| Oh Jeremy on 13:26 - Mar 29 with 1147 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 12:31 - Mar 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Starmer isn't in power. If/when he gets in and doesn't deliver these pledges, then you'll have a point. |
But these pledges don’t feature or have been heavily redacted in his missions and other statements/parliamentary interventions over the past 3 years.
Something’s got to give. Because who he said he was to the membership and who he says he is to the country have become two very different things. It’s a little late to be finding out who he and the current Labour Party really are in government and who they’re happiest lying to. But based on their zeal to marginalise and force socialists and social democrats out of the party (many of whom would have voted for Starmer on the face value of his pledges) then I think we can take an educated guess. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 13:31 - Mar 29 with 1121 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:07 - Mar 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You appear to have forgotten how to read again. Where have I said your smear campaign contributed to Starmer's decision?
"You've been sticking the boot into Corbyn long after your smear campaign worked" - suggests it worked, and ended, ages ago.
Once again you GlasgowSwerveâ„¢ the more difficult points - "you got the Tory government you wanted (not to mention Brexit)... the country is in the state that it's in because of people like you. You might as well just own it and be proud of it... the truth is the bogeyman's gone and the problems still remain."
Also, no-one actually put an old man in a bin. Just you and your silly avatar.
EDIT TO ADDRESS YOUR EDIT: Actually I'm not going to lower myself. Your pathetic childish insults suggest I've hit the nail on the head. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 13:11]
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Hmmm. The Tory government I wanted. The one I didn’t vote for.
We do this every six months or so Dolly. And every time you end up apologising to me.
Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London by The_Flashing_Smile 23 Jul 2022 16:18My apologies. I didn't realise you'd been out of the Tory party so long.
My mistake.
I will call out racism and bigotry, even from people whose political views align with my own, if it's obvious, factual and evidential. I won't do it on hearsay and 'guilt by association' arguments. That's the difference between Boris and Corbyn. If Corbyn had said anything like some of the stuff Boris has I would cease to support him and indeed call him out. It hasn't happened yet.
That you regurgitate the same nonsense means you are either happy to keep deliberately pushing the same lie or you are a little bit dim. Which is it Dollers?
Edit. Oh look who is swerving now. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 13:55]
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| Oh Jeremy on 13:40 - Mar 29 with 1075 views | GlasgowBlue |
And Starmer’s purge of the left in Leicester gathers more pace 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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| Oh Jeremy on 13:43 - Mar 29 with 1046 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 12:59 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I can’t believe it was so easy to fool Keir Starmer into believing my smear campaign against St Jeremy. After all, it was Keir who has put Corbyn in the bin.
My reach must be greater than I thought as the NEC unanimously backed Starmer’s motion yesterday.
Oh and let’s not forget the three leading British Jewish newspapers who fell for my smear campaign. Or the 80% of British Jews. Or the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Labour Movement and the Chief
Rabbi. Hope Not Hate. The EHRC.
What a reach I have.
You’ve soiled yourself defending this grubby little man who brought the Labour Party into disrepute by overseeing a crisis that saw the EHRC find Labour guilty of anti Jewish discrimination under his leadership.
You should have stuck to re posting Russell Brand’s words crackpot and dangerous conspiracies. At least people would have only thought you were a little dim and easily lead, rather than an apologist for antisemitism. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 13:04]
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Those newspapers helped drive the smear campaign. Seriously, Corbyn was an “existential threat to British Jews”!!?
Fear-mongering, raising the spectre of the Holocaust and weaponising antisemitism is pretty disgusting. And seeing everybody including our useless press nodding along despite the lack of evidence is deeply concerning.
But unfortunately Corbyn was seen as fair game, seemingly because he threatened the cosy right-wing status quo of the British establishment and its own interests. Now it’s Starmer and the Labour right who are being feted as the people to shut down that threat and keep those interests largely intact.
An opposition that’s acceptable to you and others of your ilk isn’t an opposition in any meaningful sense. That’s the existential threat to our democracy and society that we should take seriously on its own terms. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 13:44 - Mar 29 with 1033 views | jaykay |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:20 - Mar 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ quietly disappeared beneath the waves without any fuss or anyone else being blamed”
Should have done that after losing a popularity contest to Teresa May…
Stepped aside, let someone else carry out his manifesto = election won/change enacted. |
i think you will find corbyn won an extra 30 seats and may lost 13 seats in that popularity contest. it may of cost 1 billion to keep her in power with her payment to the dup. just think what that some of money would have done for the nhs |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 13:50 - Mar 29 with 1009 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:44 - Mar 29 by jaykay |
i think you will find corbyn won an extra 30 seats and may lost 13 seats in that popularity contest. it may of cost 1 billion to keep her in power with her payment to the dup. just think what that some of money would have done for the nhs |
He still came second to May. If Ipswich get 96 points, the usual required amount for top two in League one, but Wednesday and Plymouth get 98 then we are still in 3rd place.
Corbyn came second to May in a two horse race. May increased her vote share compared to Cameron in 2015.
Oh Jeremy by GlasgowBlue 27 Mar 2023 16:22Yep. In 2017 T May got 2.5 million votes than Cameron did in 2015. Cameron got a majority and May lost it.
You’d have to be stark raving bonkers to convince somebody that May’s result was better than Cameron’s.
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:02 - Mar 29 with 956 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:31 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Hmmm. The Tory government I wanted. The one I didn’t vote for.
We do this every six months or so Dolly. And every time you end up apologising to me.
Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London by The_Flashing_Smile 23 Jul 2022 16:18My apologies. I didn't realise you'd been out of the Tory party so long.
My mistake.
I will call out racism and bigotry, even from people whose political views align with my own, if it's obvious, factual and evidential. I won't do it on hearsay and 'guilt by association' arguments. That's the difference between Boris and Corbyn. If Corbyn had said anything like some of the stuff Boris has I would cease to support him and indeed call him out. It hasn't happened yet.
That you regurgitate the same nonsense means you are either happy to keep deliberately pushing the same lie or you are a little bit dim. Which is it Dollers?
Edit. Oh look who is swerving now. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 13:55]
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Where have I said you voted for the latest lot?
Again, reading and comprehension not your strongest points. Nor the ability to remember timelines.
The smear campaign against Corbyn caused Labour to fail and the Tories to win. You were a huge part of the smearing, constantly across these pages, one of the useful idiots spreading it (and obviously voted for the Tories too). The Tories have been in power ever since, regardless of if you realised the errors of your ways in the intervening years. (No mention of Brexit, I note).
You are a (admittedly small) part of where we are now. You can't just wash your hands of the whole thing when you played a part in getting this party in.
As a side note, I'd also like you to link where I've reposted a "Russell Brand crackpot and dangerous conspiracy". And when you've apologised for that lie, you can apologise for calling me "dim and easily lead and an apologist for antisemitism" but you'll probably suddenly be busy and have to go out or something... [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 14:11]
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:05 - Mar 29 with 955 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:31 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Hmmm. The Tory government I wanted. The one I didn’t vote for.
We do this every six months or so Dolly. And every time you end up apologising to me.
Musings on Corbyn as a possible candidate for Mayer of London by The_Flashing_Smile 23 Jul 2022 16:18My apologies. I didn't realise you'd been out of the Tory party so long.
My mistake.
I will call out racism and bigotry, even from people whose political views align with my own, if it's obvious, factual and evidential. I won't do it on hearsay and 'guilt by association' arguments. That's the difference between Boris and Corbyn. If Corbyn had said anything like some of the stuff Boris has I would cease to support him and indeed call him out. It hasn't happened yet.
That you regurgitate the same nonsense means you are either happy to keep deliberately pushing the same lie or you are a little bit dim. Which is it Dollers?
Edit. Oh look who is swerving now. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 13:55]
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Wowsers. I'm "swerving" because I failed to respond in half an hour, across lunchtime. I was making scrambled eggs on toast, if that's alright with you?
Your arguments are getting desperate in your old age Glassers. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:07 - Mar 29 with 946 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:50 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
He still came second to May. If Ipswich get 96 points, the usual required amount for top two in League one, but Wednesday and Plymouth get 98 then we are still in 3rd place.
Corbyn came second to May in a two horse race. May increased her vote share compared to Cameron in 2015.
Oh Jeremy by GlasgowBlue 27 Mar 2023 16:22Yep. In 2017 T May got 2.5 million votes than Cameron did in 2015. Cameron got a majority and May lost it.
You’d have to be stark raving bonkers to convince somebody that May’s result was better than Cameron’s.
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In 2017 Labour brought millions of voters back, reversing a fairly steep 20-year decline from the admittedly landslide victory in 1997. That in itself was after 17 years of overall unpopular Tory rule and against an unpopular leader in Major.
What happened after 2017? The full smear campaign really kicked into effect and the popular policies and socio-economic problems being addressed were sidelined. Our political and media class brought everything down to their level because that was the way to reclaim the agenda and see off the challenge to their interests and those of their backers.
No conspiracy either. Just the incentives/disincentives within our political system and a reflection of those who embrace that arrangement the most. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:20 - Mar 29 with 935 views | BiGDonnie |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:05 - Mar 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Wowsers. I'm "swerving" because I failed to respond in half an hour, across lunchtime. I was making scrambled eggs on toast, if that's alright with you?
Your arguments are getting desperate in your old age Glassers. |
Ketchup or brown sauce? I quite like my scrambled eggs to just have a bit of salt and pepper on. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:28 - Mar 29 with 923 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:20 - Mar 29 by BiGDonnie |
Ketchup or brown sauce? I quite like my scrambled eggs to just have a bit of salt and pepper on. |
Bit of sriracha actually, fancied a bit of a kick. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:40 - Mar 29 with 867 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:05 - Mar 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Wowsers. I'm "swerving" because I failed to respond in half an hour, across lunchtime. I was making scrambled eggs on toast, if that's alright with you?
Your arguments are getting desperate in your old age Glassers. |
Well, well, well. Glassers accuses me of swerving because I didn't reply within half an hour. Now HE'S failed to reply within his own allotted timeframe!
Is this;
a. Hypocrisy.
b. Irony.
c. Glassers finally admitting he is a swerver.
Answers on a postcard. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:41 - Mar 29 with 862 views | itfcjoe |
| Oh Jeremy on 12:36 - Mar 29 by unbelievablue |
I've not seen any evidence that Starmer will lurch leftwards from his legislative agenda.
Historical precedent, yes, but no evidence it would happen under him. He's blocking numerous leftist candidates. |
But in the scenario I've described above - if the left of the party can get a voting bloc and have consistency, a fixed agenda and not be factioanl amongst themselves then they will have a real opportunity to force him to do so because they will be kingmakers in getting votes passed.
Love or hate the ERG, but they have had a huge impact by doing exactly that to the Tories - but needs discipline and real leadership inside their group |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:52 - Mar 29 with 838 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:41 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
But in the scenario I've described above - if the left of the party can get a voting bloc and have consistency, a fixed agenda and not be factioanl amongst themselves then they will have a real opportunity to force him to do so because they will be kingmakers in getting votes passed.
Love or hate the ERG, but they have had a huge impact by doing exactly that to the Tories - but needs discipline and real leadership inside their group |
The ERG have power because they’re heavily connected to the Tory base and especially the populism that has kept the Tories (incredibly) in power.
Labour isn’t interested in their base as it goes against their own purpose of being an establishment party. The left will be expected to be quiet and if not they’ll be whipped and/or expelled. Our equally establishment-serving press can then be expected to applaud this.
How that translates into votes on specific matters where the dozen or so left-wing MPs can have an impact? No idea but it’s not going to shift the party left to any major degree, just be a temporary obstacle that slows down the slide right. We’re not going to see legislation pitching left suddenly. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:58 - Mar 29 with 809 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:52 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
The ERG have power because they’re heavily connected to the Tory base and especially the populism that has kept the Tories (incredibly) in power.
Labour isn’t interested in their base as it goes against their own purpose of being an establishment party. The left will be expected to be quiet and if not they’ll be whipped and/or expelled. Our equally establishment-serving press can then be expected to applaud this.
How that translates into votes on specific matters where the dozen or so left-wing MPs can have an impact? No idea but it’s not going to shift the party left to any major degree, just be a temporary obstacle that slows down the slide right. We’re not going to see legislation pitching left suddenly. |
so of the 300+ labour mps, only 12 will fit your version of "left wing"?! no wonder people think your political compass is skewed!
who are the six or so currently in parliament who pass the koont test? |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 15:04 - Mar 29 with 803 views | itfcjoe |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:52 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
The ERG have power because they’re heavily connected to the Tory base and especially the populism that has kept the Tories (incredibly) in power.
Labour isn’t interested in their base as it goes against their own purpose of being an establishment party. The left will be expected to be quiet and if not they’ll be whipped and/or expelled. Our equally establishment-serving press can then be expected to applaud this.
How that translates into votes on specific matters where the dozen or so left-wing MPs can have an impact? No idea but it’s not going to shift the party left to any major degree, just be a temporary obstacle that slows down the slide right. We’re not going to see legislation pitching left suddenly. |
If Labour can't get legislation through without appeasing a block of its MPs then those MPs have power - if they have a majority it will eb small and they won't be able to just expel people who don't agree as they will need to cling on to their majority | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 15:18 - Mar 29 with 770 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:58 - Mar 29 by positivity |
so of the 300+ labour mps, only 12 will fit your version of "left wing"?! no wonder people think your political compass is skewed!
who are the six or so currently in parliament who pass the koont test? |
You think Starmer’s Labour Party is centre-left ... so with all due respect, I’ll trust my “left-wing test” before yours.
The Labour PLP has very few actual left-wingers nowadays. It’s a party stocked with centre-right Blairites and liberals in the pure sense of the word. So a dozen is a reasonable estimate looking at whatever remains of the Socialist Campaign Group by the next election. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 15:19 - Mar 29 with 759 views | jaykay |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:50 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
He still came second to May. If Ipswich get 96 points, the usual required amount for top two in League one, but Wednesday and Plymouth get 98 then we are still in 3rd place.
Corbyn came second to May in a two horse race. May increased her vote share compared to Cameron in 2015.
Oh Jeremy by GlasgowBlue 27 Mar 2023 16:22Yep. In 2017 T May got 2.5 million votes than Cameron did in 2015. Cameron got a majority and May lost it.
You’d have to be stark raving bonkers to convince somebody that May’s result was better than Cameron’s.
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| Oh Jeremy on 15:23 - Mar 29 with 748 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 15:04 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
If Labour can't get legislation through without appeasing a block of its MPs then those MPs have power - if they have a majority it will eb small and they won't be able to just expel people who don't agree as they will need to cling on to their majority |
These people sabotaged successive elections to “stop the left”. The last thing they’ll do is let them have any say in government.
There might be a specific scenario the remaining left-wing MPs have leverage but they won’t win anything meaningful. As empty and self-interested as the Labour right is, they seem driven by anti-left zeal more than anything else. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 15:25 - Mar 29 with 745 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 15:18 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
You think Starmer’s Labour Party is centre-left ... so with all due respect, I’ll trust my “left-wing test” before yours.
The Labour PLP has very few actual left-wingers nowadays. It’s a party stocked with centre-right Blairites and liberals in the pure sense of the word. So a dozen is a reasonable estimate looking at whatever remains of the Socialist Campaign Group by the next election. |
ok, name the 27 members of the socialist campaign group who don't meet your left wing test? i think they can all be termed left-wing, but happy to be educated by your infallible knowledge!
if labour do form a government, this number will grow, maybe not double in the same way as the total mp count should... plenty of other labour mps outside the group would be seen as being on the left by most unbiased bystanders | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 16:06 - Mar 29 with 678 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Oh Jeremy on 13:40 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
And Starmer’s purge of the left in Leicester gathers more pace 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I am not sure what point you are making as the comment I replied to was you saying this....
"Is the “left” being purged or just the anti semites, Putin and Iranian state apologists?"
So are the Tories now welcoming anti semites or Iranian state apologists from Leicester? |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 16:41 - Mar 29 with 625 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 15:25 - Mar 29 by positivity |
ok, name the 27 members of the socialist campaign group who don't meet your left wing test? i think they can all be termed left-wing, but happy to be educated by your infallible knowledge!
if labour do form a government, this number will grow, maybe not double in the same way as the total mp count should... plenty of other labour mps outside the group would be seen as being on the left by most unbiased bystanders |
So twenty or so not a dozen or so. Happy to go with that as it still means the same thing in reality.
The Socialist Campaign Group doubled with the intake from 2017 and 2019. Yet none have any shadow cabinet or indeed junior front bench responsibilities from what I can see. They’ve been marginalised.
You really think that number will go up in 2024 or whenever? Based on the candidate selection imposed by the ruling right-wing faction?
This is what happens to actual left wingers in the Labour Party – a group of MPs are put in quarantine and take no part of the direction of the party or indeed the country. And they’ll be monstered if they don’t toe the line and accept that, let’s be honest.
That’s not a sign of a broad church party nor indeed a broad enough range of views in our democracy. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 16:52 - Mar 29 with 592 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 16:41 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
So twenty or so not a dozen or so. Happy to go with that as it still means the same thing in reality.
The Socialist Campaign Group doubled with the intake from 2017 and 2019. Yet none have any shadow cabinet or indeed junior front bench responsibilities from what I can see. They’ve been marginalised.
You really think that number will go up in 2024 or whenever? Based on the candidate selection imposed by the ruling right-wing faction?
This is what happens to actual left wingers in the Labour Party – a group of MPs are put in quarantine and take no part of the direction of the party or indeed the country. And they’ll be monstered if they don’t toe the line and accept that, let’s be honest.
That’s not a sign of a broad church party nor indeed a broad enough range of views in our democracy. |
20 is the same as a dozen?! are you kwasi kwarteng, it's almost double?
so who are the remaining 13 that are not on the left?
if the number of mps doubles i expect the number of this group to increase, maybe not double as they may not want to be associated with some former members of the group.
are you seriously viewing the other 165 current labour mps as being right wing? you're an oddity if so! [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 16:53]
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| Oh Jeremy on 17:05 - Mar 29 with 576 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 16:52 - Mar 29 by positivity |
20 is the same as a dozen?! are you kwasi kwarteng, it's almost double?
so who are the remaining 13 that are not on the left?
if the number of mps doubles i expect the number of this group to increase, maybe not double as they may not want to be associated with some former members of the group.
are you seriously viewing the other 165 current labour mps as being right wing? you're an oddity if so! [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 16:53]
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You’re boring me now. You have your own definition of the “left” in UK parliamentary terms but clearly not in terms of a commitment to left-wing policies.
No, most of Labour is pretty centrist but the Labour right that actually control the party are certainly right-wingers. Either way, I don’t see a challenge to the underlying neoliberal settlement but, as with Blair and New Labour, rather cementing it and effectively blocking any alternative. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 17:19 - Mar 29 with 545 views | positivity |
| Oh Jeremy on 17:05 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
You’re boring me now. You have your own definition of the “left” in UK parliamentary terms but clearly not in terms of a commitment to left-wing policies.
No, most of Labour is pretty centrist but the Labour right that actually control the party are certainly right-wingers. Either way, I don’t see a challenge to the underlying neoliberal settlement but, as with Blair and New Labour, rather cementing it and effectively blocking any alternative. |
you haven't answered which 13 of the 33 scg members aren't left-wing?
you think that 300-odd centrist/centre-left/left mps will be controlled by a minority of "right-wingers"(who aren't right-wing by any common definition of the term!)?
progress on climate change and funding for health is desperately needed now and labour will deliver that, the alternative will never do that.
the country can't wait another generation for the "left" to finish bickering about a yesterday's man instead of engaging with actually winning power and making change. | |
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