| Our Manager 10:30 - Feb 12 with 5237 views | Wickets |
I'm fully behind our young inexperienced manager as most are i'm sure but i just read another poster saying he is under performing relative to the budget he has been given . Third in the league to two very good sides is that correct . We are inconsistent and draws are costing us , what do others feel ? |  | | |  |
| Our Manager on 13:36 - Feb 12 with 1131 views | franz_tyson |
| Our Manager on 13:19 - Feb 12 by BigCommon |
Promotion is the target.... If we do it through the play offs, in KMs first season in charge, it will be a huge success. For a team that finished mid table last year..
... We know things have to improve to achieve that, this season.
I'm fully behind KM...Cant think of a single one of his signings that's let us down. (Injuries aside)
He's still running with a lot of players he inherited. We are light years ahead of where we were a year ago..
And hes improving all the time... |
"And hes improving all the time.."
Are we (or he)? I thought he inherited good players and has had very good backing financially- but I wouldn't say we're improving at the moment. The last 2-3 months haven't been good and we've still got reoccurring problems in defence and unable to break down stubborn teams. Wasn't the big deal about McKenna his coaching background. Improving players, for example. I do think we're a better team than last year, but maybe not enough and how much of that is down to throwing money around or tbe coaching/man-management? |  | | |
| Our Manager on 16:50 - Feb 12 with 1066 views | RegencyBlue |
Money doesn’t necessarily buy success, ask Derby fans about that!
I think McKenna will turn out to be a very good manager but he’s not the finished article and there are a few things that niggle me. The obviously pre planned substitutions which take place regardless of what is happening on the pitch, yesterday for example I personally thought we were playing our best football when they started and lost us some of the momentum we were building, is one. Another is the constant tinkering with the starting eleven. I’m old school in that I believe you decide on your best eleven and start them as often as you can.
Having said that the calling for his head by a few is ridiculous at this point. Whatever happens this season I’m sure he will be here next although if we are still in this League and don’t start well Gamechanger might get a bit twitchy! |  | | |
| Our Manager on 17:00 - Feb 12 with 1053 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Our Manager on 10:44 - Feb 12 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think we have put a 'run' of two consecutive wins together since early October. |
25th October rather than "early". |  |
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| Our Manager on 17:05 - Feb 12 with 1047 views | BigCommon |
| Our Manager on 13:24 - Feb 12 by FrimleyBlue |
Ahadme, Harness, Keogh, Hirst... not amazing signings imo.
Also, please can you advise how KM is improving all the time? what exactly is improving? - genuine question here. |
Ahadme broke his foot, Hirst is on loan, Harness has been pretty good imo. And Keogh was signed to add some experience, not play week in week out..
KM, is improving, in that he is learning all the time. His in game changes are generally good. Most people with a brain, would realise that when he was appointed, we were going to witness some short term short comings , from a young inexperienced manager.. I'm happy with what I'm seeing from him. You try to make out we are going backwards..Imo, we have stepped a long way forwards in the year he has been here. I hope he's here for a good few years yet. He coaches a style of football that I absolutely love watching.. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 17:20 - Feb 12 with 1004 views | TractorWood |
I think we are mentally weak and lack belief. The squad is decent and plays a slick but ultimately one dimensional brand of football which is not utilitarian enough for a real mixed bag of a league.
I like McKenna, his brand of football is excellent, the club is in great shape but the odd signing, the odd substitution or lack thereof and the odd selection make me wonder if he's even close to figuring out the finer detail.
I'd be really surprised if we finish above 4th now. I'm braced for inevitable playoff failure. [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 18:01]
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| Our Manager on 17:49 - Feb 12 with 963 views | BigCommon |
| Our Manager on 13:36 - Feb 12 by franz_tyson |
"And hes improving all the time.."
Are we (or he)? I thought he inherited good players and has had very good backing financially- but I wouldn't say we're improving at the moment. The last 2-3 months haven't been good and we've still got reoccurring problems in defence and unable to break down stubborn teams. Wasn't the big deal about McKenna his coaching background. Improving players, for example. I do think we're a better team than last year, but maybe not enough and how much of that is down to throwing money around or tbe coaching/man-management? |
Of course he's improving.. He'll be experiencing situations he hasn't found himself in, and learning from them..And at the same time, learning more about his players mentalities.
"Man management "? I'll give you that... I also think that is an area he's learning, atm. Not sure hes a natural motivator. And neither am I sure how, young, modern game players, respond to old scholl tea cups amd hair dryer treatment..He's more of a "trust the process" type, imo.
I'm really enjoying watching the whole McKenna journey.
Absolutely love the bloke..And whatever happens, I'll have an eye on his career. [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 17:53]
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| Our Manager on 18:19 - Feb 12 with 934 views | bobbyramsey |
| Our Manager on 11:20 - Feb 12 by pointofblue |
If that’s the case why hire him? This is his first managerial role, of course he’d have to learn on the job. And bear in mind, this squad is only slightly better on paper than the one Cook made a complete mess with. |
I wonder how long GC are prepared to wait for KM to “learn?” |  | | |
| Our Manager on 18:35 - Feb 12 with 929 views | franz_tyson |
| Our Manager on 17:49 - Feb 12 by BigCommon |
Of course he's improving.. He'll be experiencing situations he hasn't found himself in, and learning from them..And at the same time, learning more about his players mentalities.
"Man management "? I'll give you that... I also think that is an area he's learning, atm. Not sure hes a natural motivator. And neither am I sure how, young, modern game players, respond to old scholl tea cups amd hair dryer treatment..He's more of a "trust the process" type, imo.
I'm really enjoying watching the whole McKenna journey.
Absolutely love the bloke..And whatever happens, I'll have an eye on his career. [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 17:53]
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Well that's wonderful and I'm happy to give a bit of slack to a younger manager who can quickly learn from mistakes - but this isn't a project to develop the career of a manager and we're not it's guinea-pig or a training course. We need to get out of this league - first and foremost. The Kieran McKenna journey may be an interesting story - but I personally couldn't give a flying one about his career unless it is linked to us in an upward trajectory. Young managers like Schumacher seem to hit the ground running more quickly and still achieve more with less. | | | |
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| Our Manager on 19:00 - Feb 12 with 906 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Our Manager on 17:05 - Feb 12 by BigCommon |
Ahadme broke his foot, Hirst is on loan, Harness has been pretty good imo. And Keogh was signed to add some experience, not play week in week out..
KM, is improving, in that he is learning all the time. His in game changes are generally good. Most people with a brain, would realise that when he was appointed, we were going to witness some short term short comings , from a young inexperienced manager.. I'm happy with what I'm seeing from him. You try to make out we are going backwards..Imo, we have stepped a long way forwards in the year he has been here. I hope he's here for a good few years yet. He coaches a style of football that I absolutely love watching.. |
Top post BC.
A voice of reason and a sensible assessment. |  |
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| Our Manager on 19:08 - Feb 12 with 904 views | muhrensleftfoot |
I’m amazed anyone is questioning our young manager. Short memories of the miserable times under Jewell, Keane, Lambert, Hirst, and McCarthy’s stiflingly boring fare. This guy is head and shoulders above that lot. I actually enjoy going to Portman Road again after many years of dross. Let’s be patient and the good times will come. He’s only been in the job a little over a year and we are already unrecognisable from the sides of the last few years. Like everyone I hope this year will see us promoted, but I’m prepared to give him more time if that’s needed. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 19:09 - Feb 12 with 898 views | patrickswell |
| Our Manager on 18:35 - Feb 12 by franz_tyson |
Well that's wonderful and I'm happy to give a bit of slack to a younger manager who can quickly learn from mistakes - but this isn't a project to develop the career of a manager and we're not it's guinea-pig or a training course. We need to get out of this league - first and foremost. The Kieran McKenna journey may be an interesting story - but I personally couldn't give a flying one about his career unless it is linked to us in an upward trajectory. Young managers like Schumacher seem to hit the ground running more quickly and still achieve more with less. |
The same Shumacher who managed Plymouth out of the top 6 and into a 7th place last season. They lost a lot of games to the teams around them during the closing months of last season, including against us. We can only hope that McKenna is as good at learning from mistakes and putting them right next season, should we still be here. |  | | |
| Our Manager on 19:25 - Feb 12 with 872 views | pointofblue |
| Our Manager on 19:09 - Feb 12 by patrickswell |
The same Shumacher who managed Plymouth out of the top 6 and into a 7th place last season. They lost a lot of games to the teams around them during the closing months of last season, including against us. We can only hope that McKenna is as good at learning from mistakes and putting them right next season, should we still be here. |
Six points out of 21 from their final seven games. We need them to go on a similar run this time around. [Post edited 12 Feb 2023 19:26]
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| Our Manager on 19:30 - Feb 12 with 860 views | nshearman1 |
| Our Manager on 19:08 - Feb 12 by muhrensleftfoot |
I’m amazed anyone is questioning our young manager. Short memories of the miserable times under Jewell, Keane, Lambert, Hirst, and McCarthy’s stiflingly boring fare. This guy is head and shoulders above that lot. I actually enjoy going to Portman Road again after many years of dross. Let’s be patient and the good times will come. He’s only been in the job a little over a year and we are already unrecognisable from the sides of the last few years. Like everyone I hope this year will see us promoted, but I’m prepared to give him more time if that’s needed. |
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| Our Manager on 19:51 - Feb 12 with 854 views | Wickets |
| Our Manager on 19:08 - Feb 12 by muhrensleftfoot |
I’m amazed anyone is questioning our young manager. Short memories of the miserable times under Jewell, Keane, Lambert, Hirst, and McCarthy’s stiflingly boring fare. This guy is head and shoulders above that lot. I actually enjoy going to Portman Road again after many years of dross. Let’s be patient and the good times will come. He’s only been in the job a little over a year and we are already unrecognisable from the sides of the last few years. Like everyone I hope this year will see us promoted, but I’m prepared to give him more time if that’s needed. |
Yer i think i am happy with this as well . | | | |
| Our Manager on 20:04 - Feb 12 with 834 views | pointofblue |
| Our Manager on 19:08 - Feb 12 by muhrensleftfoot |
I’m amazed anyone is questioning our young manager. Short memories of the miserable times under Jewell, Keane, Lambert, Hirst, and McCarthy’s stiflingly boring fare. This guy is head and shoulders above that lot. I actually enjoy going to Portman Road again after many years of dross. Let’s be patient and the good times will come. He’s only been in the job a little over a year and we are already unrecognisable from the sides of the last few years. Like everyone I hope this year will see us promoted, but I’m prepared to give him more time if that’s needed. |
McCarthy had us punching above our weight nearly season after season.
Jewell, Hurst and Lambert didn't have this quality of squad available to them.
Keane is the only real legitimate comparison.
Not that I'd have any of them back. | |
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| Our Manager on 20:50 - Feb 12 with 781 views | Stewart27 |
| Our Manager on 10:40 - Feb 12 by MattinLondon |
If I’m being totally honest then we should be doing better. Let’s face it, at the start of the season, failure would have been seen as finishing in the playoffs but still going up. Expectation was top two.
Failure to achieve promotion this season would have been viewed as total failure.
We really need to go on that elusive winning run - the next five matches have to see a return of 15 points if we are to go up automatically.
But.
After so much upheaval and false starts and a high rotation of players, even if we don’t go up this season then I’ll still want the club to stick with KM. The reason being based on style and promise - if we were playing hoofball under a manager who has gone round-and-round on the managerial roundabout then my thoughts would be totally different. Young managers like young players make mistakes but they only develop through time and patience. |
Going up through the play offs was never considered failure.
Unless I’m missing something.
IMHO play offs was par this season. | | | |
| Our Manager on 21:22 - Feb 12 with 755 views | BigCommon |
| Our Manager on 18:35 - Feb 12 by franz_tyson |
Well that's wonderful and I'm happy to give a bit of slack to a younger manager who can quickly learn from mistakes - but this isn't a project to develop the career of a manager and we're not it's guinea-pig or a training course. We need to get out of this league - first and foremost. The Kieran McKenna journey may be an interesting story - but I personally couldn't give a flying one about his career unless it is linked to us in an upward trajectory. Young managers like Schumacher seem to hit the ground running more quickly and still achieve more with less. |
Schumacher has been at Plymouth since 2019, So he's very much in familiar surroundings. Hasn't had to relocate himself and his family. And knows very well half the Plymouth squad inside out. Knows what it needed. Knows their mindsets, I could go on.... As much as he's done a good job and deserves some credit. He's 3-4 years into that project. Just wearing a different hat now.
To compare his situation to McKenna's, reveals the massive head start he's had over KM.
And when you add up the value of some of Plymouths loans, and the wages they should be paying, but aren't???? Be a good few million.. So in reality , Schumacher hasn't had less to work with, imo. What do you recon Azaz and Mumba should cost? for starters.
There's always another point of view.
And I certainly don't want to argue with anyone.
But it would've been interesting to see how Schumacher got on, if he had to plonk himself and his life up at Sheffield. W. for instance. With no knowledge of the squad, but a bit of a budget. Then we could have made a more realistic comparison. | | | |
| Our Manager on 21:37 - Feb 12 with 728 views | Coastalblue |
| Our Manager on 10:57 - Feb 12 by bobbyramsey |
Agreed, Gamechanger hired KM to get us out of this league, not to learn on the job........ |
Don't agree, I think the management appointment is along similar lines to some of the player recruitment process. Pick somebody they feel has a high ceiling and develop them, whilst accepting it won't be a line heading straight upwards. |  |
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| Our Manager on 21:40 - Feb 12 with 722 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Our Manager on 21:22 - Feb 12 by BigCommon |
Schumacher has been at Plymouth since 2019, So he's very much in familiar surroundings. Hasn't had to relocate himself and his family. And knows very well half the Plymouth squad inside out. Knows what it needed. Knows their mindsets, I could go on.... As much as he's done a good job and deserves some credit. He's 3-4 years into that project. Just wearing a different hat now.
To compare his situation to McKenna's, reveals the massive head start he's had over KM.
And when you add up the value of some of Plymouths loans, and the wages they should be paying, but aren't???? Be a good few million.. So in reality , Schumacher hasn't had less to work with, imo. What do you recon Azaz and Mumba should cost? for starters.
There's always another point of view.
And I certainly don't want to argue with anyone.
But it would've been interesting to see how Schumacher got on, if he had to plonk himself and his life up at Sheffield. W. for instance. With no knowledge of the squad, but a bit of a budget. Then we could have made a more realistic comparison. |
Haven't they signed like 29 players in 2 seasons. Obviously lots of loaness included. So alot of squad changes within that. |  |
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| Our Manager on 22:44 - Feb 12 with 666 views | BigCommon |
| Our Manager on 21:40 - Feb 12 by FrimleyBlue |
Haven't they signed like 29 players in 2 seasons. Obviously lots of loaness included. So alot of squad changes within that. |
I don't know how many ins and outs they've had tbf.... Be interesting to see how long some of their back bone have been there. Scarr? Hardie?.. I believe Cooper came through their system.. I'm sure a few have worked with Schumacher a while now... My point was, that when you look at the finer detail, comparing KM's first job in management with Schumachers, is not a straight forward comparison... If people want to do that to suit their agender, that's up to them. But its a very poor argument, imo. And slightly unfair on our manager.... Give him 3-4 years at the same club like Schumachers had, and then compare. Would be a lot farer imo.. | | | |
| Our Manager on 06:25 - Feb 13 with 555 views | PioneerBlue |
In fairness, I accept people are expecting an easier passage out of L1 after the build up and money exchanging hands to accelerate things. However, we finished 11th last season, P6 is progress, that is what position I thought we’d finish at the beginning of Aug before the window was complete. I still think P6 would be progress, and expect we are on target for P4-P6 and we’d have a shot at the playoffs.
People need to relax and let the season take its course; the club is all aiming for a successful conclusion. If it is playoffs we need to build the resilience between now and then to make that a sure thing - I would put us down to beat any team in this league over two games (perhaps except Plymouth as it stands).
I’m backing KMcK this season, expect him to be building for the championship or another shot at L1 in Aug. If we are still in L1 in Aug, expectation will have risen significantly on my part. | |
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| Our Manager on 06:56 - Feb 13 with 548 views | hype313 |
Football Management is never always Champagne and Roses, they will be rocky times and it's about having the gravitas to get through them, if we binned off every manager that goes through a bit of a downturn we'd be a basket case and McKenna for me has all the minerals to get us where we need to be.
Having said that, a couple of things do annoy me such as the constant rotation across the pitch, in certain positions I feel you need to have consistency for players to build up relationships, certainly at the back, it just looks to me like he doesn't have confidence in either Burgess or Edmondson whilst the pre planned substitions is a head scratcher, the subs on Saturday just seemed to stifle us and stop our momentum.
I'm sure he will look at that as he seems like someone who evaluates thier own performance as much as others.
It's not bed wetting to question the odd decision, but to bin him off during a bump in the road certainly is. |  |
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| Our Manager on 07:17 - Feb 13 with 516 views | ArchiRob |
I am getting concerned
Leaving your in-form striker on the bench for a game of this magnitude is bewildering, can't think of any top managers doing this. Hurst is unproven with us with a single goal he may or may not have scored smacks of a gamble. I don't know how they perform in training but you make the call and it comes off you are a genius but when it doesn't you invite criticism. |  |
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| Our Manager on 07:19 - Feb 13 with 514 views | franz_tyson |
I'm all for sticking with McKenna and depending what happens - evaluate his position at the end of the season ... BUT I truly get the feeling many have been sucked in too heavily with his hype. it's like they believe he's a reincarnation of Sir Bobby and we've got something very special..... and he must be protected at all costs. Piffle! He doesn't have to do anything special or turnaround a club or over-achieve.... just make typical manager's decisions in regards to selection/substitutions, cut out schoolboy errors and add a bit of grit to our soft underbelly. Just do a 7/10 no-frills job. I will however applaud his football when we have got it right as its great to watch, but that type of football isn't sustainable for 90 mins every match. And any club -even lowly ones - fancy playing us because they know we're a bit flakey. Just get out of this league first and then he can do the flashy stuff once we're in the PL. | | | |
| Our Manager on 07:38 - Feb 13 with 493 views | chicoazul |
Our Manager is managing us towards the greatest failure in our history. To have all the resources staff expensive new players and infrastructure, to go top, and to blow it in such spectacular style, is truly amazing. |  |
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