| Our Manager 10:30 - Feb 12 with 5232 views | Wickets |
I'm fully behind our young inexperienced manager as most are i'm sure but i just read another poster saying he is under performing relative to the budget he has been given . Third in the league to two very good sides is that correct . We are inconsistent and draws are costing us , what do others feel ? |  | | |  |
| Our Manager on 10:40 - Feb 12 with 3099 views | MattinLondon |
If I’m being totally honest then we should be doing better. Let’s face it, at the start of the season, failure would have been seen as finishing in the playoffs but still going up. Expectation was top two.
Failure to achieve promotion this season would have been viewed as total failure.
We really need to go on that elusive winning run - the next five matches have to see a return of 15 points if we are to go up automatically.
But.
After so much upheaval and false starts and a high rotation of players, even if we don’t go up this season then I’ll still want the club to stick with KM. The reason being based on style and promise - if we were playing hoofball under a manager who has gone round-and-round on the managerial roundabout then my thoughts would be totally different. Young managers like young players make mistakes but they only develop through time and patience. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 10:42 - Feb 12 with 3101 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I think based on the form since October he is under performing.
Hopefully the mid table form can be turned around and we can get back to the early season form. |  |
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| Our Manager on 10:44 - Feb 12 with 3077 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Our Manager on 10:40 - Feb 12 by MattinLondon |
If I’m being totally honest then we should be doing better. Let’s face it, at the start of the season, failure would have been seen as finishing in the playoffs but still going up. Expectation was top two.
Failure to achieve promotion this season would have been viewed as total failure.
We really need to go on that elusive winning run - the next five matches have to see a return of 15 points if we are to go up automatically.
But.
After so much upheaval and false starts and a high rotation of players, even if we don’t go up this season then I’ll still want the club to stick with KM. The reason being based on style and promise - if we were playing hoofball under a manager who has gone round-and-round on the managerial roundabout then my thoughts would be totally different. Young managers like young players make mistakes but they only develop through time and patience. |
I don't think we have put a 'run' of two consecutive wins together since early October. | |
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| Our Manager on 10:47 - Feb 12 with 3057 views | franz_tyson |
You fail to mention the form over the last two/three months. It's the responsibility of the manager. He gets the plaudits when things are going well... and the heat when it doesn't. Hopefully, the level of criticism is reasonable and deserved. Usually isn't. McKenna, however, should be feeling the pressure as he's the single most obvious person to improve things. And it's been poor form for a while.
And the OP mentions our young, inexperienced manager.. its not the utmost intention of this club to prepare and train young managers for better jobs up the ladder at other clubs.The most important thing is to get out of this league. Why would any Town fan want the manager to make his inexperienced mistakes on our time when he's learning his trade? He's got to be fit for purpose now. Please... no more mention of iyouth or inexperience . He's either good enough whatever his age/experience. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 10:49 - Feb 12 with 3045 views | Wickets |
| Our Manager on 10:42 - Feb 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think based on the form since October he is under performing.
Hopefully the mid table form can be turned around and we can get back to the early season form. |
I suppose that must be right . | | | |
| Our Manager on 10:54 - Feb 12 with 3029 views | Wickets |
| Our Manager on 10:47 - Feb 12 by franz_tyson |
You fail to mention the form over the last two/three months. It's the responsibility of the manager. He gets the plaudits when things are going well... and the heat when it doesn't. Hopefully, the level of criticism is reasonable and deserved. Usually isn't. McKenna, however, should be feeling the pressure as he's the single most obvious person to improve things. And it's been poor form for a while.
And the OP mentions our young, inexperienced manager.. its not the utmost intention of this club to prepare and train young managers for better jobs up the ladder at other clubs.The most important thing is to get out of this league. Why would any Town fan want the manager to make his inexperienced mistakes on our time when he's learning his trade? He's got to be fit for purpose now. Please... no more mention of iyouth or inexperience . He's either good enough whatever his age/experience. |
I understand what you are saying but need to point out that my young inexperienced was just a statement of fact more that an excuse . | | | |
| Our Manager on 10:57 - Feb 12 with 2992 views | bobbyramsey |
| Our Manager on 10:47 - Feb 12 by franz_tyson |
You fail to mention the form over the last two/three months. It's the responsibility of the manager. He gets the plaudits when things are going well... and the heat when it doesn't. Hopefully, the level of criticism is reasonable and deserved. Usually isn't. McKenna, however, should be feeling the pressure as he's the single most obvious person to improve things. And it's been poor form for a while.
And the OP mentions our young, inexperienced manager.. its not the utmost intention of this club to prepare and train young managers for better jobs up the ladder at other clubs.The most important thing is to get out of this league. Why would any Town fan want the manager to make his inexperienced mistakes on our time when he's learning his trade? He's got to be fit for purpose now. Please... no more mention of iyouth or inexperience . He's either good enough whatever his age/experience. |
Agreed, Gamechanger hired KM to get us out of this league, not to learn on the job........ |  | | |
| Our Manager on 11:20 - Feb 12 with 2948 views | pointofblue |
| Our Manager on 10:57 - Feb 12 by bobbyramsey |
Agreed, Gamechanger hired KM to get us out of this league, not to learn on the job........ |
If that’s the case why hire him? This is his first managerial role, of course he’d have to learn on the job. And bear in mind, this squad is only slightly better on paper than the one Cook made a complete mess with. | |
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| Our Manager on 11:24 - Feb 12 with 2920 views | BigCommon |
| Our Manager on 10:40 - Feb 12 by MattinLondon |
If I’m being totally honest then we should be doing better. Let’s face it, at the start of the season, failure would have been seen as finishing in the playoffs but still going up. Expectation was top two.
Failure to achieve promotion this season would have been viewed as total failure.
We really need to go on that elusive winning run - the next five matches have to see a return of 15 points if we are to go up automatically.
But.
After so much upheaval and false starts and a high rotation of players, even if we don’t go up this season then I’ll still want the club to stick with KM. The reason being based on style and promise - if we were playing hoofball under a manager who has gone round-and-round on the managerial roundabout then my thoughts would be totally different. Young managers like young players make mistakes but they only develop through time and patience. |
"Failure would be seen, as finishing in the play offs, and still going up"..????????????????
Ridiculous comment... |  | | |
| Our Manager on 11:30 - Feb 12 with 2895 views | Basuco |
I am also fully behind KmK, yesterday when the system was really not working, on 30 mins he made the changes that pushed play into SW half and got us right back in the game, and dictated play. It continued through the second half where I thought there was only going to be one team likely to win the match. IMO, it was these changes that completely turned the game. Two brilliant freekicks resulted in the goals, but that we were putting more and more pressure on the best team (and definite L1 champions) was down to the manager and coaching team, not individual players. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 11:32 - Feb 12 with 2881 views | franz_tyson |
| Our Manager on 11:20 - Feb 12 by pointofblue |
If that’s the case why hire him? This is his first managerial role, of course he’d have to learn on the job. And bear in mind, this squad is only slightly better on paper than the one Cook made a complete mess with. |
Some are quicker learners than others.
On the surface.... Schumacher looks like he has learnt quicker than McKenna. Hes certainly out-performing McKenna with less resources. But was it a case of learning the job as a number 2 and stepping up? Like Leam Richardson. McKenna came from a PL background of Spurs / Man U. Agreed it looks good on CV, but maybe its not a sure-fire blue-print to transfer from PL to L1.
I'm sticking with McKenna for the moment, but we need to see improvements on the field to at least top six level. Our form hasn't bèen top six for a while, let alone top two. | | | |
| Our Manager on 11:53 - Feb 12 with 2830 views | jas0999 |
Certainly under performed based on budget recently. | | | |
| Our Manager on 11:56 - Feb 12 with 2830 views | J2BLUE |
This is clearly true. There are a few trying to rewrite history by arguing that the top 6 was the target but this is not true, it was very much the top 2.
Still very much behind him for the long term goals but we badly need to get out of this league. |  |
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| Our Manager on 12:02 - Feb 12 with 2807 views | cressi |
| Our Manager on 11:53 - Feb 12 by jas0999 |
Certainly under performed based on budget recently. |
Slightly underwhelmed personally probably had the most money in league one more than some championship teams. Don't think he knows his best 11 in football you don't mess with your defence he does constantly. Hope he achieves success here but if not improvement results wise he will be gone by Xmas. | | | |
| Our Manager on 12:11 - Feb 12 with 2755 views | pointofblue |
| Our Manager on 12:02 - Feb 12 by cressi |
Slightly underwhelmed personally probably had the most money in league one more than some championship teams. Don't think he knows his best 11 in football you don't mess with your defence he does constantly. Hope he achieves success here but if not improvement results wise he will be gone by Xmas. |
He was pretty stuck on the defence from Exeter through to Oxford away in the league (Donacien, Woolfenden, Burgess, Davis). He then changed three of the four for Morecambe, stuck with it at Cambridge, then changed the centre back pairing yesterday.
I appreciate why he wants a backline involving Clarke and Woolfenden, for their passing ability on the whole, but yesterday was not the day to try it for the first time. | |
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| Our Manager on 12:20 - Feb 12 with 2733 views | gainsboroughblue |
I do sometimes wonder if a coach appointment similar to Houston or Hamilton during the Burley years would be helpful to McKenna, especially given that this is his first role in management. |  |
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| Our Manager on 12:21 - Feb 12 with 2722 views | cressi |
| Our Manager on 12:11 - Feb 12 by pointofblue |
He was pretty stuck on the defence from Exeter through to Oxford away in the league (Donacien, Woolfenden, Burgess, Davis). He then changed three of the four for Morecambe, stuck with it at Cambridge, then changed the centre back pairing yesterday.
I appreciate why he wants a backline involving Clarke and Woolfenden, for their passing ability on the whole, but yesterday was not the day to try it for the first time. |
Think we went yrs with Burley Mills Osman and Butcher didn't keep bu*ger*ng about all played 70 games plus international games on shocking pitches at the highest level what's hard in playing twice a week 🤔 | | | |
| Our Manager on 12:22 - Feb 12 with 2713 views | patrickswell |
For me, real underperformance on the money laid out so far would be if we had had a season like Peterborough had had so far. To have lost only 4 games out of 30 so far is a mightily impressive performance, but our momentum has been stalled by the number of draws we’ve had since October 29. Plymouth and Wednesday both spent November and early December dropping points as well, but they’ve both clicked into winning runs since Christmas, as have the teams behind us. I get the sense that we’re not quite there at the moment as opposed to a million miles away, it feels a little bit like he’s doing an early years George Burley, but in the third tier.
Stick with it, we will get there, despite the frustrations of the last few months. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 12:30 - Feb 12 with 2680 views | pointofblue |
| Our Manager on 12:21 - Feb 12 by cressi |
Think we went yrs with Burley Mills Osman and Butcher didn't keep bu*ger*ng about all played 70 games plus international games on shocking pitches at the highest level what's hard in playing twice a week 🤔 |
I don’t think McKenna’s altering the defence for fitness reasons - more to try and get something to work along the backline to try and limit the errors. But I think rotation in that area of the pitch doesn’t help in the slightest, as relationships need to be formed and confidence gained.
I know I bang on about him but take Woolfenden as an example. Has a decent if unspectacular run, makes an error against Oxford, gets dropped, put back in against Burnley where he does well, dropped again for Cambridge, if you say he was fouled for the winner then he did alright at Turf Moor aside for one bad pass resulting in a goal, then picked again yesterday but next to someone who is younger (which is important as I think he is a follower rather than leader) who he’s never played alongside before.
There’s no consistency or confidence from the manager and, for me, Woolfenden is a confidence player. First half to second half yesterday showed that. If he was to be dropped, and I wouldn’t have argued against it, it needed to be a long run out of the team (arguably excluding cup games) - not in for a run, out two, back in but with a new right back. And it’s the same with the entire back line. Pick a three or four and give them a proper run. | |
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| Our Manager on 12:31 - Feb 12 with 2683 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
We should be doing better and only have ourselves to blame for the slump we're on. Drawing so many games is killing us, but losing so few shows we are doing so much right. His education in management continues before our eyes. Regardless of what division we are in next season (and the massive disappointment it will be if that is still this one) he would still have my backing as best man for the job. If a similar pattern emerges next season, then yeah, he is going to be under a lot of pressure. At present though, I firmly believe that he will deliver on his potential - it will be pretty sickening if that is at another club, us having cast him aside too soon. [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 12:39]
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| Our Manager on 13:19 - Feb 12 with 2555 views | BigCommon |
| Our Manager on 11:56 - Feb 12 by J2BLUE |
This is clearly true. There are a few trying to rewrite history by arguing that the top 6 was the target but this is not true, it was very much the top 2.
Still very much behind him for the long term goals but we badly need to get out of this league. |
Promotion is the target.... If we do it through the play offs, in KMs first season in charge, it will be a huge success. For a team that finished mid table last year..
... We know things have to improve to achieve that, this season.
I'm fully behind KM...Cant think of a single one of his signings that's let us down. (Injuries aside)
He's still running with a lot of players he inherited. We are light years ahead of where we were a year ago..
And hes improving all the time... | | | |
| Our Manager on 13:24 - Feb 12 with 2513 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Our Manager on 13:19 - Feb 12 by BigCommon |
Promotion is the target.... If we do it through the play offs, in KMs first season in charge, it will be a huge success. For a team that finished mid table last year..
... We know things have to improve to achieve that, this season.
I'm fully behind KM...Cant think of a single one of his signings that's let us down. (Injuries aside)
He's still running with a lot of players he inherited. We are light years ahead of where we were a year ago..
And hes improving all the time... |
Ahadme, Harness, Keogh, Hirst... not amazing signings imo.
Also, please can you advise how KM is improving all the time? what exactly is improving? - genuine question here. |  |
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| Our Manager on 13:28 - Feb 12 with 2500 views | pointofblue |
| Our Manager on 13:24 - Feb 12 by FrimleyBlue |
Ahadme, Harness, Keogh, Hirst... not amazing signings imo.
Also, please can you advise how KM is improving all the time? what exactly is improving? - genuine question here. |
In general, defending and attacking set pieces have come on leaps and bounds (yes, ok, both goals yesterday came from quick free kicks but those were short to start with). Which is odd, from a defensive viewpoint, considering our weakness is high balls. | |
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| Our Manager on 13:30 - Feb 12 with 2460 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Our Manager on 13:28 - Feb 12 by pointofblue |
In general, defending and attacking set pieces have come on leaps and bounds (yes, ok, both goals yesterday came from quick free kicks but those were short to start with). Which is odd, from a defensive viewpoint, considering our weakness is high balls. |
That's an improvement in the side yes, which we pay a set piece coach for specifically.
He said KM is improving all the time, just curious to know what exactly KM is improving on himself.. | |
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| Our Manager on 13:35 - Feb 12 with 2454 views | peterleeblue |
| Our Manager on 12:22 - Feb 12 by patrickswell |
For me, real underperformance on the money laid out so far would be if we had had a season like Peterborough had had so far. To have lost only 4 games out of 30 so far is a mightily impressive performance, but our momentum has been stalled by the number of draws we’ve had since October 29. Plymouth and Wednesday both spent November and early December dropping points as well, but they’ve both clicked into winning runs since Christmas, as have the teams behind us. I get the sense that we’re not quite there at the moment as opposed to a million miles away, it feels a little bit like he’s doing an early years George Burley, but in the third tier.
Stick with it, we will get there, despite the frustrations of the last few months. |
And Burleys 5th place Prem finish may turn out to be McKenna taking us through he Championship at the first time of asking. There are some really poor managers out there. KMck is not one. patience required. |  | | |
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