| Oh Jeremy on 18:57 - Mar 29 with 1440 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:44 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-supporter-sentenced-for-antisem
Corbyn supporter sentenced for abuse against Jewish MPs
Labour activist Nick Nelson, 29, was given a 20-week suspended prison sentence on Monday at Westminster Magistrates' Court after calling Ms Berger a "vile useless Tory c**t" who was "using Judaism as a weapon".
In another message, he labelled Ms Smeeth a "red Tory traitor."
Another Corbyn supporting Labour member sent vile emails describing Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger of being “Sh1t stirring Zionist c*m buckets, bought and paid for by Israel.”
She was attacked by the far right and Corbyn supporting Labour members. Members of her own party.
Six people have been convicted in the courts for aiming antisemitic abuse at Luciana. 4 far right and two from her own party.
Keir Starmer:
“You were forced out by intimidation, thuggery and racism”
What you have linked is a pro Corbyn propaganda piece. I gave up at “Witchunt”. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 18:56]
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Jewish Chronicle, The Sun, GlasgowBlue ... shonky propaganda at its worst.
You’re just repeating the smeary narrative with the same smeary conflation. It’s not credible if you actually look at the details.
But of course you won’t because the evidence never helps you. You’ll just move to another smeary accusation in 3...2...1 |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 18:58 - Mar 29 with 1437 views | Ryorry |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:44 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-supporter-sentenced-for-antisem
Corbyn supporter sentenced for abuse against Jewish MPs
Labour activist Nick Nelson, 29, was given a 20-week suspended prison sentence on Monday at Westminster Magistrates' Court after calling Ms Berger a "vile useless Tory c**t" who was "using Judaism as a weapon".
In another message, he labelled Ms Smeeth a "red Tory traitor."
Another Corbyn supporting Labour member sent vile emails describing Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger of being “Sh1t stirring Zionist c*m buckets, bought and paid for by Israel.”
She was attacked by the far right and Corbyn supporting Labour members. Members of her own party.
Six people have been convicted in the courts for aiming antisemitic abuse at Luciana. 4 far right and two from her own party.
Keir Starmer:
“You were forced out by intimidation, thuggery and racism”
What you have linked is a pro Corbyn propaganda piece. I gave up at “Witchunt”. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 18:56]
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Suggest you read the whole thing when you're better. It did cover the Nelson creature btw. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 19:07 - Mar 29 with 1388 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:57 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
Jewish Chronicle, The Sun, GlasgowBlue ... shonky propaganda at its worst.
You’re just repeating the smeary narrative with the same smeary conflation. It’s not credible if you actually look at the details.
But of course you won’t because the evidence never helps you. You’ll just move to another smeary accusation in 3...2...1 |
You are beyond help. Are you seriously denying that Labour activist Nick Nelson was sentenced in court for his vile antisemitic abuse of Luciana Berger? Because it’s reported in the JC?
I really wish you’d crawl back under your rock koonters. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 19:08 - Mar 29 with 1390 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:51 - Mar 29 by positivity |
as ever, no ability to answer the questions or back up your ridiculous comments, happier to shelter in conspiracy theories and poor me politics.
the country can do better than that |
You’re right about one thing. The country can do a lot better.
But I really don’t see it through your reading of the situation or the way forward.
Let’s hope I’m wrong and we just need another round of centre-right politicians and policies to get us where we need to be. Instead of that looking like an impotent response to reality and the past 40 years of British government. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 19:11 - Mar 29 with 1379 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:55 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I’d rather leave your vile views on the board for people to see thanks. |
You really do have a fever! |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 19:24 - Mar 29 with 1365 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 19:07 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
You are beyond help. Are you seriously denying that Labour activist Nick Nelson was sentenced in court for his vile antisemitic abuse of Luciana Berger? Because it’s reported in the JC?
I really wish you’d crawl back under your rock koonters. |
Crawl back under yours.
Nick Nelson is/was a nasty piece of work and seemingly unhinged too. But his behaviour was never tolerated by anyone. There is no place for him in Labour.
But this is one individual when your and her insinuation was that she was getting antisemitic abuse and death threats from others within Labour and that’s why she left the party. Nothing at all to do with her being a fierce Blairite and a fierce pro-Israel/anti-Palestine supporter who couldn’t abide the idea of a leftwing anti-racist in power? | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 19:34 - Mar 29 with 1344 views | Darth_Koont |
Cheers for that. Not sure I’ve read this particular one but I recognise the evidence as it’s been covered elsewhere too.
But you know what they say, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth has got its pants on. There’s really no shortage of evidence destroying the narrative but it’s too late by then. Another reason to be concerned about our press who don’t seem capable of actual journalism anymore. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 19:49 - Mar 29 with 1309 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oh Jeremy on 09:20 - Mar 29 by Ryorry |
Will give it a listen later, thanks - you're spot on re discussion of the two main parties on here - always ends up in groundhog day #19,100+ with the same two people slagging off anyone who sees it even slightly differently than they do 
And those of us who see it slightly differently saying the same old same old things ourselves - I've reached the point of boring myself with my own stuff! |
You’re not wrong, Groundhog Day indeed 
It’s all very repetitive and very dull. Loads of time and energy wasted on arguing over someone who looks like his political career is coming to an end, while the country falls into a state of disrepair (public services), inequality and impoverishment (poorest would be better of in Eastern Europe), and catastrophic environmental and ecosystem degradation.
But Corbyn.
Fk Corbyn. Let’s look to what we need to do to improve. Anyone but this version of the Tories would be an excellent start, but we really need something a bit different that puts people and the environment at the heart of what we are, not the Bullingdon Club tossers, bankers* and the non-dom press and corporate oligarchy.
I bet very few of us would say what we have now works for us, our family/friends or the areas we live in. So why the resistance to look for something different?
*we obviously need some bankers; it’s the ones who create and/or profit from shocks that are to our detriment we don’t need, like Sunak. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 20:30 - Mar 29 with 1262 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 19:49 - Mar 29 by Swansea_Blue |
You’re not wrong, Groundhog Day indeed
It’s all very repetitive and very dull. Loads of time and energy wasted on arguing over someone who looks like his political career is coming to an end, while the country falls into a state of disrepair (public services), inequality and impoverishment (poorest would be better of in Eastern Europe), and catastrophic environmental and ecosystem degradation.
But Corbyn.
Fk Corbyn. Let’s look to what we need to do to improve. Anyone but this version of the Tories would be an excellent start, but we really need something a bit different that puts people and the environment at the heart of what we are, not the Bullingdon Club tossers, bankers* and the non-dom press and corporate oligarchy.
I bet very few of us would say what we have now works for us, our family/friends or the areas we live in. So why the resistance to look for something different?
*we obviously need some bankers; it’s the ones who create and/or profit from shocks that are to our detriment we don’t need, like Sunak. |
I agree that Corbyn doesn’t/shouldn’t matter. He’s one man and his views aren’t uncommon in the modern world, certainly not the rest of Europe.
But he’s a case study for why “putting people and the environment at the heart of what we are” is destined to fail unless we can recognise the powerful forces against that.
We have a joke of a democratic system that guarantees two parties cycling in and out of power bringing a political class and all its self-interest and self-absorption. We have a media that has been bought or, failing that, brought into line to get access, content and/or funding. We have lobbyists and corporate backers all over the place fighting for the right to develop oil fields, pollute rivers or bomb brown people. And we have an electorate that’s been fed on all this for decades but without hearing anyone really address the underlying issues in society and the economy with any seriousness or awareness that these are largely the result of the above.
These status quo-lovers were the most motivated and active in destroying Corbyn and the prospect of social democratic change. And the same people who have propped up Tory and Tory Lite governments for decades.
So fk Corbyn as long as we get real about the needs of the country as a whole and the solutions. But that requires a much higher standard of integrity and objectivity to get there – and there’s no incentive for that to happen in our current system that still represents narrow interests and indeed self-interest more than people. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 20:41 - Mar 29 with 1244 views | Herbivore |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:44 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-supporter-sentenced-for-antisem
Corbyn supporter sentenced for abuse against Jewish MPs
Labour activist Nick Nelson, 29, was given a 20-week suspended prison sentence on Monday at Westminster Magistrates' Court after calling Ms Berger a "vile useless Tory c**t" who was "using Judaism as a weapon".
In another message, he labelled Ms Smeeth a "red Tory traitor."
Another Corbyn supporting Labour member sent vile emails describing Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger of being “Sh1t stirring Zionist c*m buckets, bought and paid for by Israel.”
She was attacked by the far right and Corbyn supporting Labour members. Members of her own party.
Six people have been convicted in the courts for aiming antisemitic abuse at Luciana. 4 far right and two from her own party.
Keir Starmer:
“You were forced out by intimidation, thuggery and racism”
What you have linked is a pro Corbyn propaganda piece. I gave up at “Witchunt”. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 18:56]
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Clearly Nick Nelson is a horrible individual, but as the article you cite mentions he wasn't a member of the Labour party at the time of his conviction and it also doesn't provide evidence that he was ever a Labour member. That doesn't mean his behaviour wasn't awful of course but it's hard to see how this reflects systematic issues when he may or may not have ever been a Labour member. Given some of the racism that is seen on the reg by actual Tory councillors, for example, it's hard to see how this is a stick to beat Labour with. If there is evidence that he was a Labour member under Corbyn and that his behaviour wasn't addressed then clearly that changes things significantly. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 21:30 - Mar 29 with 1172 views | Blueschev |
| Oh Jeremy on 20:41 - Mar 29 by Herbivore |
Clearly Nick Nelson is a horrible individual, but as the article you cite mentions he wasn't a member of the Labour party at the time of his conviction and it also doesn't provide evidence that he was ever a Labour member. That doesn't mean his behaviour wasn't awful of course but it's hard to see how this reflects systematic issues when he may or may not have ever been a Labour member. Given some of the racism that is seen on the reg by actual Tory councillors, for example, it's hard to see how this is a stick to beat Labour with. If there is evidence that he was a Labour member under Corbyn and that his behaviour wasn't addressed then clearly that changes things significantly. |
It also fails to mention that Nelson is himself Jewish. |  | | |
| Oh Jeremy on 21:54 - Mar 29 with 1125 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh Jeremy on 21:30 - Mar 29 by Blueschev |
It also fails to mention that Nelson is himself Jewish. |
In which case he needs to be a female Sun journalist and cry more! | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 22:45 - Mar 29 with 1084 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh Jeremy on 21:30 - Mar 29 by Blueschev |
It also fails to mention that Nelson is himself Jewish. |
Why is that relevant? If in fact it’s true. I can’t find any mention of his ethno/religious grouping.
After all, it was you who was very adamant that Jews such as Gilad Atzmon are capable of being anti semites.
We’ve had other Labour members send bike abuse to Luciana when she was pregnant, hoping her any would die.
She was driven out of Labour by rampant antisemitism. Keir Starmer acknowledged this in the statement I linked.
There seems a desperation to shout this down, despite the findings of the EHRC and Hope Not Hate. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 10:25]
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| Oh Jeremy on 23:25 - Mar 29 with 1041 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 22:45 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Why is that relevant? If in fact it’s true. I can’t find any mention of his ethno/religious grouping.
After all, it was you who was very adamant that Jews such as Gilad Atzmon are capable of being anti semites.
We’ve had other Labour members send bike abuse to Luciana when she was pregnant, hoping her any would die.
She was driven out of Labour by rampant antisemitism. Keir Starmer acknowledged this in the statement I linked.
There seems a desperation to shout this down, despite the findings of the EHRC and Hope Not Hate. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 10:25]
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The desperation is coming from you. I don’t think you’re capable of presenting any of this without the worst take and a misrepresentation of the facts.
Going by your record on here, if you say it or promote it, then I’d strongly advise people to check the verifiable facts first. Odds on it’s not objectively accurate. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 23:34 - Mar 29 with 1012 views | Ryorry |
| Oh Jeremy on 22:45 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Why is that relevant? If in fact it’s true. I can’t find any mention of his ethno/religious grouping.
After all, it was you who was very adamant that Jews such as Gilad Atzmon are capable of being anti semites.
We’ve had other Labour members send bike abuse to Luciana when she was pregnant, hoping her any would die.
She was driven out of Labour by rampant antisemitism. Keir Starmer acknowledged this in the statement I linked.
There seems a desperation to shout this down, despite the findings of the EHRC and Hope Not Hate. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 10:25]
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Can you supply evidence to support what you say in your third para that "We’ve had other Labour members send bike ((I assume you mean 'vile')) abuse to Luciana when she was pregnant, hoping her any ((I assume you mean 'baby')) would die?
The facts & evidence detailed in the link I posted don't support in any way your assertion in your fourth para that "She was driven out of Labour by rampant antisemitism" - quite the opposite - bar one LP member, that was ruled out after thorough investigation.
If you want to counter the extensively detailed facts in that link, I suggest you wait till you're fully recovered, it'll be no easy task & you should be resting. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 23:47 - Mar 29 with 978 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:20 - Mar 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
When are centrists going to realise that they are the bit the actual sh1t comes out of? |
How’s Brexit working out for you? |  | | |
| Oh Jeremy on 06:46 - Mar 30 with 873 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh Jeremy on 23:34 - Mar 29 by Ryorry |
Can you supply evidence to support what you say in your third para that "We’ve had other Labour members send bike ((I assume you mean 'vile')) abuse to Luciana when she was pregnant, hoping her any ((I assume you mean 'baby')) would die?
The facts & evidence detailed in the link I posted don't support in any way your assertion in your fourth para that "She was driven out of Labour by rampant antisemitism" - quite the opposite - bar one LP member, that was ruled out after thorough investigation.
If you want to counter the extensively detailed facts in that link, I suggest you wait till you're fully recovered, it'll be no easy task & you should be resting. |
I’ve linked this before. I’m not in the mood for doing it all over again. However….
“One particularly horrible tweet shortly before she resigned, from a former Labour member said, “Let’s all pray the same fate awaits @Lucianaberger’s baby that she wishes for all Palestinian babies.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luciana-berger-interview-corbyn-and-labours-a
Or how about this
“ In one Facebook post contained in the dossier, a party member was shown to have written: “Zionist Extremist MP Luciana Berger, who hates civilised people, about (to) get a good kicking!”
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-snubs-mp-luciana-berger-over-assault-t
And for the final time. Keir Starmer’s statement on Luciana Berger leaving the Labour Party :
“You left because you were forced out by intimidation, thuggery and racism,” he wrote. “Yours was a principled and brave move. But it was one you should never have been forced to take. That day will forever be a stain on Labour’s history.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/25/luciana-berger-rejoins-labour-a
He added: “The abuse you suffered was disgusting. You were left isolated and exposed. Shamefully, those who should have defended you stood by.”
So unless you believe Keir Starmer is a liar I suggest you believe Luciana Berger was hounded out of the Labour party by antisemitism
Btw the author of your ‘detailed’ article is Bob Bitt, author of such balanced articles such as:
“Is Tom Watson paid by wealthy Zionists to ‘represent a foreign power’?”
“New wave of disciplinary action against Labour members: A rightwing campaign to purge the left”
“Brighton Labour councillors targeted in antisemitism witch-hunt”
“ Fascists in defence of ‘democratic values’? The whitewashing of the Ukrainian far right continues”
This is his balanced view on the antisemitic mural that Corbyn defended…….
“ In March 2018, however, long after it had been forgotten, the controversy was suddenly reignited by then Labour MP Luciana Berger, as part of the campaign by the Labour right and their allies in the Zionist establishment to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. This time it produced a quite hysterical reaction, with the Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council organising an angry demonstration outside parliament to denounce the Corbyn-led Labour Party as a hotbed of antisemitism.”
“Zionist establishment” FFS. Antisemitic conspiracy theories much?
He’s a left wing crank Corbyn apologist. You’ve been had I’m afraid. So you’ll forgive me if I believe Luciana Berger, a Jewish woman who says she was driven out of the Labour Party by antisemitism, and Sir Keir Starmer, when he says Luciana was driven out of the Labour Party by “ intimidation, thuggery and racism, rather than some pro Corbyn crank.
And I’m definitely leaving it there. Been there, done it so many times before. Just read my greatest hits, the EHRC report or the Hope Not Hate report.
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| Oh Jeremy on 08:10 - Mar 30 with 794 views | tractordownsouth |
| Oh Jeremy on 11:51 - Mar 29 by Herbivore |
Why aren't we talking about nationalising energy when we've seen how the private sector struggles to cope with shocks to the system and it results in less choice and costly government intervention to keep things going? Starmer has talked about a national green energy company, and that's probably the most progressive of his policies, but I'd argue it doesn't go far enough. I'd add water being nationalised as well, given water companies have a terrible track record on efficiencies and investing in infrastructure and they are literally pumping sh!t into rivers and the sea on the reg. Not heard much from Labour on that score either. They've also put forward nothing concrete on addressing the real terms pay cuts that NHS and public sector workers have endured over the past 14 years. I'd like to see them talking about things like 4 day working weeks and universal basic income, but these things are far too progressive for the current Labour party. |
I'm still yet to be convinced by UBI. I'd be open to a pilot but not sure it's the silver bullet some seem to suggest it is. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 08:10 - Mar 30 with 787 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:57 - Mar 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A meaningful social democracy is yesterday's dream and Stamer will save the Universe....ok, got it now. |
labour'll do more good than your sitting on your hands and enabling the bravermans sunaks and raabs of this world | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 08:14 - Mar 30 with 776 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh Jeremy on 08:10 - Mar 30 by positivity |
labour'll do more good than your sitting on your hands and enabling the bravermans sunaks and raabs of this world |
That good....I'm sold! | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 08:15 - Mar 30 with 773 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 19:08 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
You’re right about one thing. The country can do a lot better.
But I really don’t see it through your reading of the situation or the way forward.
Let’s hope I’m wrong and we just need another round of centre-right politicians and policies to get us where we need to be. Instead of that looking like an impotent response to reality and the past 40 years of British government. |
you can't answer direct questions, and you can't provide any answers to the problems you identify.
acting like boris johnson in front of a committee doesn't help anyone. you can do better, surely? where's your solutions?
or are you (like bankster) ready to let the worst possible government get in to speed up social and environmental collapse, in the vague hope of an anarchist utopia (with no regard to the lives & misery that will entail)? | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 08:17 - Mar 30 with 770 views | positivity |
if a braverman new world is what you want, you're welcome to it.
i'm going to continue to vote and agitate against that scenario though; you just carry on enabling | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 09:12 - Mar 30 with 713 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 08:15 - Mar 30 by positivity |
you can't answer direct questions, and you can't provide any answers to the problems you identify.
acting like boris johnson in front of a committee doesn't help anyone. you can do better, surely? where's your solutions?
or are you (like bankster) ready to let the worst possible government get in to speed up social and environmental collapse, in the vague hope of an anarchist utopia (with no regard to the lives & misery that will entail)? |
Nah. You just dismiss my answers and solutions.
You evidently think that our political system will support change so we should embrace the system. I think that’s deeply flawed based on the reality of how our political system actually works and especially the reality of how Labour is now run as a gatekeeper and will block more progressive alternatives.
When Labour had a progressive alternative with rising support in the country, these same people tore it down. You surely don’t expect them to encourage those kind of policies (or even any debate around them) now they’ve got control back? | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 10:17 - Mar 30 with 667 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 09:12 - Mar 30 by Darth_Koont |
Nah. You just dismiss my answers and solutions.
You evidently think that our political system will support change so we should embrace the system. I think that’s deeply flawed based on the reality of how our political system actually works and especially the reality of how Labour is now run as a gatekeeper and will block more progressive alternatives.
When Labour had a progressive alternative with rising support in the country, these same people tore it down. You surely don’t expect them to encourage those kind of policies (or even any debate around them) now they’ve got control back? |
ok direct questions:-
you think 20 (or 12!) of labour's mps will be left wing. which 13 of the scg aren't left wing in your opinion?
do you seriously think all of the other 165 (or 300 if they win an election) labour mps are centre/right?
is a higher windfall tax positive or negative? progressive or regressive?
is increased public health spending positive or negative? progressive or regressive?
is increased green economy spending positive or negative? progressive or regressive?
the only real-world alternative is the tories who would be regressive if emboldened and enabled by the left washing their hands of power and actual change.
do you think the left are better off wasting political oxygen campaigning on yesterday's arguments and yesterday's men (and it does seem to be always men!) or engaging with the only progressive and positive viable alternative? [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 10:19]
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