| Why are America so pro Israel 06:28 - Oct 18 with 14431 views | gtsb1966 |
and the UK too for that matter. Is there a simple answer or is it way too complicated for a thicko like me. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 6:29]
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:06 - Oct 18 with 1730 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 17:57 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
Drop the bad faith posturing. It was and still is a disgusting distortion that plays on people’s fears and the trauma of the Holocaust.
Re: speaking with Hamas, the reality is that more voices like his who don’t condone violence, and want to de-escalate and bring the sides together towards a negotiated political settlement would make everyone safer. Or are Mike Gapes and Blair also existential threats?
Do you ever pause to consider that your brand of “clever politics” is part of the continuing problem rather than a solution? |
There is speaking to Hamas. And there is vomit inducing fawning over them, describing Jew murderers as “friends” and “a force for peace and social justice”.
It’s as sickening as watching Galloway saluting Sadam’s “ courage, strength and indefatigability”
Blair helped bring peace to Northern Ireland. Blair talked to terrorists. Blair negotiated with terrorists. At no stage did he side with terrorists or talk to them with his tounge firmly stuck in Gerry Adam’s arsehole. To have done so would have been an insult to the hundreds of victims of IRA terrorism.
Although I would suggest that Hamas are in a completely different level to the IRA. More akin to negotiating with ISIS. Which I would not do.
Edit. But seeing as you want to continue down the Corbyn route, I see that his last tweet condemning Israel for killing 500 Palestinians in the Gaza rocket attack is still up there with no edit or apology for believe it Hamas the minute they falsely reported it.
I see why you like the bloke so much. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 18:18]
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:13 - Oct 18 with 1697 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:06 - Oct 18 by GlasgowBlue |
There is speaking to Hamas. And there is vomit inducing fawning over them, describing Jew murderers as “friends” and “a force for peace and social justice”.
It’s as sickening as watching Galloway saluting Sadam’s “ courage, strength and indefatigability”
Blair helped bring peace to Northern Ireland. Blair talked to terrorists. Blair negotiated with terrorists. At no stage did he side with terrorists or talk to them with his tounge firmly stuck in Gerry Adam’s arsehole. To have done so would have been an insult to the hundreds of victims of IRA terrorism.
Although I would suggest that Hamas are in a completely different level to the IRA. More akin to negotiating with ISIS. Which I would not do.
Edit. But seeing as you want to continue down the Corbyn route, I see that his last tweet condemning Israel for killing 500 Palestinians in the Gaza rocket attack is still up there with no edit or apology for believe it Hamas the minute they falsely reported it.
I see why you like the bloke so much. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 18:18]
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I’ll take that as a no.
Jesus wept. |  |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:15 - Oct 18 with 1697 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:06 - Oct 18 by GlasgowBlue |
There is speaking to Hamas. And there is vomit inducing fawning over them, describing Jew murderers as “friends” and “a force for peace and social justice”.
It’s as sickening as watching Galloway saluting Sadam’s “ courage, strength and indefatigability”
Blair helped bring peace to Northern Ireland. Blair talked to terrorists. Blair negotiated with terrorists. At no stage did he side with terrorists or talk to them with his tounge firmly stuck in Gerry Adam’s arsehole. To have done so would have been an insult to the hundreds of victims of IRA terrorism.
Although I would suggest that Hamas are in a completely different level to the IRA. More akin to negotiating with ISIS. Which I would not do.
Edit. But seeing as you want to continue down the Corbyn route, I see that his last tweet condemning Israel for killing 500 Palestinians in the Gaza rocket attack is still up there with no edit or apology for believe it Hamas the minute they falsely reported it.
I see why you like the bloke so much. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 18:18]
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just as corbyn wanted russia to rule on the salisbury attack, i'm sure he'll only accept the outcome of an investigation now if it is conducted by hamas. but dk is going to dk. |  |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:20 - Oct 18 with 1664 views | positivity |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:06 - Oct 18 by GlasgowBlue |
There is speaking to Hamas. And there is vomit inducing fawning over them, describing Jew murderers as “friends” and “a force for peace and social justice”.
It’s as sickening as watching Galloway saluting Sadam’s “ courage, strength and indefatigability”
Blair helped bring peace to Northern Ireland. Blair talked to terrorists. Blair negotiated with terrorists. At no stage did he side with terrorists or talk to them with his tounge firmly stuck in Gerry Adam’s arsehole. To have done so would have been an insult to the hundreds of victims of IRA terrorism.
Although I would suggest that Hamas are in a completely different level to the IRA. More akin to negotiating with ISIS. Which I would not do.
Edit. But seeing as you want to continue down the Corbyn route, I see that his last tweet condemning Israel for killing 500 Palestinians in the Gaza rocket attack is still up there with no edit or apology for believe it Hamas the minute they falsely reported it.
I see why you like the bloke so much. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 18:18]
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while i wouldn't agree that corbyn was an existential threat to jews, it's stupid blunders like this which is why no-one sensible takes him seriously anymore and are relieved he's no longer in the labour party.
how difficult is it to apologise or delete a tweet, when you've made an error? silly old fool |  |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:23 - Oct 18 with 1633 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:15 - Oct 18 by lowhouseblue |
just as corbyn wanted russia to rule on the salisbury attack, i'm sure he'll only accept the outcome of an investigation now if it is conducted by hamas. but dk is going to dk. |
Why do you always have to make up my opinions? And can never just respond to my real ones? | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:27 - Oct 18 with 1617 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:20 - Oct 18 by positivity |
while i wouldn't agree that corbyn was an existential threat to jews, it's stupid blunders like this which is why no-one sensible takes him seriously anymore and are relieved he's no longer in the labour party.
how difficult is it to apologise or delete a tweet, when you've made an error? silly old fool |
So you think that the existential threat attack line is wrong?
Well, there’s hope for you yet. | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:28 - Oct 18 with 1620 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:23 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
Why do you always have to make up my opinions? And can never just respond to my real ones? |
eh? corbyn was the he in the "he'll". you're not corbyn are you? | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:31 - Oct 18 with 1601 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:28 - Oct 18 by lowhouseblue |
eh? corbyn was the he in the "he'll". you're not corbyn are you? |
No, it was the “but dk is going to dk” in connection with that.
What do you mean then? | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:38 - Oct 18 with 1559 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:31 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
No, it was the “but dk is going to dk” in connection with that.
What do you mean then? |
ah, i see, you want the dictionary definition. to dk: "to bang on endlessly about how reporting / condemning anti-semitism is the weaponisation of anti-semitism against anti-semites, while praising corbyn as a man of peace. As in the whole last decade on twtd." | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:40 - Oct 18 with 1549 views | positivity |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:27 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
So you think that the existential threat attack line is wrong?
Well, there’s hope for you yet. |
i've always said that corbyn was more of a blundering liability than evil machiavelli. nothing in the last 2 years have changed my view on that!
what's your views on williamson's and corbyn's tweets? if you can't see that they should be deleted/amended/apologised for, then i see no hope for you | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:43 - Oct 18 with 1514 views | noggin |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:40 - Oct 18 by positivity |
i've always said that corbyn was more of a blundering liability than evil machiavelli. nothing in the last 2 years have changed my view on that!
what's your views on williamson's and corbyn's tweets? if you can't see that they should be deleted/amended/apologised for, then i see no hope for you |
"what's your views on williamson's and corbyn's tweets? if you can't see that they should be deleted/amended/apologised for, then i see no hope for you"
What are they, including the context? |  |
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| Boooom. (n/t) on 18:45 - Oct 18 with 1504 views | Bloots |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:38 - Oct 18 by lowhouseblue |
ah, i see, you want the dictionary definition. to dk: "to bang on endlessly about how reporting / condemning anti-semitism is the weaponisation of anti-semitism against anti-semites, while praising corbyn as a man of peace. As in the whole last decade on twtd." |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:47 - Oct 18 with 1491 views | positivity |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:43 - Oct 18 by noggin |
"what's your views on williamson's and corbyn's tweets? if you can't see that they should be deleted/amended/apologised for, then i see no hope for you"
What are they, including the context? |
glasgowblue has already given corbyn's, context was that hamas had just stated that israel had killed 500 people in an air strike on a hospital.
williamson "Israel has forfeited any right to exist.". same context | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:47 - Oct 18 with 1475 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:38 - Oct 18 by lowhouseblue |
ah, i see, you want the dictionary definition. to dk: "to bang on endlessly about how reporting / condemning anti-semitism is the weaponisation of anti-semitism against anti-semites, while praising corbyn as a man of peace. As in the whole last decade on twtd." |
Pffft.
This is the problem when you and GB cosplay as anti-racists rather than the factional and party political fan boys everyone knows you to be. If you were reporting and condemning antisemitic incidents rather than amplifying and weaponising unsubstantiated accusations then we’d all be on the same side: you, me and Corbyn.
It’s your inability to take antisemitism seriously and factually that gives you away. | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:51 - Oct 18 with 1443 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:47 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
Pffft.
This is the problem when you and GB cosplay as anti-racists rather than the factional and party political fan boys everyone knows you to be. If you were reporting and condemning antisemitic incidents rather than amplifying and weaponising unsubstantiated accusations then we’d all be on the same side: you, me and Corbyn.
It’s your inability to take antisemitism seriously and factually that gives you away. |
there you go, great example. nice to see you learning new vocabulary and then put it straight into use. | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:54 - Oct 18 with 1417 views | noggin |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:47 - Oct 18 by positivity |
glasgowblue has already given corbyn's, context was that hamas had just stated that israel had killed 500 people in an air strike on a hospital.
williamson "Israel has forfeited any right to exist.". same context |
Sorry. GB is on ignore and I don't know who Williamson is. | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:02 - Oct 18 with 1391 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:51 - Oct 18 by lowhouseblue |
there you go, great example. nice to see you learning new vocabulary and then put it straight into use. |
I’m serious. There are a few others who dabble in the weaponisation and misrepresentation because it suits their politics but you two are an utter disgrace on this.
You are apartheid apologists and antisemitism weaponisers for petty political ends. How sad is that?! | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:08 - Oct 18 with 1357 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:02 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
I’m serious. There are a few others who dabble in the weaponisation and misrepresentation because it suits their politics but you two are an utter disgrace on this.
You are apartheid apologists and antisemitism weaponisers for petty political ends. How sad is that?! |
you can't control it can you. weaponisation tourettes - seek help. | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:27 - Oct 18 with 1300 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:02 - Oct 18 by Darth_Koont |
I’m serious. There are a few others who dabble in the weaponisation and misrepresentation because it suits their politics but you two are an utter disgrace on this.
You are apartheid apologists and antisemitism weaponisers for petty political ends. How sad is that?! |
So that’s Lowhouse and I now alongside The Jewish Chronicle, The Jewish Labour Movement, LAAS, The BOard of Deputies of British Jews, Margaret Hodge, and Keir Starmer, as “apartheid apologisers and antisemitism weaponisers”?
Well ignoring the abuse, I’d much rather have my name alongside those people and groups. Whereas your name is alongside Pete Willsmsn, Chris Williamson, David Miller and Tony Greenstien. | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:59 - Oct 18 with 1241 views | StokieBlue |
"The US has used its veto at the UN security council to block a resolution calling for Israel to allow humanitarian corridors into the Gaza Strip, a pause in the fighting and the lifting of an order for civilians to leave the north of the besieged enclave. The UK abstained."
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 20:13 - Oct 18 with 1200 views | positivity |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:54 - Oct 18 by noggin |
Sorry. GB is on ignore and I don't know who Williamson is. |
pro-tip: if you log out you can see gb's posts:-
corbyn said yesterday "Israeli air strikes have hit Al Ahli hospital in Gaza. More than 500 people - patients, doctors & those sheltering - have been killed"
chris williamson is an ex-labour mp and one of corbyn's most loyal supporters on the hard left | |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 20:16 - Oct 18 with 1188 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:59 - Oct 18 by StokieBlue |
"The US has used its veto at the UN security council to block a resolution calling for Israel to allow humanitarian corridors into the Gaza Strip, a pause in the fighting and the lifting of an order for civilians to leave the north of the besieged enclave. The UK abstained."
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Shameless isn't it.....fekkin politics. |  |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 20:30 - Oct 18 with 1145 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 19:59 - Oct 18 by StokieBlue |
"The US has used its veto at the UN security council to block a resolution calling for Israel to allow humanitarian corridors into the Gaza Strip, a pause in the fighting and the lifting of an order for civilians to leave the north of the besieged enclave. The UK abstained."
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Just in case anyone is silly enough to challenge that or ask where you got it from:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/us-vetoes-un-call-for-humanitarian |  |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 20:56 - Oct 18 with 1115 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 11:16 - Oct 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
What money? Supporting Israel costs the US nearly $4bn a year in military aid. At a time when they are already spending vast sums on arming the Ukraine that’s not going to be popular with the electorate. What is this trail of money you refer to? |
I know nothing about this specific case, and I am not looking to make a comment on that part because I don't know.
What I do know is the way lobbying works is not how you are presenting it.
- You lobby individuals or groups of individuals (politicains and political parties)
- Those groups then represent the needs of that group
- This may result in spending large amounts of money.
The distinction here is the money that is paid to the individual or group is not the money that is spent on supporting that groups "needs". This is true in the US in healthcare, guns, potentially foreign policy towards Russia under Trump. Over here we have seen it in huge contracts for companies during covid, housing developers to bypass reforms, and so on.
This is all to say, the state spends more money or enables the donor to access more money than the political parties or individuals receive. So I don't believe we can dismiss money coming into political entities based on money spent and the impact on how the electorate feels, partically when the political parties adopt the same (similar) position, due to both receiving lobby funding. |  |
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| Why are America so pro Israel on 22:41 - Oct 18 with 1049 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why are America so pro Israel on 18:40 - Oct 18 by positivity |
i've always said that corbyn was more of a blundering liability than evil machiavelli. nothing in the last 2 years have changed my view on that!
what's your views on williamson's and corbyn's tweets? if you can't see that they should be deleted/amended/apologised for, then i see no hope for you |
Williamson might think he's making a point but it's crass and offensive.
In his reported follow up it's clear that he is taking the full-on Palestinian perspective of Israel as a racist endeavour. Which is understandable based on the racism that they have suffered as a direct result. But it doesn't take into account the perspective of those who now live in Israel and the majority of whom have no part in the racist oppression and human rights abuses — it's a situation they've been born into.
It's no longer either/or but both peoples that need to be respected and cared for. His tweet certainly doesn't extend that respect and care to Israelis. It's far too emotive and provocative for that and no different from those who seemingly think the Palestinians have lost their rights because of Hamas. Which is equally offensive.
Corbyn's tweet is what? Any different from the people responding to the "news" that babies were beheaded? That didn't change the underlying horrific crimes of Hamas and the massacre of innocents, neither does this change the overall situation of a much more powerful Israeli state and military treating Palestinians inhumanely and then bombing them.
I'm not on Twitter to see if the post is still up or there's been any step back by Corbyn. I'd expect to see him address that when there's firmer confirmation that it wasn't Israeli ordnance. As I said, it doesn't have to change the underlying sentiment as the underlying injustice remains but factual accuracy is more important than ever in this crisis given the implications for civilians.
Not that I care about explaining my views to you. But to counter the implication that I stand 100% by their tweets. | |
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