| Can i just confirm.. 17:19 - Aug 1 with 6574 views | FromReuserWithLove |
I just want to confirm with all of you on here that Liam Gibbs is a filthy little snake of the highest order? Hope Morsy years into the little sh1t.
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| Can i just confirm.. on 10:05 - Aug 2 with 847 views | jayessess |
| Can i just confirm.. on 09:28 - Aug 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Football's a business. There's never a thought spared for all those scholars we release, so I don't see why some people have to go into a meltdown when someone is let go who in hindsight we should have kept. And it doesn't matter where he went - it's his job. He's going to want to play for the club that (a) gives him a chance to play at as high a level as possible and (b) offers him the best deal.
Or are we going to start burning effigies of Clive Woods, Trevor Putney and Alan Lee next? |
Taking the emotion out of it, you can absolutely rationalise Gibbs moving to them.
But it's football, it's not actually a requirement to take the emotion out of things or be totally rational about everything. It's OK to hate Norwich, hate their players, bear a grudge against a player that leaves, provided it all remains within bounds. A burning hatred of Liam Gibbs isn't going to dog my every waking hour, nor invade my dreams, but I would still absolutely love to see Sam Morsy school him in the Derby. |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 10:08 - Aug 2 with 834 views | itfcsuth |
From a business perspective - it was down to the numbers offered to him I believe - and you can't fault anyone for finding a better deal elsewhere.
The fact he ended up at Norwich after - well yes that automatically makes him scum, but maybe not as aggressive as you have been on it.
Nevertheless, I hope he is booed continuously when he plays at PR, and I am sure somebody (likely Morsy) will leave a little tackle on him at some point. |  | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 11:57 - Aug 2 with 744 views | Westcountryblue |
| Can i just confirm.. on 09:16 - Aug 2 by itfcjoe |
It's not 'free coaching', it's an investment from the club in the commodity that are kids footballers in the hope of a return in regards to making a return with regards to first team appearances or a fee.
Gibbs didn't have a path to first team, he played one game, having not trained with the first team that week, and then went back to the 21s afterwards.
He was offered a contract, not up to the value of his peers in December, rejected it, and then didn't hear from the club until the day before his contract was up.
It was lost amongst all the carnage going on, but he didn't move during it's darkest hour, he moved post takeover when the club were chucking money around left, right and centre |
Regardless of whether youth coaching is truly free, you have to factor in the is time, effort and sacrifices of Liam Gibb's coaches, from an 8 year old all the way to making his first team debut at just 17 in the Papa John's and League One debut at 18.
Most players aren't even offered a contract and slip out of the professional game at that age, so i think in that regard it's pretty poor form from Liam and it doesn't show a great deal of loyalty to the club who developed him. While the timing of the contract offer wasn't great, you can understand it from the clubs view with it being the early days and transition post takeover.
It goes both ways though...Bennett, Lavery, C Brown, Knight (debatable) and Simpson are a few who thought the grass was greener and failed. Fair play i guess to Gibbs for nailing down a 5 year deal that will set him up for life. Although, i'm sure the same deal would have been forthcoming at town.
Personally, i like the fact that we are treating our younger players a little more harshly and making pathway harder, as before average players just waltzed into our first team, making the progression and journey of finally becoming an Ipswich Town first team player too easy ! [Post edited 2 Aug 2023 11:58]
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| Can i just confirm.. on 12:02 - Aug 2 with 727 views | Westcountryblue |
| Can i just confirm.. on 09:45 - Aug 2 by HARRY10 |
Basically it was leaving a CAT 2 club for a CAT 1 club. We have not really developed many players, even for L1 standard. Our last keeper was Price/Supple 18 years ago. How many of this years squad will have come through our academy ? |
I'd say that Bishop, Dozzell, Downes, Nydam, Morris and perhaps Emmanuel had a good chance of being Championship players. Most were incredibly poorly managed once they made the transition through to the first team though. Too much, too soon on developing bodies and minds !
The one player who we have managed well is Luke Woolfenden, who served his time in the U21's and did his education out in the conference and League 2. At 24, we are now seeing the best of him.
Town recklessly through 17 year olds into the first team and ruined careers in doing so. | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:03 - Aug 2 with 726 views | wkj |
| Can i just confirm.. on 17:44 - Aug 1 by FromReuserWithLove |
He joined Norwich! How in the world of football is this acceptable? |
As a player your loyalty is towards your own future, surely? ITFC was in a mess and Norwich were looking solid. From a fan POV it's crazy but from a footballer POV it's like working at Tesco but shopping at ASDA |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 12:07 - Aug 2 with 720 views | ArnieM |
I think it’s more a reflection on the level of narwich’s current squad that he’s included on a regular basis. |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 12:15 - Aug 2 with 703 views | TalkingBlues |
| Can i just confirm.. on 11:57 - Aug 2 by Westcountryblue |
Regardless of whether youth coaching is truly free, you have to factor in the is time, effort and sacrifices of Liam Gibb's coaches, from an 8 year old all the way to making his first team debut at just 17 in the Papa John's and League One debut at 18.
Most players aren't even offered a contract and slip out of the professional game at that age, so i think in that regard it's pretty poor form from Liam and it doesn't show a great deal of loyalty to the club who developed him. While the timing of the contract offer wasn't great, you can understand it from the clubs view with it being the early days and transition post takeover.
It goes both ways though...Bennett, Lavery, C Brown, Knight (debatable) and Simpson are a few who thought the grass was greener and failed. Fair play i guess to Gibbs for nailing down a 5 year deal that will set him up for life. Although, i'm sure the same deal would have been forthcoming at town.
Personally, i like the fact that we are treating our younger players a little more harshly and making pathway harder, as before average players just waltzed into our first team, making the progression and journey of finally becoming an Ipswich Town first team player too easy ! [Post edited 2 Aug 2023 11:58]
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The academy under ME suffered a massive decline, along with the rest of the club. I jumped ship with my boy to Naarwich academy (asked to go there) and everything about the set up was light years ahead of ITFC, difficult to hear, but true.
Our academy is undergoing a lot of change currently and will no doubt become as strong as it’s ever been under McK, the sad truth is that we basically lost out on a generation of prospects under ME. |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 12:16 - Aug 2 with 703 views | itfcjoe |
| Can i just confirm.. on 11:57 - Aug 2 by Westcountryblue |
Regardless of whether youth coaching is truly free, you have to factor in the is time, effort and sacrifices of Liam Gibb's coaches, from an 8 year old all the way to making his first team debut at just 17 in the Papa John's and League One debut at 18.
Most players aren't even offered a contract and slip out of the professional game at that age, so i think in that regard it's pretty poor form from Liam and it doesn't show a great deal of loyalty to the club who developed him. While the timing of the contract offer wasn't great, you can understand it from the clubs view with it being the early days and transition post takeover.
It goes both ways though...Bennett, Lavery, C Brown, Knight (debatable) and Simpson are a few who thought the grass was greener and failed. Fair play i guess to Gibbs for nailing down a 5 year deal that will set him up for life. Although, i'm sure the same deal would have been forthcoming at town.
Personally, i like the fact that we are treating our younger players a little more harshly and making pathway harder, as before average players just waltzed into our first team, making the progression and journey of finally becoming an Ipswich Town first team player too easy ! [Post edited 2 Aug 2023 11:58]
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But they don't do this coaching as a charity, you can see that by the costs of the PDC and the like, it's not altrusistic - if Gibbs wasn't good enough at any time they'd have got shot of him without a seconds thought. It's professional football even at that age.
Why should he show loyalty? He'll have seen his friends, and am pretty sure even at least one of his brothers, just replaced by others, just cut and forgotten about. He'll have seen people who have travelled an hour back and forth 2-3 times a week from 7 years old just told they aren't being kept on and their whole life being turned upside down.
The club were happy to cash in on him, they were happy to take the £500k fee - it would have been incredibly easy to get him to agree to a deal but they didn't show any willing or loyalty to him.
It's a business, the only people that show loyalty are the fans. |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 12:25 - Aug 2 with 690 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:16 - Aug 2 by itfcjoe |
But they don't do this coaching as a charity, you can see that by the costs of the PDC and the like, it's not altrusistic - if Gibbs wasn't good enough at any time they'd have got shot of him without a seconds thought. It's professional football even at that age.
Why should he show loyalty? He'll have seen his friends, and am pretty sure even at least one of his brothers, just replaced by others, just cut and forgotten about. He'll have seen people who have travelled an hour back and forth 2-3 times a week from 7 years old just told they aren't being kept on and their whole life being turned upside down.
The club were happy to cash in on him, they were happy to take the £500k fee - it would have been incredibly easy to get him to agree to a deal but they didn't show any willing or loyalty to him.
It's a business, the only people that show loyalty are the fans. |
Understand 100% why he moved. He made his bed in choosing to go to Norwich. In football terms that makes him enemy number one.
He could have gone anywhere but chose them up the road and if you're a proper fan that's simply unacceptable regardless if it's petty or not - that's what football rivalry is all about. If you're desperate to beat Norwich in the league why would you be sympathetic to Gibbs?
Listened to a Podcast where Julian Dicks said he turned down a move to Spurs as he had football morals. | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:33 - Aug 2 with 682 views | itfc_bucks |
| Can i just confirm.. on 11:57 - Aug 2 by Westcountryblue |
Regardless of whether youth coaching is truly free, you have to factor in the is time, effort and sacrifices of Liam Gibb's coaches, from an 8 year old all the way to making his first team debut at just 17 in the Papa John's and League One debut at 18.
Most players aren't even offered a contract and slip out of the professional game at that age, so i think in that regard it's pretty poor form from Liam and it doesn't show a great deal of loyalty to the club who developed him. While the timing of the contract offer wasn't great, you can understand it from the clubs view with it being the early days and transition post takeover.
It goes both ways though...Bennett, Lavery, C Brown, Knight (debatable) and Simpson are a few who thought the grass was greener and failed. Fair play i guess to Gibbs for nailing down a 5 year deal that will set him up for life. Although, i'm sure the same deal would have been forthcoming at town.
Personally, i like the fact that we are treating our younger players a little more harshly and making pathway harder, as before average players just waltzed into our first team, making the progression and journey of finally becoming an Ipswich Town first team player too easy ! [Post edited 2 Aug 2023 11:58]
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Not, for one single moment, do I believe that the contract he's signed will set him up "for life" | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:36 - Aug 2 with 673 views | Westcountryblue |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:25 - Aug 2 by FromReuserWithLove |
Understand 100% why he moved. He made his bed in choosing to go to Norwich. In football terms that makes him enemy number one.
He could have gone anywhere but chose them up the road and if you're a proper fan that's simply unacceptable regardless if it's petty or not - that's what football rivalry is all about. If you're desperate to beat Norwich in the league why would you be sympathetic to Gibbs?
Listened to a Podcast where Julian Dicks said he turned down a move to Spurs as he had football morals. |
Think Shefki did the same.
A few other players of that era (when we failed to get to the Prem) also did the same. Benty mentioned it a while back | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:38 - Aug 2 with 661 views | Westcountryblue |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:33 - Aug 2 by itfc_bucks |
Not, for one single moment, do I believe that the contract he's signed will set him up "for life" |
Probably not for life, but 5 years even on a low-end Championship salary should give the average investor a great chance of becoming financially independent. | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:45 - Aug 2 with 650 views | Vic |
| Can i just confirm.. on 07:50 - Aug 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
You have just confirmed everything that is bad about blindly following franchise football |
Trumpy, you frequently refer to us as a 'franchise' club. Can you put a definition on that because I'm not sure I know what you actually mean apart from being insulting towards the club! What is a franchise club? |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 12:51 - Aug 2 with 641 views | Vic |
| Can i just confirm.. on 10:08 - Aug 2 by itfcsuth |
From a business perspective - it was down to the numbers offered to him I believe - and you can't fault anyone for finding a better deal elsewhere.
The fact he ended up at Norwich after - well yes that automatically makes him scum, but maybe not as aggressive as you have been on it.
Nevertheless, I hope he is booed continuously when he plays at PR, and I am sure somebody (likely Morsy) will leave a little tackle on him at some point. |
I personally doubt he will. They didn't play or even train together did they so there will be no ill will or grudge between them.
I'm a bit concerned that most of our players will really get the local rivalry until after we've played each other at least once. Chapper's said the right thing on LAP when asked but didn't really sound very convincing. | |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 13:06 - Aug 2 with 622 views | itfcjoe |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:25 - Aug 2 by FromReuserWithLove |
Understand 100% why he moved. He made his bed in choosing to go to Norwich. In football terms that makes him enemy number one.
He could have gone anywhere but chose them up the road and if you're a proper fan that's simply unacceptable regardless if it's petty or not - that's what football rivalry is all about. If you're desperate to beat Norwich in the league why would you be sympathetic to Gibbs?
Listened to a Podcast where Julian Dicks said he turned down a move to Spurs as he had football morals. |
Ipswich only agreed a fee with one club though, and that was Norwich.
I'd much rather he didn't go there, but realsitically it's a well trodden road at youth level because of geography. It's why Osman Foyo has signed for us from them, and plenty more will follow now we have all their staff here now. | |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 13:11 - Aug 2 with 612 views | NthQldITFC |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:45 - Aug 2 by Vic |
Trumpy, you frequently refer to us as a 'franchise' club. Can you put a definition on that because I'm not sure I know what you actually mean apart from being insulting towards the club! What is a franchise club? |
Good luck. |  |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 13:15 - Aug 2 with 597 views | EastAnglianBoy |
| Can i just confirm.. on 11:57 - Aug 2 by Westcountryblue |
Regardless of whether youth coaching is truly free, you have to factor in the is time, effort and sacrifices of Liam Gibb's coaches, from an 8 year old all the way to making his first team debut at just 17 in the Papa John's and League One debut at 18.
Most players aren't even offered a contract and slip out of the professional game at that age, so i think in that regard it's pretty poor form from Liam and it doesn't show a great deal of loyalty to the club who developed him. While the timing of the contract offer wasn't great, you can understand it from the clubs view with it being the early days and transition post takeover.
It goes both ways though...Bennett, Lavery, C Brown, Knight (debatable) and Simpson are a few who thought the grass was greener and failed. Fair play i guess to Gibbs for nailing down a 5 year deal that will set him up for life. Although, i'm sure the same deal would have been forthcoming at town.
Personally, i like the fact that we are treating our younger players a little more harshly and making pathway harder, as before average players just waltzed into our first team, making the progression and journey of finally becoming an Ipswich Town first team player too easy ! [Post edited 2 Aug 2023 11:58]
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But thats exactly the point.
The same deal WASNT forthcoming at Town was it? | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 13:17 - Aug 2 with 592 views | NthQldITFC |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:07 - Aug 2 by ArnieM |
I think it’s more a reflection on the level of narwich’s current squad that he’s included on a regular basis. |
I watched a few of their games last season, and I can confirm that they were absolute dogs hit and that Gibbs certainly didn't stand out. Maybe I only saw his bad games, but he wouldn't get on our bench imho. Morsy, Luongo, Taylor and Ball would all be ahead of him, probably Humphreys too as a different kind of player. Perhaps he'll shine again when he moves on after relegation? | |
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| Can i just confirm.. on 13:42 - Aug 2 with 572 views | EastAnglianBoy |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:07 - Aug 2 by ArnieM |
I think it’s more a reflection on the level of narwich’s current squad that he’s included on a regular basis. |
You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you dont think he'd be in and amongst our midfield too i would respectfully suggest..
Fair enough he's not on Morsy's level - and maybe even Mass' or even Jack Taylors (got a Posh fan mate who raves about Taylor btw!) but Evans/Humphreys dont strike me as being miles ahead of him? | | | |
| Can i just confirm.. on 14:08 - Aug 2 with 532 views | rodney76 |
| Can i just confirm.. on 12:07 - Aug 2 by ArnieM |
I think it’s more a reflection on the level of narwich’s current squad that he’s included on a regular basis. |
Didn't Gibbs get a chance in their first team when they had a massive injury crisis?
He subsequently grabbed his chance and is now in the first team squad.
He is a loss to us and their gain. Should he eventually be sold for big bucks then I hope that we have add-ons ... Oh, wait a minute. | | | |
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