| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back 15:46 - Jun 9 with 6080 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Obviously you agreed with them in their anti-racing approach.
They’ve since expanded that view that they don’t believe the relationship between humans and animals is correct. They’ve stated that animals should not be pets and that their ideal is a world where cats and dogs are not kept alongside humans as possessions.
They’ve also stated that animals with jobs is not a natural thing to them and that eventually would be something they’d be keen to change. When asked if this includes police sniffer dogs, rats who are trained to sniff out bombs overseas and even guide dogs, they agreed that this is not something they support.
This is not a horse racing thread before people wonder if this is going to be old ground. I just purely wondered if those in support of their beliefs a fortnight ago also agree with this view. Thanks in advance. |  |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 00:31 - Jun 10 with 1941 views | Ryorry |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 23:33 - Jun 9 by positivity |
maybe she hasn't found the right art yet, try her with some andy warhowl or mark woofko... |
You guys haven't yet twigged that dogs spell 'art' with an 'f' in front? |  |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 01:13 - Jun 10 with 1925 views | J2BLUE |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 22:40 - Jun 9 by positivity |
in whose judgement? it's a slippery slope if you start devaluing human life and devaluing intelligence.
who is making the judgement that the world would be better off without humans? on what basis? |
It would be like removing Man City from the Premier League.
The other 19 teams would have a more level playing field but you would lose the likes of De Bruyne and Haaland which you could say represent art, music, literature etc. To a neutral observer they would likely consider the product to be devalued. |  |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 08:04 - Jun 10 with 1847 views | nodge_blue |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 16:21 - Jun 9 by noggin |
I just think the whole world would be better off without humans. |
But who’s going to score for us at Carrow Road in that case? |  |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 09:13 - Jun 10 with 1814 views | ronnyd |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 23:33 - Jun 9 by positivity |
maybe she hasn't found the right art yet, try her with some andy warhowl or mark woofko... |
Or even Salvador Dalmation |  | | |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 09:17 - Jun 10 with 1811 views | Mullet |
I don't agree with their views, but I do with their right to protest.
The way they were treated over the Derby was a worrying precedent and totally against British values.
Horse racing being a vile past time that is solely a vehicle for a rich to exploit animals, and punters for their own ends, makes it a worthy target though. The sooner it completely reformed, or done away with, the better. |  |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 09:28 - Jun 10 with 1770 views | Horsham |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 08:04 - Jun 10 by nodge_blue |
But who’s going to score for us at Carrow Road in that case? |
John-Jules. Feline DNA |  | | |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 10:19 - Jun 10 with 1748 views | positivity |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 00:31 - Jun 10 by Ryorry |
You guys haven't yet twigged that dogs spell 'art' with an 'f' in front? |
this is why i don't sign up for noggin's human-free utopia! | |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 13:57 - Jun 10 with 1689 views | Ryorry |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 09:13 - Jun 10 by ronnyd |
Or even Salvador Dalmation |
Could also try Paws Cezanne, Edvard MunchEverything and Jackson DogsPollocks. | |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 14:23 - Jun 10 with 1663 views | ronnyd |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 13:57 - Jun 10 by Ryorry |
Could also try Paws Cezanne, Edvard MunchEverything and Jackson DogsPollocks. |
I had to have a long paws after i'd read that.  | | | |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 15:29 - Jun 10 with 1634 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 22:59 - Jun 9 by Suffolktractor |
To be fair my dog loves football. She’ not too bothered about art though! |
My dog loves a bit of Bach. |  |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 16:29 - Jun 10 with 1600 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 23:54 - Jun 10 with 1468 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Well played Rommers, in terms of disgracing/ridiculing them!
Ideally we wouldn't use any animal at all. So in that respect they're technically right. But as Ryorry and others have said, many of those relationships are symbiotic.
When I (and I suspect most) supported their beliefs a fortnight ago, it was specifically over forcing horses to run round a track and jump over fences. | |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 07:52 - Jun 11 with 1379 views | DJR |
I first came across this issue about thirty years ago when I went out with a woman who was into hunt sabbing and the like.
There is a clear overlap between animal rights and veganism but many such people do not believe that owning pets is an issue, although I realised at the time that some people did take that view, and there was some debate about this.
The woman worked for PETA UK (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) which does not object to pet ownership but whose philosophy is the following.
ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS TO:
EXPERIMENT ON
EAT
WEAR
USE FOR ENTERTAINMENT
ABUSE IN ANY WAY
https://www.peta.org.uk/issues/
She herself owned a cat. [Post edited 11 Jun 2023 12:28]
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 08:01 - Jun 11 with 1369 views | the_toff |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 11:34 - Jun 11 with 1286 views | Ryorry |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 14:23 - Jun 10 by ronnyd |
I had to have a long paws after i'd read that. |
It was a walkies in the park for my brain fox ... | |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 11:42 - Jun 11 with 1282 views | Ryorry |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 09:17 - Jun 10 by Mullet |
I don't agree with their views, but I do with their right to protest.
The way they were treated over the Derby was a worrying precedent and totally against British values.
Horse racing being a vile past time that is solely a vehicle for a rich to exploit animals, and punters for their own ends, makes it a worthy target though. The sooner it completely reformed, or done away with, the better. |
Ludicrous to describe horse racing as being solely a vehicle for a rich, unless you count an income of £10-15K pa from 1995-2019 as being "rich".
Do some research - there are literally hundreds of UK racing clubs & syndicates which people can join for as little as £18.99 monthly, requiring no capital outlay.
https://www.understartersorders.net/post/the-rise-of-racing-syndicates-with-grah | |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 12:02 - Jun 11 with 1271 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 23:54 - Jun 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well played Rommers, in terms of disgracing/ridiculing them!
Ideally we wouldn't use any animal at all. So in that respect they're technically right. But as Ryorry and others have said, many of those relationships are symbiotic.
When I (and I suspect most) supported their beliefs a fortnight ago, it was specifically over forcing horses to run round a track and jump over fences. |
‘When I (and I suspect most) supported their beliefs a fortnight ago, it was specifically over forcing horses to run round a track and jump over fences.’
Of course I do know that. But AR have said you’re either with us or against us. To then there’s no grey area. So if you’re against horse racing, against animals having jobs, against pets being kept by humans BUT believe that guide dogs are a necessary tool, you’re just as much the enemy to their extremist views as I am in their eyes. | |
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| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 12:38 - Jun 11 with 1238 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Question for those in support of Animal Rising a couple weeks back on 12:02 - Jun 11 by The_Romford_Blue |
‘When I (and I suspect most) supported their beliefs a fortnight ago, it was specifically over forcing horses to run round a track and jump over fences.’
Of course I do know that. But AR have said you’re either with us or against us. To then there’s no grey area. So if you’re against horse racing, against animals having jobs, against pets being kept by humans BUT believe that guide dogs are a necessary tool, you’re just as much the enemy to their extremist views as I am in their eyes. |
When it comes to people, or organisations, even political parties, you largely agree with, you don't have to agree with every single thing. I wonder if all those in AR agree with every part of their mission statement.
I also suspect, as someone alluded to in the thread, they have to take the extreme stance, else they leave themselves open to whatabouterry. Someone, like yourself perhaps, could say, "Oh but you're fine with the exploitation of dogs then?!" So they have to say they're against all exploitation of all animals (which is correct, really, in an ideal world). But then this leaves them open to ridicule as you've done in your OP.
So either way, with someone like yourself, they can't win.
One thing their protest, and indeed extreme mission statement, does is get people talking about the issues. So it's done its job in that respect. | |
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