| Bellingham 16:04 - Oct 18 with 4830 views | FrimleyBlue |
In my lifetime, he's possibly going on to be the best English player i've ever seen, whilst it's early days... how does he in your opinion compare with past greats... |  |
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| Bellingham on 16:08 - Oct 18 with 4289 views | _clive_baker_ |
I was too late for Waddle, Hoddle, and even the likes of Platt to a degree. My era is very much Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard in terms of world class English midfielders. Bellingham's as good as any of them at the same age IMO. He's got absolutely everything, physicality, strength, speed, mentality, vision, technical ability. Can tackle, pass, score goals. He doesn't seem to have a weakness. Not to get carried away but he does remind me of Zidane. |  | | |
| Bellingham on 16:13 - Oct 18 with 4241 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Bellingham on 16:08 - Oct 18 by _clive_baker_ |
I was too late for Waddle, Hoddle, and even the likes of Platt to a degree. My era is very much Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard in terms of world class English midfielders. Bellingham's as good as any of them at the same age IMO. He's got absolutely everything, physicality, strength, speed, mentality, vision, technical ability. Can tackle, pass, score goals. He doesn't seem to have a weakness. Not to get carried away but he does remind me of Zidane. |
I agree with the similarities there, he does just seem to incredibly gifted. | |
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| Bellingham on 16:15 - Oct 18 with 4227 views | Metal_Hacker |
I'm perhaps older than you Frimmers and have seen plenty of very good players but as CB has also mentioned a few notable names such as Scholes , Gerrard etc that are very much worthy shouts but this bloke has the lot
My favourite ever player was , is and always will be Zidane but this young man has all the qualities to be better .Let's just hope he's used correctly for club and country and doesn't burn out [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 16:16]
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| Bellingham on 16:25 - Oct 18 with 4156 views | Churchman |
| Bellingham on 16:08 - Oct 18 by _clive_baker_ |
I was too late for Waddle, Hoddle, and even the likes of Platt to a degree. My era is very much Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard in terms of world class English midfielders. Bellingham's as good as any of them at the same age IMO. He's got absolutely everything, physicality, strength, speed, mentality, vision, technical ability. Can tackle, pass, score goals. He doesn't seem to have a weakness. Not to get carried away but he does remind me of Zidane. |
Gascoigne was the best English player I’ve seen. (George Best was the the greatest British player - in the top three that ever played the game in my view). Shame Gazza has/had rocks for brains and kamikazi’d his own career.
Waddle was good, Hoddle was a smashing player as were the rest you mention, but in ability PG was above them. Had a bit of magic about him too.
But watching a bit of Bellingham’s game last night, he could well be up there with Best for me. Maybe even better. What a player. When somebody makes hard stuff look so easy, you know he’s a bit special. His ability to change pace and awareness of what’s around him is pretty outstanding too.
With Foden and Saka, England have some top players there. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 16:34]
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| Bellingham on 16:28 - Oct 18 with 4129 views | usm |
Hes already world class and hes only 20. If he can avoid serious injury he will surely be one of the best ever - quite possible he will be England's best in living memory.
Gascoigne was superb to watch but Bellingham seems to be very good at everything. |  |
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| Bellingham on 16:29 - Oct 18 with 4101 views | Simonds92 |
He will be the greatest, no doubt about it. Should have been playing every minute in the last euros at 17. |  | | |
| Bellingham on 16:29 - Oct 18 with 4100 views | woodbridge_blue |
In the last 40 years, probably Gascoigne at his peak would be the best English player I have seen. Sadly, that peak was all too brief.
Back to the 70s, and our own candidate (The Beat) aside, we had a whole host of hugely entertaining mavericks, such as Bowles, Worthington,Currie, Hudson, none of whom were trusted by successive England managers.
Agree though, Bellingham looks like he might well be the best of the lot. | | | |
| Bellingham on 16:34 - Oct 18 with 4071 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Bellingham on 16:25 - Oct 18 by Churchman |
Gascoigne was the best English player I’ve seen. (George Best was the the greatest British player - in the top three that ever played the game in my view). Shame Gazza has/had rocks for brains and kamikazi’d his own career.
Waddle was good, Hoddle was a smashing player as were the rest you mention, but in ability PG was above them. Had a bit of magic about him too.
But watching a bit of Bellingham’s game last night, he could well be up there with Best for me. Maybe even better. What a player. When somebody makes hard stuff look so easy, you know he’s a bit special. His ability to change pace and awareness of what’s around him is pretty outstanding too.
With Foden and Saka, England have some top players there. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 16:34]
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I loved Gazza, what a wonderful player to watch for club or country. A real character too, although a shame he clearly had his demons off the pitch. Grealish is probably the closest to that England have produced recently, a character and not lacking in confidence, but he seems like a decent bloke. Only fear I have for him is him not having his rough edges overly polished in the modern game. He seems to have lost a little bit of his unpredictability in possession which is a shame for me.
Bellingham is an absolute gazelle, glides around the pitch so effortlessly with those huge strides. He's like Panutche Camara if he was one of the best players in the world. | | | |
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| Bellingham on 16:36 - Oct 18 with 4047 views | JakeITFC |
He's in the conversation for best player in the world already, and I don't think many of the England team in my era have been there. My only worry is that he has played so much football already, I hope his body can continue to deal with it (and I'm hopeful that a move to Madrid better suits that than playing 60 games a year for Liverpool would have). |  | | |
| Bellingham on 16:37 - Oct 18 with 4038 views | hoppy |
If only Jay Tabb hadn't been Irish... |  |
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| Bellingham on 16:42 - Oct 18 with 4006 views | Churchman |
| Bellingham on 16:29 - Oct 18 by woodbridge_blue |
In the last 40 years, probably Gascoigne at his peak would be the best English player I have seen. Sadly, that peak was all too brief.
Back to the 70s, and our own candidate (The Beat) aside, we had a whole host of hugely entertaining mavericks, such as Bowles, Worthington,Currie, Hudson, none of whom were trusted by successive England managers.
Agree though, Bellingham looks like he might well be the best of the lot. |
The problem was that those players were barely trusted by their own clubs half the time. Duncan McKenzie was another like that, though I think he was a Scot. Another top player that didn’t feature enough was Trevor Brooking. If ever there was a Rolls Royce footballer it was him.
Of them, I think Currie was the unluckiest. What a player. I was lucky to see all of them. Of the forwards you mention, none of them were as good as Paul Mariner though despite their obvious talent. | | | |
| Bellingham on 17:01 - Oct 18 with 3923 views | MK1 |
He will be the best ever if he continues as he is, but can only imagine he will get even better. As others have said, very Zinedine Zidane like.. Think he will go down as one of the greats of all time, let alone England's. |  |
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| Bellingham on 17:26 - Oct 18 with 3833 views | jontysnut |
| Bellingham on 16:42 - Oct 18 by Churchman |
The problem was that those players were barely trusted by their own clubs half the time. Duncan McKenzie was another like that, though I think he was a Scot. Another top player that didn’t feature enough was Trevor Brooking. If ever there was a Rolls Royce footballer it was him.
Of them, I think Currie was the unluckiest. What a player. I was lucky to see all of them. Of the forwards you mention, none of them were as good as Paul Mariner though despite their obvious talent. |
McKenzie was English but I don't think he ever represented England at any level. One of those players who on his day was brilliant but there were too few of them. He could jump over a mini.
Chris Waddle was a talent, more consistent but still had that infuriating habit of drifting in and out of games- and saying pelanty. Can't have been that bad otherwise Marseilles wouldn't have bought him.
Hoddle was a sublime player but England managers never really knew what to do with him. In a better side he'd have been world class.
Gazza was a flawed genius but (sorry Beat) probably the best English player I've seen.
Bellingham looks like he has all the ingredients to be one of the greats. He comes across as passionate on the pitch as well so good luck to the lad |  | | |
| Bellingham on 18:12 - Oct 18 with 3738 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Bellingham on 16:08 - Oct 18 by _clive_baker_ |
I was too late for Waddle, Hoddle, and even the likes of Platt to a degree. My era is very much Scholes, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard in terms of world class English midfielders. Bellingham's as good as any of them at the same age IMO. He's got absolutely everything, physicality, strength, speed, mentality, vision, technical ability. Can tackle, pass, score goals. He doesn't seem to have a weakness. Not to get carried away but he does remind me of Zidane. |
Also of the same era - can’t help but feel the likes of Lampard and Gerrard in particular always came up short of being world class. At least at for England where we always seem to lose at the first sight of a decent team. The current generation have already achieved more, and probably with less hype.
Bellingham already at Real Madrid (and smashing it) at his age suggests he’ll be a class above the aforementioned.
Ps +1 on Gazza being the most gifted English player I’ve seen in my time his unpredictablility was a joy to watch, and his goal against Scotland at Euro ‘96 is still my favourite ever goal - just genius. | | | |
| Bellingham on 18:25 - Oct 18 with 3704 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Bellingham on 16:36 - Oct 18 by JakeITFC |
He's in the conversation for best player in the world already, and I don't think many of the England team in my era have been there. My only worry is that he has played so much football already, I hope his body can continue to deal with it (and I'm hopeful that a move to Madrid better suits that than playing 60 games a year for Liverpool would have). |
Gazza, hands down, the best we've had in recent times. At the 1990 World Cup, he was arguably the best player in the world, at that moment.
Jude Bellingham. Well, he's just incredible. He has it all, as others have said. Tackle, run, pass, assist, score.
He's well on his way to being our greatest, ever. |  | | |
| Bellingham on 18:49 - Oct 18 with 3652 views | TractorJack |
Rene Maric who coached him at Dortmund said 'He is like Zidane in small spaces and Gerrard in big spaces'. Thought that was a good summary. |  | | |
| Bellingham on 20:11 - Oct 18 with 3504 views | JakeITFC |
| Bellingham on 18:25 - Oct 18 by OsborneOneNil |
Gazza, hands down, the best we've had in recent times. At the 1990 World Cup, he was arguably the best player in the world, at that moment.
Jude Bellingham. Well, he's just incredible. He has it all, as others have said. Tackle, run, pass, assist, score.
He's well on his way to being our greatest, ever. |
Yeah, slightly before my time (I was born in 1990).
I think from my time that Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, Michael Owen and Harry Kane have probably all had solid shouts of being the best in their respective positions and on the periphery of best in the world, but I genuinely think that Bellingham is a very serious contender right now. | | | |
| Bellingham on 20:51 - Oct 18 with 3417 views | blueislander |
| Bellingham on 20:11 - Oct 18 by JakeITFC |
Yeah, slightly before my time (I was born in 1990).
I think from my time that Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, Michael Owen and Harry Kane have probably all had solid shouts of being the best in their respective positions and on the periphery of best in the world, but I genuinely think that Bellingham is a very serious contender right now. |
Being extremely old, I would make cases for Duncan Edwards, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, and our own Kevin Beattie. It is far too early to put Bellingham alongside the greats imo, but I would not deny that he has the potential to join them. | | | |
| Bellingham on 21:26 - Oct 18 with 3359 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Bellingham on 20:11 - Oct 18 by JakeITFC |
Yeah, slightly before my time (I was born in 1990).
I think from my time that Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, Michael Owen and Harry Kane have probably all had solid shouts of being the best in their respective positions and on the periphery of best in the world, but I genuinely think that Bellingham is a very serious contender right now. |
Gazza was incredible. Very similar buzz to the one we have now with Bellingham.
Massive difference is their personality, and maturity. Chalk and cheese. Bellingham is a more complete player too.
Of the guys in your era, I'd say Owen and Rooney had that extra star quality, both at 18 or so. Let's hope Jude can play at a top level for many years. | | | |
| Bellingham on 05:29 - Oct 19 with 3115 views | Mercian |
He was the best player in The Championship at 16, the second best in the Bundesliga at 18 and after Haaland left the best at 19. Now he's the best in La Liga aged 20. There are a few excellent midfielders in has age group (Musiala, Pedri, Wirtz and Gavi) but Bellingham stands out even among these special talents. He is better than Saka and I love Saka. Better than Vini Jnr, Rodrygo and Valverde at Real, all great talents. Importantly he does not seem to have demons in his closet so has all the assests to be the best. The only 20 year old player I have seen better than him is/was Messi and he is IMO the GOAT. |  | | |
| Bellingham on 09:53 - Oct 19 with 2899 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Bit early to get that excited? Rooney and Owen were never as good as adults as they were as teenagers.
He’s level headed and has now had a couple of very good games for England and is doing astonishingly well at Real Madrid for erm 8 games.
But he’s got to do more than that for a decade to be mentioned in the same breath Bobby Charlton | |
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| Bellingham on 09:54 - Oct 19 with 2895 views | Keno |
He's OK, but hes no Kevin Beattie |  |
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| Bellingham on 09:57 - Oct 19 with 2889 views | billlm |
| Bellingham on 16:25 - Oct 18 by Churchman |
Gascoigne was the best English player I’ve seen. (George Best was the the greatest British player - in the top three that ever played the game in my view). Shame Gazza has/had rocks for brains and kamikazi’d his own career.
Waddle was good, Hoddle was a smashing player as were the rest you mention, but in ability PG was above them. Had a bit of magic about him too.
But watching a bit of Bellingham’s game last night, he could well be up there with Best for me. Maybe even better. What a player. When somebody makes hard stuff look so easy, you know he’s a bit special. His ability to change pace and awareness of what’s around him is pretty outstanding too.
With Foden and Saka, England have some top players there. [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 16:34]
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Agree Gascoigne for me what an Englishman,
Best yes saw him live once at PR I'm blessed,
Sky's the limit for Jude a very grounded young man and a super talent,
He will probably drive us on to a major trophy in the next 12 years, |  | | |
| Bellingham on 09:57 - Oct 19 with 2886 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Bellingham on 09:53 - Oct 19 by ElephantintheRoom |
Bit early to get that excited? Rooney and Owen were never as good as adults as they were as teenagers.
He’s level headed and has now had a couple of very good games for England and is doing astonishingly well at Real Madrid for erm 8 games.
But he’s got to do more than that for a decade to be mentioned in the same breath Bobby Charlton |
Sorry, what? Rooney?? He was genuinely world class through his mid 20's. | | | |
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