| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:22 - Oct 19 with 4267 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Nice to see that he had a blue one and his sister a pink one. |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:24 - Oct 19 with 4256 views | giant_stow |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:22 - Oct 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nice to see that he had a blue one and his sister a pink one. |
Musy be an old school family but how could they mistake obvious water pistols for guns |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:29 - Oct 19 with 4240 views | NthQldITFC |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:22 - Oct 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nice to see that he had a blue one and his sister a pink one. |
The Met aren't renowned for being colour blind. |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:30 - Oct 19 with 4236 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Just the Met Police doing Met Police things. |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:31 - Oct 19 with 4234 views | leitrimblue |
The Met have a right to defend themselves or some other similar nonsense? |  | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:33 - Oct 19 with 4220 views | giant_stow |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:31 - Oct 19 by leitrimblue |
The Met have a right to defend themselves or some other similar nonsense? |
It's just crazy innit - little red dots on him and everything- that lad's life could be fcked right up now. | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:36 - Oct 19 with 4189 views | leitrimblue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:33 - Oct 19 by giant_stow |
It's just crazy innit - little red dots on him and everything- that lad's life could be fcked right up now. |
Yer definitely not gonna get over that quickly at 13 years old | | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 09:20 - Oct 19 with 4117 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 08:24 - Oct 19 by giant_stow |
Musy be an old school family but how could they mistake obvious water pistols for guns |
Well it certainly wouldn't be because the boy was black. No way, no how. | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:08 - Oct 19 with 4056 views | Ryorry |
Outrageous, and clearly not just a "heat of the moment" thing either, when the article states "Raju Bhatt, a family solicitor, said the police watchdog had failed in this case which had twice referred to them and twice they had declined to investigate.".
The person who did the reporting here also needs investigating I'd say - "The Met said it was called to a report of a gun in the street"  |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:13 - Oct 19 with 4041 views | Crawfordsboot |
Sorry to spoil the pile on but the police received a report that a boy on a bike was pointing a gun at a girl. They responded appropriated to that report. In other circumstances 13 year olds run drugs for dealers. What if it had been a real gun!
In this case the police appear to have been in a no win situation. Damned for responding and finding it’s only a water pistol or damned for ignoring a call from a member of the public.
Equally the mother could have taken the view that the police responded to protect the life of her daughter. Not their fault that the report was in error and that it was just her brother pointing a toy pistol. |  | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:19 - Oct 19 with 4012 views | Crawfordsboot |
So what do you think is enough, and why do you think that? | | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:20 - Oct 19 with 4008 views | LankHenners |
This may seem terrible and a grossly excessive use of force, but what you have to remember is that it's a very difficult job, you don't often have time to think about things, and if you were in their position and saw a child riding about with a brightly coloured water pistol, your first thought may well have been to drive into them then get out with a number of other officers and point big guns at him. Plus there may be an officer somewhere else not remotely involved in the incident who isn't doing anything wrong.
So it's basically impossible to judge whether this is good or bad. |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:28 - Oct 19 with 3968 views | giant_stow |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:13 - Oct 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Sorry to spoil the pile on but the police received a report that a boy on a bike was pointing a gun at a girl. They responded appropriated to that report. In other circumstances 13 year olds run drugs for dealers. What if it had been a real gun!
In this case the police appear to have been in a no win situation. Damned for responding and finding it’s only a water pistol or damned for ignoring a call from a member of the public.
Equally the mother could have taken the view that the police responded to protect the life of her daughter. Not their fault that the report was in error and that it was just her brother pointing a toy pistol. |
I can't tell whether you're being serious or not.... | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:06 - Oct 19 with 3899 views | StokieBlue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:13 - Oct 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Sorry to spoil the pile on but the police received a report that a boy on a bike was pointing a gun at a girl. They responded appropriated to that report. In other circumstances 13 year olds run drugs for dealers. What if it had been a real gun!
In this case the police appear to have been in a no win situation. Damned for responding and finding it’s only a water pistol or damned for ignoring a call from a member of the public.
Equally the mother could have taken the view that the police responded to protect the life of her daughter. Not their fault that the report was in error and that it was just her brother pointing a toy pistol. |
Not many real guns are blue or pink.
Can you find some account of where 13 year olds point real guns at small girls for drug runners? I suspect you'll find exactly zero cases of that happening.
It is allowed to criticise the police, especially when they do something daft.
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:08 - Oct 19 with 3878 views | chicoazul |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:13 - Oct 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Sorry to spoil the pile on but the police received a report that a boy on a bike was pointing a gun at a girl. They responded appropriated to that report. In other circumstances 13 year olds run drugs for dealers. What if it had been a real gun!
In this case the police appear to have been in a no win situation. Damned for responding and finding it’s only a water pistol or damned for ignoring a call from a member of the public.
Equally the mother could have taken the view that the police responded to protect the life of her daughter. Not their fault that the report was in error and that it was just her brother pointing a toy pistol. |
What if what if what if.
What if the Police were actually competent and did the job we pay them for? |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:22 - Oct 19 with 3822 views | lowhouseblue |
i wonder why police aren't all that relaxed when responding to gun reports in hackney?
https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/topics/gun-crime/ |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:32 - Oct 19 with 3774 views | giant_stow |
Given that professional experience, isn't it reasonable to expect pro marksmen to be able to tell the difference between a blue water pistle (held by a child) an a firearm?
Or should all black kids be advised not to play with water guns? [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 11:34]
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:40 - Oct 19 with 3731 views | lowhouseblue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:32 - Oct 19 by giant_stow |
Given that professional experience, isn't it reasonable to expect pro marksmen to be able to tell the difference between a blue water pistle (held by a child) an a firearm?
Or should all black kids be advised not to play with water guns? [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 11:34]
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i don't know the exact details - what the police saw or didn't see when they arrived after the report of someone with a gun. i don't know how precisely they could judge the person's age when they arrived. i suspect they would have stopped if they had conclusively identified it as a plastic water pistol. it was undoubtedly an error but my point was that given the very high level of gun crime and gun deaths in hackney the police have to adopt to a very risk averse approach when responding to reports of guns. in many cases they are real - even with teenagers.
if i had teenage kids in hackney i certainly wouldn't want them taking anything that could be mistaken for a gun into a public space. | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 12:11 - Oct 19 with 3652 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:08 - Oct 19 by chicoazul |
What if what if what if.
What if the Police were actually competent and did the job we pay them for? |
See
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53532799
Again a member of the public reported seeing a gun and the police responded. Boy in school uniform looks childlike but perhaps out of his school blazer and holding that “toy” gun he probably looked very different. In the photo the gun certainly doesn’t look like a toy! | | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 12:43 - Oct 19 with 3548 views | Pendejo |
In my opinion this is the salient paragraph
At 3.45pm on Wednesday 9 July police say an officer “saw a male on a bicycle pointing what was believed to be a handgun at a young girl”. Armed officers were called, with two armed response vehicles attending the scene.
Called in by a Police Officer?
Presumably he had 2 to 5 mins or so between calling it in and armed response to arrive in which to observe and establish facts?
Would be helpful to see a picture of the "gun"
When AR unit arrives decisive action required, served as a warning to others. |  |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:03 - Oct 19 with 3479 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 11:06 - Oct 19 by StokieBlue |
Not many real guns are blue or pink.
Can you find some account of where 13 year olds point real guns at small girls for drug runners? I suspect you'll find exactly zero cases of that happening.
It is allowed to criticise the police, especially when they do something daft.
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=coloured+pistols&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&
A quick google shows coloured pistols - some real pistols, others just water pistols. At first glance not at all obvious which is which, particularly when responding to a report of a gun in a public space.
You can also google accounts of teenagers using guns.
Of course in this case the member of the public was mistaken and the police actions not necessary but surely you must accept that they had to respond.
Edit I see that the first call in was from a beat copper. ( not mentioned in the report I read) I am sure he will get ridiculed by his colleagues, though I imagine standing orders are that he should keep his distance until an armed unit arrives. It doesn’t change the fact that an armed unit will have been responding to a perceived real threat. [Post edited 19 Oct 2023 13:16]
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:18 - Oct 19 with 3423 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 10:13 - Oct 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Sorry to spoil the pile on but the police received a report that a boy on a bike was pointing a gun at a girl. They responded appropriated to that report. In other circumstances 13 year olds run drugs for dealers. What if it had been a real gun!
In this case the police appear to have been in a no win situation. Damned for responding and finding it’s only a water pistol or damned for ignoring a call from a member of the public.
Equally the mother could have taken the view that the police responded to protect the life of her daughter. Not their fault that the report was in error and that it was just her brother pointing a toy pistol. |
Broadly, I agree with you, the way the Police handled it after etc is entirely fair game but following a report from the public that a man was pointing a gun at member of the public I think using non-lethal force to neutralize a potential danger to life is fair and proportionate. I’m sure a lot of people would be slamming the police if this had been a real threat they didn’t react to quickly enough.
The police deserve criticism for many things they do or don’t do but too many people are blindly jumping on a police bashing bandwagon far too easily on this instance |  | | |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:47 - Oct 19 with 3356 views | giant_stow |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:18 - Oct 19 by PassionNotAnger |
Broadly, I agree with you, the way the Police handled it after etc is entirely fair game but following a report from the public that a man was pointing a gun at member of the public I think using non-lethal force to neutralize a potential danger to life is fair and proportionate. I’m sure a lot of people would be slamming the police if this had been a real threat they didn’t react to quickly enough.
The police deserve criticism for many things they do or don’t do but too many people are blindly jumping on a police bashing bandwagon far too easily on this instance |
I'm pretty surprised by these takes tbh. This is a now seriously traumatised 13 year old child we're talking about here, playing on a bike with a water pistol...
I realise that some gang members are very young, but how many 13 year olds shoot people with guns?
As the article I linked to says, there's some serious aduldification going on here which is replicated in some of the replies in this thread. | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:52 - Oct 19 with 3333 views | lowhouseblue |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:47 - Oct 19 by giant_stow |
I'm pretty surprised by these takes tbh. This is a now seriously traumatised 13 year old child we're talking about here, playing on a bike with a water pistol...
I realise that some gang members are very young, but how many 13 year olds shoot people with guns?
As the article I linked to says, there's some serious aduldification going on here which is replicated in some of the replies in this thread. |
can you be sure that the police arriving at the scene knew he was 13? can you always tell 13 year olds from, say, 16 year olds with a high degree of confidence? mid-teens are involved in gun crime and are also the victims of gun crime. it may not be adultification - it may be that they were unaware of his exact age? | |
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| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:57 - Oct 19 with 3302 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Met rammed boy, 13, playing with water pistol off bike and pointed guns at him on 13:47 - Oct 19 by giant_stow |
I'm pretty surprised by these takes tbh. This is a now seriously traumatised 13 year old child we're talking about here, playing on a bike with a water pistol...
I realise that some gang members are very young, but how many 13 year olds shoot people with guns?
As the article I linked to says, there's some serious aduldification going on here which is replicated in some of the replies in this thread. |
You shouldn’t be surprised as your title in the OP made it clear what your starting position in this.
A 13 yr old lad can quite commonly be the size of an adult and certainly whilst riding a bike
Based on info the responding armed response unit would have received (man pointing gun at girl whilst riding a bike) thry they turned up and saw a suspect they have to make a judgment. Taking down a suspect without firing any shots, taser etc and prevent a potential shooting isn’t a bad outcome for them based on what they were advised.
Would rather give the benefit of the doubt to those whose job is go towards people with guns and knives than jump on the keyboard gang for who a lot have the starting position that all cops are bad/incompetent. | | | |
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