| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here 13:59 - Feb 5 with 10592 views | SomethingBlue |
Look, we can't dress up the recent form and also the disappointment given that at one point there seemed at least a possibility we could run away with promotion. There are a lot of nerves and tension, sometimes weariness, I totally get it, they affect me as much as anyone. Not going to deny or excuse any of the current flaws we see.
But I think McKenna makes a fair point about not getting saddled with historical disappointments. That's difficult I know — it may be in many ways a new club but it's still Ipswich Town, who have by and large royally fcuked the last two decades in plain sight for most of us. But this is the first sign of choppy waters in just over a year of McKenna being here, a stormy patch in what is still a clear upwards trajectory from where we've been, and I think we need to stay loudly supportive and ride this out.
Even if we end up settling for play-offs — it won't be worse than that as we simply don't lose enough games to fall out of the pack — this is a very good team that I'd back to go the distance. Haven't been able to say that for a long time: the fact we can is significant and we need to channel it.
I'm not sure top two is over in any case. One encouragement: we are drawing stupid games but we're not generally losing them and it still feels to me as if we are a tweak or two, albeit with time running out, away from going on a run. I'll be very interested to see how things look in six weeks. For one thing, Plymouth's coming run of opponents are: Pompey, Oxford, Fleetwood, Posh, Charlton, Derby, Barnsley. It's similar to the awkwardness of our run around December. I would be very surprised if we do not make up some points on them over that time.
Bottom line for me is that such a tremendous difference has been made to the vibe around the whole club, and stadium, in the last year. Take the team out of it: we owe it to each other to keep it going, don't we? Whatever happens the end of this season is going to be huge, probably on a knife edge, and the stakes are undeniably pretty high — so let's give ourselves the best possible chance. It's far from over. |  |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:57 - Feb 5 with 1562 views | tractorshark |
I didn’t post on anything yesterday because some of the comments were at best an over-reaction and at worst moronic.
The club is finally going in the right direction but we have to give McKenna time otherwise we’ll keeping making the same mistakes we’ve been making since Hurst arrived.
McKenna is young and will make errors but his ceiling is far higher than say someone like Paul Warne.
He’s ticked all the boxes so far, we’re in the promotion frame and we’re playing a brand of football that, as fans, we enjoy.
Yes he and the team are having a wobble but that’s not a reason to lose faith.
We’re not out of the automatic promotion race. If you think Derby are in it, then so are we.
I confidently predict we won’t have to win every game to get automatically promoted this season. The problem with having that mindset is it just creates more pressure and tension but Wednesday and Plymouth will drop points.
But if we end up in the playoffs, so be it. Rather than cursing our luck and looking for blame, bring it on.
Too many Ipswich fans think we can wave a magic wand and we’ll be out of this division. It’s a sense of entitlement that stretches back to 2019 when some fans thought a season in League One would do us good. Presumably just like Sheffield United, who spent six seasons here.
Clearly we should be performing better right now and, yes, we’re inconsistent at the moment but the way some fans talk you’d think it is all over.
Look at it this way, if you supported another team in this division and you saw rival fans questioning their manager, even talking about replacing him, when they’re third in the league and playing decent football, at the very least you'd think it is very harsh. | | | |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:57 - Feb 5 with 1553 views | Slimitfc91 |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:55 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
I like whats being done at the club.
Hopefully the football on the pitch matches the investment level and improvements that have been done. |
You are like a child that wants everything immediately | | | |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:59 - Feb 5 with 1535 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:57 - Feb 5 by Slimitfc91 |
You are like a child that wants everything immediately |
No. Just a town fan who feels we should be doing better with the resources available.
But if you're happy with 1 1 draws with Cambridge Who am I to judge. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 16:10]
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:00 - Feb 5 with 1535 views | Slimitfc91 |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:59 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
No. Just a town fan who feels we should be doing better with the resources available.
But if you're happy with 1 1 draws with Cambridge Who am I to judge. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 16:10]
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I’m prepared to give the manager and players time | | | |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:02 - Feb 5 with 1525 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:00 - Feb 5 by Slimitfc91 |
I’m prepared to give the manager and players time |
No one has asked for the manager to be sacked. So everyone agrees with you. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:03 - Feb 5 with 1530 views | LeoMuff |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:39 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
No. I was referring to KM and his after game talk of new team, new club stuff.
It's a version of Pcs team gelling talk aimed at those above and the fans to remind them why they were failing. |
For me playoffs are the minimum, we were 11th last season so that would be progress, next season automatic.
I know we have spent a fortune, but we all know that guarantees nothing |  |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:05 - Feb 5 with 1528 views | J2BLUE |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:56 - Feb 5 by Chondzoresk |
If I knew how to upload the gif of people standing up applauding to the OP I would. Unfortunately, I’m not that tech savvy…..great post. |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:10 - Feb 5 with 1481 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:59 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
No. Just a town fan who feels we should be doing better with the resources available.
But if you're happy with 1 1 draws with Cambridge Who am I to judge. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 16:10]
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Point of order. We drew 1-1 at Cambridge. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:11 - Feb 5 with 1459 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:10 - Feb 5 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Point of order. We drew 1-1 at Cambridge. |
That's what I said ;) | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:29 - Feb 5 with 1406 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Superb post.
Also worth noting that Michael Cooper has picked up what could be a serious injury for Plymouth. I dot wish Injury on any player and dont revel in it either. But Cooper is the bets goalkeeper in the league by ,lies, Plymouths best player and the main reason they are where they are. It's a huge loss for them. Obviously none of that matters if we dont start winning, but I still believe. |  |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:31 - Feb 5 with 1402 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:55 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
I like whats being done at the club.
Hopefully the football on the pitch matches the investment level and improvements that have been done. |
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The football on the pitch clearly matches the investment. To try to assert otherwise would be myopic in the extreme.
Football is a results business, of that there is no argument, but to make an assessment on results alone shows a distinct lack of appreciation of nuance.
Mick got results, relative to his resources, but was hounded out due to poor quality of football.
So which is it? Performances or results? The most important thing is clearly the latter, but not entirely at the expense of the former, as history has shown.
Now we are getting good quality football, but the results are not (currently) quite matching up to the performances. It's fine margins, but there is a long way to go. |  |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:34 - Feb 5 with 1386 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:31 - Feb 5 by TheMoralMajority |
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The football on the pitch clearly matches the investment. To try to assert otherwise would be myopic in the extreme.
Football is a results business, of that there is no argument, but to make an assessment on results alone shows a distinct lack of appreciation of nuance.
Mick got results, relative to his resources, but was hounded out due to poor quality of football.
So which is it? Performances or results? The most important thing is clearly the latter, but not entirely at the expense of the former, as history has shown.
Now we are getting good quality football, but the results are not (currently) quite matching up to the performances. It's fine margins, but there is a long way to go. |
It doesn't match it no. The results do not match the investment.
The beginning season form did.
However since being top. We've had 18 games roughly and this is how it's faired
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-one/form/matches:18/type | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:35 - Feb 5 with 1386 views | TheMoralMajority |
Yeah. That's not what you said.
Given that you are now moving the goalposts I will now bow out. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:41 - Feb 5 with 1366 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:35 - Feb 5 by TheMoralMajority |
Yeah. That's not what you said.
Given that you are now moving the goalposts I will now bow out. |
How is it moving goalposts. You're the one who tried to bring the type of football into play not me.
The football on the pitch is not matching the investment. The purpose when you play football is to win. We aren't doing It enough, not for the level of investment given. So I stick to my point. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:47 - Feb 5 with 1336 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Everyones entitled to their own opinion but i'd have to question the type who thinks a new Johnny 'long ball merchant' manager would have a bigger ceiling than McKenna.
Dissapointment over our form in the 3rd quarter of the season is understandable, but having a wibble about a manager who has taken us from 11th to 3rd in his first full season. Wow. | | | |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:52 - Feb 5 with 1306 views | pointofblue |
Best thing to do would be to get all the stress and tension out on here but make sure it doesn't permeate from the stands on Saturday. Easier said than done. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:54 - Feb 5 with 1300 views | BlueBadger |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 15:29 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
"disingenuous"
Possibly. Lambert didn't have it as easy as KM has. So yes maybe not fair to compare lambert failure with KMs.
But both took a side top of the league and let it slip over Xmas. |
But KM hasn't actually failed or taken us backwards yet though.
Honestly, most of us at this point would have just moved to another country if we'd shat ourselves in public as badly as you did when KM was appointed. instead, you've decided to base your whole personality around the fact that you once shat yourself in public. |  |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:55 - Feb 5 with 1304 views | LankHenners |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:29 - Feb 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Superb post.
Also worth noting that Michael Cooper has picked up what could be a serious injury for Plymouth. I dot wish Injury on any player and dont revel in it either. But Cooper is the bets goalkeeper in the league by ,lies, Plymouths best player and the main reason they are where they are. It's a huge loss for them. Obviously none of that matters if we dont start winning, but I still believe. |
Was listening to something from the NotTheTop20 pod the other day and I didn't realise quite how well Cooper was doing for them - looking at the shots conceded, xG against etc. Plymouth aren't doing so great but Cooper is outperforming the expected goals conceded stat by a ridiculous amount.
Obviously still a good team playing well but him and Scarr being out for even a few games doesn't help them at all. Still think they're the more catchable of the top 2 as I think Wednesday will pull away as just look so strong. |  |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:57 - Feb 5 with 1271 views | pointofblue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:55 - Feb 5 by LankHenners |
Was listening to something from the NotTheTop20 pod the other day and I didn't realise quite how well Cooper was doing for them - looking at the shots conceded, xG against etc. Plymouth aren't doing so great but Cooper is outperforming the expected goals conceded stat by a ridiculous amount.
Obviously still a good team playing well but him and Scarr being out for even a few games doesn't help them at all. Still think they're the more catchable of the top 2 as I think Wednesday will pull away as just look so strong. |
The issue is Derby seem better placed to benefit than us, if losing Cooper does affect them. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:57 - Feb 5 with 1254 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:54 - Feb 5 by BlueBadger |
But KM hasn't actually failed or taken us backwards yet though.
Honestly, most of us at this point would have just moved to another country if we'd shat ourselves in public as badly as you did when KM was appointed. instead, you've decided to base your whole personality around the fact that you once shat yourself in public. |
Well at present bb. He's failed to keep us in the top two just like lambert did BB. And unless he actually gets us promoted. He's achieved nothing more than any of our previous 2 managers. Whilst having the easier job.
4 wins in 3 months.
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:01 - Feb 5 with 1240 views | LankHenners |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:57 - Feb 5 by pointofblue |
The issue is Derby seem better placed to benefit than us, if losing Cooper does affect them. |
To do enough to overtake Plymouth we'll do enough to keep Derby behind us. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:07 - Feb 5 with 1202 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:55 - Feb 5 by LankHenners |
Was listening to something from the NotTheTop20 pod the other day and I didn't realise quite how well Cooper was doing for them - looking at the shots conceded, xG against etc. Plymouth aren't doing so great but Cooper is outperforming the expected goals conceded stat by a ridiculous amount.
Obviously still a good team playing well but him and Scarr being out for even a few games doesn't help them at all. Still think they're the more catchable of the top 2 as I think Wednesday will pull away as just look so strong. |
Its incredible really, Cooper must have won them 10-15 points this year, as you say they are a good team with lots of other great players, I really like Finn Azaz. But without Cooper you would think thats a big mental blow for them. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:09 - Feb 5 with 1178 views | BlueBadger |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 16:57 - Feb 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Well at present bb. He's failed to keep us in the top two just like lambert did BB. And unless he actually gets us promoted. He's achieved nothing more than any of our previous 2 managers. Whilst having the easier job.
4 wins in 3 months.
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Christ. Imagine ho you'd have been if we'd appointed somebody actually sh1t at their job. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:11 - Feb 5 with 1166 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:09 - Feb 5 by BlueBadger |
Christ. Imagine ho you'd have been if we'd appointed somebody actually sh1t at their job. |
Sorry is 4 wins in 3 months a sign of someone doing a good Job? I'd hate to see what a bad one would be. | |
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| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:11 - Feb 5 with 1170 views | LankHenners |
| Fanbase needs to hold its nerve here on 17:07 - Feb 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Its incredible really, Cooper must have won them 10-15 points this year, as you say they are a good team with lots of other great players, I really like Finn Azaz. But without Cooper you would think thats a big mental blow for them. |
Without checking think it's largely away games where they've had spells of being under a lot of pressure where he's pulled out several great saves to keep them in it and seeing as they've got a fairly awkward set of fixtures this month it could see them drop points more than they have been.
Have to take care of ourselves in any case first. | |
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