| The biggest gang in London.... 08:03 - Sep 25 with 12431 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...really don't like it when one of their own is threatened. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:43 - Sep 25 with 1702 views | MaySixth |
London is amazingly scary.
Someone is murdered every 10 seconds, nobody speaks to each other and all they do is drugs and crime.
I would never go there. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:50 - Sep 25 with 1680 views | WeWereZombies |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 10:19 - Sep 25 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
Taser itself has never been the cause of death in the UK. It has been a secondary factor with things such as falls leading to head injuries etc.
In The Atkinson case, Taser did not work and was purely and simply officers resorting to brutal (and clearly lethal) force with batons and stamping etc.
had taser have been successful then he would most likely still be with us. Taser was not the cause in that scenario. Officers actions were at fault |
I guess this reinforces my point (and as someone who suffered a, relatively minor, head injury myself I realise the impact (sic) those can have) because when an incident becomes potentially lethal it is best to exercise maximum caution, however much inconvenience this causes to everyone in the vicinity.
I witnessed the approach to police entering the house of a suspected terrorist who was threatening to kill himself some years ago and regarded it as over the top at the time. A number of police and fire service vehicles parked around the corner, half a dozen body armoured police with riot shields stood ready behind the garage...and a gaggle of the estate kids on their bikes in full view taking photos on their phones. But better that, or a total exclusion zone, than fatalities (especially police fatalities) and the accused brought in alive to be thoroughly examined for all evidence than the forever closed book of a dead man. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:52 - Sep 25 with 1671 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:43 - Sep 25 by MaySixth |
London is amazingly scary.
Someone is murdered every 10 seconds, nobody speaks to each other and all they do is drugs and crime.
I would never go there. |
Christ. Where to start with this nonsense? |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:55 - Sep 25 with 1666 views | WeWereZombies |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:52 - Sep 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Christ. Where to start with this nonsense? |
I don't think MaySixto was being entirely serious. And his posts always strike me as being quite Londoner... | |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 11:57 - Sep 25 with 1659 views | Bloots |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 11:43 - Sep 25 by MaySixth |
London is amazingly scary.
Someone is murdered every 10 seconds, nobody speaks to each other and all they do is drugs and crime.
I would never go there. |
….you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated.
Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway. |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 12:00 - Sep 25 with 1646 views | Steve_M |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 11:57 - Sep 25 by Bloots |
….you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated.
Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway. |
You missed the Hamilton Hall from that list. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 12:03 - Sep 25 with 1641 views | BlueNomad |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 10:14 - Sep 25 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I knew it wouldn’t be long before this board got stuck into this story. Though when a police sergeant lost his life saving a member of the public from an active train line not a peep on here.
As for this tragic loss of life, it is still unclear as to the full circumstances as none of us were there, however from what I understand a vehicle linked with a number of violent crimes and intel suggested had legitimate access to firearms was spotted and an armed authority was given (by a senior) when officers located the vehicle and when on foot, ordered it to stop however it did not and drove at the police car (and officers)
I would imagine that those handing in their tickets are doing so based on the account above (obviously I do not know how truly accurate but was eye witness accounts). The officer will likely to feel justified under section 3 criminal law act based on the information and intelligence available and in a split second used force to stop the threat to them and other members of the public. I often ask what would everyday members of the public expect of highly trained and resourced officers in those specific circumstances?
Obviously more will come out, but very little has been written about the use of the vehicle as a lethal weapon and anyone who suggests it’s not a lethal weapon has never witnessed any road traffic collisions
As for less lethal options.. that is something I know is the focus on armed police training training, however a taser, baton gun or baton itself would have no impact against a windscreen.
Like I said there will be more to come out, after what is a tragic loss of life, but you can understand the concerns from armed officers who have split seconds to decide to take action.. or not to take action both of which could lead to catastrophic outcomes and could face years of uncertainty and scrutiny and dragging their families and loved ones through. |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 12:07 - Sep 25 with 1631 views | MattinLondon |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 11:57 - Sep 25 by Bloots |
….you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated.
Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway. |
Could be worse - could live in the countryside, which is truly dreadful. |  | | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 12:09 - Sep 25 with 1627 views | jayessess |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 10:19 - Sep 25 by Zx1988 |
I disagree.
The CPS won't have taken lightly the decision to charge the officer with murder, and will no doubt be happy that they have sufficient evidence that would allow them to prove to a jury, beyond reasonable doubt, that the officer was acting outside of his authority when the decision was made to kill Kaba.
The number of officers, over the years, who have made split-second decisions to discharge their firearms and have not been subject to criminal proceedings would suggest that there must be a pretty high bar for the CPS to take action, and I would suggest that there must have been a significant departure from due process for the CPS to believe that there is a realistic prospect of a successful prosecution. |
Inquest collects data relating to deaths in custody or otherwise following contact with the police. Since 1990, there have been 1871 deaths in such circumstances and not a single one resulted in a successful prosecution for murder and just one successful prosecution for manslaughter (Dalian Atkinson's killer, 2 years ago).
The idea that the CPS merrily go around charging police officers at the drop of a hat, simply for doing their duty, is such a wild inversion of reality. |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 12:44 - Sep 25 with 1611 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 11:57 - Sep 25 by Bloots |
….you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated.
Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway. |
Aha! |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:34 - Sep 25 with 1542 views | Ryorry |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 12:07 - Sep 25 by MattinLondon |
Could be worse - could live in the countryside, which is truly dreadful. |
Yep, stay away, it’s nothing but bumper-to-bumper awful 4x4s  |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:36 - Sep 25 with 1536 views | MattinLondon |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:34 - Sep 25 by Ryorry |
Yep, stay away, it’s nothing but bumper-to-bumper awful 4x4s |
You forgot about those idiotic trunk monstrosities that are driven by idiots. | | | |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:43 - Sep 25 with 1530 views | eireblue |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:34 - Sep 25 by Ryorry |
Yep, stay away, it’s nothing but bumper-to-bumper awful 4x4s |
Yep, that’s London. |  | | |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:55 - Sep 25 with 1509 views | MaySixth |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:43 - Sep 25 by eireblue |
Yep, that’s London. |
Yes please everyone stay away from London.
It is beautiful when left to Londoners. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:03 - Sep 25 with 1496 views | lowhouseblue |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 10:14 - Sep 25 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I knew it wouldn’t be long before this board got stuck into this story. Though when a police sergeant lost his life saving a member of the public from an active train line not a peep on here.
As for this tragic loss of life, it is still unclear as to the full circumstances as none of us were there, however from what I understand a vehicle linked with a number of violent crimes and intel suggested had legitimate access to firearms was spotted and an armed authority was given (by a senior) when officers located the vehicle and when on foot, ordered it to stop however it did not and drove at the police car (and officers)
I would imagine that those handing in their tickets are doing so based on the account above (obviously I do not know how truly accurate but was eye witness accounts). The officer will likely to feel justified under section 3 criminal law act based on the information and intelligence available and in a split second used force to stop the threat to them and other members of the public. I often ask what would everyday members of the public expect of highly trained and resourced officers in those specific circumstances?
Obviously more will come out, but very little has been written about the use of the vehicle as a lethal weapon and anyone who suggests it’s not a lethal weapon has never witnessed any road traffic collisions
As for less lethal options.. that is something I know is the focus on armed police training training, however a taser, baton gun or baton itself would have no impact against a windscreen.
Like I said there will be more to come out, after what is a tragic loss of life, but you can understand the concerns from armed officers who have split seconds to decide to take action.. or not to take action both of which could lead to catastrophic outcomes and could face years of uncertainty and scrutiny and dragging their families and loved ones through. |
i don't know the full details, but on the basis of what's been published I really struggle to see how a murder charge could be justified. my fear is the cps is passing a hot potato on to a jury in the knowledge that the jury will throw it out. if that's the case i fully understand why the officers have stepped away from armed duties. |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:04 - Sep 25 with 1492 views | DJR |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:43 - Sep 25 by eireblue |
Yep, that’s London. |
Not for nothing are they known as Chelsea tractors. |  | | |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:06 - Sep 25 with 1478 views | blueasfook |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:34 - Sep 25 by Ryorry |
Yep, stay away, it’s nothing but bumper-to-bumper awful 4x4s |
You do need to look out for old ladies speeding in Land Rovers though |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:06 - Sep 25 with 1477 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 10:14 - Sep 25 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I knew it wouldn’t be long before this board got stuck into this story. Though when a police sergeant lost his life saving a member of the public from an active train line not a peep on here.
As for this tragic loss of life, it is still unclear as to the full circumstances as none of us were there, however from what I understand a vehicle linked with a number of violent crimes and intel suggested had legitimate access to firearms was spotted and an armed authority was given (by a senior) when officers located the vehicle and when on foot, ordered it to stop however it did not and drove at the police car (and officers)
I would imagine that those handing in their tickets are doing so based on the account above (obviously I do not know how truly accurate but was eye witness accounts). The officer will likely to feel justified under section 3 criminal law act based on the information and intelligence available and in a split second used force to stop the threat to them and other members of the public. I often ask what would everyday members of the public expect of highly trained and resourced officers in those specific circumstances?
Obviously more will come out, but very little has been written about the use of the vehicle as a lethal weapon and anyone who suggests it’s not a lethal weapon has never witnessed any road traffic collisions
As for less lethal options.. that is something I know is the focus on armed police training training, however a taser, baton gun or baton itself would have no impact against a windscreen.
Like I said there will be more to come out, after what is a tragic loss of life, but you can understand the concerns from armed officers who have split seconds to decide to take action.. or not to take action both of which could lead to catastrophic outcomes and could face years of uncertainty and scrutiny and dragging their families and loved ones through. |
So what you are saying here is that we don't know the details of what happened except that the police rumour mill thinks it does, he's not guilty and it is therefore ok to withdraw armed officers cos they're a bit miffed their mate has been charged? | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:16 - Sep 25 with 1432 views | Steve_M |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 12:09 - Sep 25 by jayessess |
Inquest collects data relating to deaths in custody or otherwise following contact with the police. Since 1990, there have been 1871 deaths in such circumstances and not a single one resulted in a successful prosecution for murder and just one successful prosecution for manslaughter (Dalian Atkinson's killer, 2 years ago).
The idea that the CPS merrily go around charging police officers at the drop of a hat, simply for doing their duty, is such a wild inversion of reality. |
To reinforce that point, Stephen Bush quoted some numbers for people shot by the Metropolitan police:
"It’s worth noting the raw numbers here. According to monitoring by the charity Inquest, since 1990, 33 people have been shot dead by serving officers in the Met Police (compared with 47 across the other forces in England and Wales). In three cases (the shootings of David Ewin, Jean Charles de Menezes and Azelle Rodney) a prosecution was brought. No member of the Met Police force has been convicted as a result."
Without knowing enough about this particular case to comment, it's clear that this isn't a witchhunt against armed police officers who have to make rapid decisions with very negative consequences if they get it wrong.
Paywalled link here: https://www.ft.com/content/2ed75f69-88a7-4ce3-8529-bb6cbf67fb95 | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:19 - Sep 25 with 1422 views | BlueNomad |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:06 - Sep 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So what you are saying here is that we don't know the details of what happened except that the police rumour mill thinks it does, he's not guilty and it is therefore ok to withdraw armed officers cos they're a bit miffed their mate has been charged? |
Have you deliberately missed the point?
Has it not occurred to you that officers want real clarity about what is going on. None of them want to VOLUNTEER for firearms if it significantly increases the risk of them being prosecuted for doing their job. Think what would happen if they all felt the risk was too great.
And please, don't come back with suggestions that the army could take over - they can't. | | | |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:19 - Sep 25 with 1421 views | Ryorry |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:06 - Sep 25 by blueasfook |
You do need to look out for old ladies speeding in Land Rovers though |
Maybe it’s a good job I haven’t had one for 3 years then ;) | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:20 - Sep 25 with 1415 views | Zx1988 |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:16 - Sep 25 by Steve_M |
To reinforce that point, Stephen Bush quoted some numbers for people shot by the Metropolitan police:
"It’s worth noting the raw numbers here. According to monitoring by the charity Inquest, since 1990, 33 people have been shot dead by serving officers in the Met Police (compared with 47 across the other forces in England and Wales). In three cases (the shootings of David Ewin, Jean Charles de Menezes and Azelle Rodney) a prosecution was brought. No member of the Met Police force has been convicted as a result."
Without knowing enough about this particular case to comment, it's clear that this isn't a witchhunt against armed police officers who have to make rapid decisions with very negative consequences if they get it wrong.
Paywalled link here: https://www.ft.com/content/2ed75f69-88a7-4ce3-8529-bb6cbf67fb95 |
Exactly.
80 fatal shootings since 1990, three prosecutions, and zero convictions.
A more cynical person than I might suggest that the treatment of armed police offers is the complete opposite of a witch hunt. [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 14:20]
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:20 - Sep 25 with 1414 views | giant_stow |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:06 - Sep 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So what you are saying here is that we don't know the details of what happened except that the police rumour mill thinks it does, he's not guilty and it is therefore ok to withdraw armed officers cos they're a bit miffed their mate has been charged? |
I really think you have to wait for the case on this one. As you say, the reaction does suggest the rumour mill says he's innocent, but how can any of us know at this point?
If individual Police bods feel they can't do the job, thats their right, but as far as I know, its a 100 officers out of 2500, so there may be a bit of blowing things out of proportion on the numbers front. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:24 - Sep 25 with 1384 views | BlueNomad |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:20 - Sep 25 by Zx1988 |
Exactly.
80 fatal shootings since 1990, three prosecutions, and zero convictions.
A more cynical person than I might suggest that the treatment of armed police offers is the complete opposite of a witch hunt. [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 14:20]
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Or maybe the legal process, including Coroner's Courts on each occasion, has found that police shootings have been legally justified?
Sorry if that isn't edgy enough. | | | |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:24 - Sep 25 with 1376 views | giant_stow |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:19 - Sep 25 by BlueNomad |
Have you deliberately missed the point?
Has it not occurred to you that officers want real clarity about what is going on. None of them want to VOLUNTEER for firearms if it significantly increases the risk of them being prosecuted for doing their job. Think what would happen if they all felt the risk was too great.
And please, don't come back with suggestions that the army could take over - they can't. |
The army taking over would be a massive downgrade in my mind - they don't get the same training the police do surely? ie when to shoot? | |
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