| The biggest gang in London.... 08:03 - Sep 25 with 12429 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...really don't like it when one of their own is threatened. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:29 - Sep 25 with 1991 views | Zx1988 |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:24 - Sep 25 by BlueNomad |
Or maybe the legal process, including Coroner's Courts on each occasion, has found that police shootings have been legally justified?
Sorry if that isn't edgy enough. |
Either way, the Met's armed response officers' collective spitting-out of their dummies appears to be based upon a witch hunt that exists only in their heads. |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:30 - Sep 25 with 1986 views | WeWereZombies |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:36 - Sep 25 by MattinLondon |
You forgot about those idiotic trunk monstrosities that are driven by idiots. |
Howdahs ? |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:31 - Sep 25 with 1983 views | BlueNomad |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:24 - Sep 25 by giant_stow |
The army taking over would be a massive downgrade in my mind - they don't get the same training the police do surely? ie when to shoot? |
An absolute legal and tactical minefield. The law would have to change, as would the training. Having said that, the current Home Secretary has little regard for that - if Daily Mail readers thought it was a good idea I'm sure she'd go for it. [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 14:32]
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:32 - Sep 25 with 1979 views | blueasfook |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:19 - Sep 25 by Ryorry |
Maybe it’s a good job I haven’t had one for 3 years then ;) |
Lengthy ban? |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:34 - Sep 25 with 1961 views | BlueNomad |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:29 - Sep 25 by Zx1988 |
Either way, the Met's armed response officers' collective spitting-out of their dummies appears to be based upon a witch hunt that exists only in their heads. |
"Spitting out their dummies" suggests they are in a strop. Perhaps they have genuine concerns arising from things we aren't aware of?
Stop making assumptions that fit your narrative! | | | |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:40 - Sep 25 with 1933 views | Ryorry |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:32 - Sep 25 by blueasfook |
Lengthy ban? |
Its bottom fell out and I couldn’t afford £5k for a new one. I’m sure you’ll understand such problems. |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:43 - Sep 25 with 1913 views | GeoffSentence |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 13:55 - Sep 25 by MaySixth |
Yes please everyone stay away from London.
It is beautiful when left to Londoners. |
Unlike, say, Great Cornard or Haverhill |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:44 - Sep 25 with 1909 views | Zx1988 |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 14:34 - Sep 25 by BlueNomad |
"Spitting out their dummies" suggests they are in a strop. Perhaps they have genuine concerns arising from things we aren't aware of?
Stop making assumptions that fit your narrative! |
I'll refer you to the findings concerning MO19 (the Met's firearms unit) as outlined in Baroness Casey's report - https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-ca
Pages 190-196 refer.
A few key highlights:
"Resourcing and restructuring challenges in frontline Met policing and Public
Protection stand in stark contrast to what we saw in examining two of the Met’s
specialist units: the Specialist Firearms (MO19) and Parliamentary and Diplomatic
Protection (PaDP) Commands. Well resourced, with elitist attitudes and toxic
cultures of bullying, racism, sexism and ableism, normal rules do not seem to
apply or be applied in MO19. Junior ranking officers and trainers hold
disproportionate power in their relationships with senior officers because of the
importance of their ‘blue card’ firearms status to Met operations."
"There is a 'boys club' that looks after its own in the unit."
"This has led to a widely held view in the Command and in the rest of the Met that
firearms officers ‘need to be allowed’ to bend or break the rules because they are
volunteers who could at any point decide not to carry a firearm or ‘hand in their blue
card’.
We were told of one senior Met officer telling others in their chain of command that it
was alright to “colour outside the lines” – to bend and break rules – because firearms
officers are harder to replace than other officers and need to be cherished."
i.e. those with firearms authorisation rule the roost in the belief that they are special, and that the demand for their skills makes them all but untouchable.
If you read the whole section devoted to MO19, you'll get a pretty clear picture of the psyche of a good chunk of its members. [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 14:45]
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:44 - Sep 25 with 1907 views | blueasfook |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 14:40 - Sep 25 by Ryorry |
Its bottom fell out and I couldn’t afford £5k for a new one. I’m sure you’ll understand such problems. |
First world problems. Walking is good for you anyway. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 16:09 - Sep 25 with 1814 views | DJR |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 12:09 - Sep 25 by jayessess |
Inquest collects data relating to deaths in custody or otherwise following contact with the police. Since 1990, there have been 1871 deaths in such circumstances and not a single one resulted in a successful prosecution for murder and just one successful prosecution for manslaughter (Dalian Atkinson's killer, 2 years ago).
The idea that the CPS merrily go around charging police officers at the drop of a hat, simply for doing their duty, is such a wild inversion of reality. |
Earlier than 1990 and not relating to custody but the 30 year cover up of the Blair Peach killing is particularly shocking but may well go some way to explain why there are so few prosecutions.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/apr/27/blair-peach-killed-police-met-report
This passage is telling, given it was impossible to pin the blame on the individual involved.
The criminal investigation into Peach's death was hampered by SPG officers, who Cass concluded had lied to him to cover up the actions of their colleagues. He "strongly recommended" that three officers should be charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, giving detailed evidence to show how they were engaged in a "deliberate attempt to conceal the presence of the carrier at the scene at that time". None were ever charged. [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 16:12]
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 16:53 - Sep 25 with 1763 views | bluelagos |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 10:14 - Sep 25 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
I knew it wouldn’t be long before this board got stuck into this story. Though when a police sergeant lost his life saving a member of the public from an active train line not a peep on here.
As for this tragic loss of life, it is still unclear as to the full circumstances as none of us were there, however from what I understand a vehicle linked with a number of violent crimes and intel suggested had legitimate access to firearms was spotted and an armed authority was given (by a senior) when officers located the vehicle and when on foot, ordered it to stop however it did not and drove at the police car (and officers)
I would imagine that those handing in their tickets are doing so based on the account above (obviously I do not know how truly accurate but was eye witness accounts). The officer will likely to feel justified under section 3 criminal law act based on the information and intelligence available and in a split second used force to stop the threat to them and other members of the public. I often ask what would everyday members of the public expect of highly trained and resourced officers in those specific circumstances?
Obviously more will come out, but very little has been written about the use of the vehicle as a lethal weapon and anyone who suggests it’s not a lethal weapon has never witnessed any road traffic collisions
As for less lethal options.. that is something I know is the focus on armed police training training, however a taser, baton gun or baton itself would have no impact against a windscreen.
Like I said there will be more to come out, after what is a tragic loss of life, but you can understand the concerns from armed officers who have split seconds to decide to take action.. or not to take action both of which could lead to catastrophic outcomes and could face years of uncertainty and scrutiny and dragging their families and loved ones through. |
You're second paragraph really wants deleting. Commenting on the details of a live case ffs. |  |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:08 - Sep 25 with 1727 views | Zx1988 |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 16:53 - Sep 25 by bluelagos |
You're second paragraph really wants deleting. Commenting on the details of a live case ffs. |
A quick question, as you seem to be the board authority on such things:
How come firearms officers appear to be afforded greater protection than even normal police officers when it comes to prosecutions and the like? Wayne Couzens was immediately named when he was arrested and charged, yet it appears that the officer here is benefiting from the sort of reporting restrictions usually reserved for victims of crime? | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:13 - Sep 25 with 1721 views | lowhouseblue |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 16:53 - Sep 25 by bluelagos |
You're second paragraph really wants deleting. Commenting on the details of a live case ffs. |
that second para is exactly as it has been reported in the press. easy to find online - eg the report in the independent ffs. |  |
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| Go to London, I guarantee… on 17:15 - Sep 25 with 1714 views | Blueschev |
| Go to London, I guarantee… on 11:57 - Sep 25 by Bloots |
….you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated.
Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway. |
Fee Fi Fo Fum, I smell the blood of an ungrateful bunch of Basterds. |  | | |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:18 - Sep 25 with 1697 views | bluelagos |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:08 - Sep 25 by Zx1988 |
A quick question, as you seem to be the board authority on such things:
How come firearms officers appear to be afforded greater protection than even normal police officers when it comes to prosecutions and the like? Wayne Couzens was immediately named when he was arrested and charged, yet it appears that the officer here is benefiting from the sort of reporting restrictions usually reserved for victims of crime? |
Board authority? Behave yerself! Police corruption is an area close to my heart but I know no more than any other informed observer.
No idea why the copper who's been charged with murder hasn't been named yet - but the judge at his first court appearance was clear he wasn't to be named. The report I saw said there would be a hearing in a few days where he would rule either way.
Maybe it's because he still works for the plod, carries a gun and possibly works in a sensitive area? If he does anti-terrorism stuff I guess you wouldn't want your name in the public domain? Where as Couzens was just an ordinary rank and file murderer. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:20 - Sep 25 with 1684 views | bluelagos |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:13 - Sep 25 by lowhouseblue |
that second para is exactly as it has been reported in the press. easy to find online - eg the report in the independent ffs. |
From after the charges? Really? | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:43 - Sep 25 with 1647 views | GeoffSentence |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 16:53 - Sep 25 by bluelagos |
You're second paragraph really wants deleting. Commenting on the details of a live case ffs. |
I don't think so, all that is already in the public domain, there's even a wikipedia page for it. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:48 - Sep 25 with 1624 views | bluelagos |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:43 - Sep 25 by GeoffSentence |
I don't think so, all that is already in the public domain, there's even a wikipedia page for it. |
You guys are wrong. Just because something is in the public domain does not mean it can be repeated now that charges have been made.
Have a look at the Independent report - as of now - and you may notice that those previously reported details are no longer being repeated.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/chris-kaba-shooting-met-police-who-b
You won't find any reporting of the details (as per King of PR) reported from once the charges were brought because the case is now live. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:59 - Sep 25 with 1580 views | noggin |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:08 - Sep 25 by Zx1988 |
A quick question, as you seem to be the board authority on such things:
How come firearms officers appear to be afforded greater protection than even normal police officers when it comes to prosecutions and the like? Wayne Couzens was immediately named when he was arrested and charged, yet it appears that the officer here is benefiting from the sort of reporting restrictions usually reserved for victims of crime? |
Wayne Couzens was a firearms officer, wasn't he? [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 18:03]
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:05 - Sep 25 with 1555 views | MattinLondon |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:59 - Sep 25 by noggin |
Wayne Couzens was a firearms officer, wasn't he? [Post edited 25 Sep 2023 18:03]
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:13 - Sep 25 with 1540 views | Ryorry |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 17:48 - Sep 25 by bluelagos |
You guys are wrong. Just because something is in the public domain does not mean it can be repeated now that charges have been made.
Have a look at the Independent report - as of now - and you may notice that those previously reported details are no longer being repeated.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/chris-kaba-shooting-met-police-who-b
You won't find any reporting of the details (as per King of PR) reported from once the charges were brought because the case is now live. |
I’m obviously not a lawyer, but surely once the info is out there, anyone can read it, esp in this digital age. It’s not as though it’s been redacted. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:18 - Sep 25 with 1524 views | pointofblue |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:05 - Sep 25 by MattinLondon |
But he didn’t kill whilst on duty as a firearms officer. |
Plus there was a charge of rape too; with sexual offences, I think names of suspects are released as a matter of course?
And, as you say, this alleged offence occured in the police officer's line of work, whilst Couzens' actions did not. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:20 - Sep 25 with 1515 views | bluelagos |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:13 - Sep 25 by Ryorry |
I’m obviously not a lawyer, but surely once the info is out there, anyone can read it, esp in this digital age. It’s not as though it’s been redacted. |
Indeed. Not saying the laws are sensible, or right. They are what they are.
But just like the case of the guy charged with murdering Dalian Atkinson - any comment on the specifics here is a no no.
It is frustrating, especially for posters who wish to defend/repeat the claims of the police officers that have been made - but they will be presented and tested in court.
Just got to bite our lips and let the legal bods do their bit. | |
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| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:22 - Sep 25 with 1508 views | bluelagos |
| The biggest gang in London.... on 18:20 - Sep 25 by bluelagos |
Indeed. Not saying the laws are sensible, or right. They are what they are.
But just like the case of the guy charged with murdering Dalian Atkinson - any comment on the specifics here is a no no.
It is frustrating, especially for posters who wish to defend/repeat the claims of the police officers that have been made - but they will be presented and tested in court.
Just got to bite our lips and let the legal bods do their bit. |
It is crystal clear - it really is.
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-following-cps-decision-charge-me | |
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