| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight 21:14 - Nov 1 with 19052 views | MancBlue86 |
We are clear in the league (with a GIH) and have a chance if making the 1/4 finals of a cup competition, with a real chance of getting to the semi’s (vale and boro as potential 1/4 opponents) and he puts out that side! If we were a 1-4 points clear in the league then fair enough but come on, we should have gone for it tonight, I would have and Im sure most of you would agree? |  |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:01 - Nov 2 with 2488 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 21:21 - Nov 1 by MancBlue86 |
Normally I would agree with you all but I’m sticking with my original point, we are clear as we could have ever dreamed of, we should have gone for it tonight, sorry but just how I feel. No wrong or right here, just a matter of opinion |
If we'd won last night but one of Davis, Morsy, Chaplin or Broadhead had got a season ending injury, would you have considered that a price worth paying to be in the quarter finals? |  | | |
| Pretty much all of this innit on 10:20 - Nov 2 with 2464 views | Dyland |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 09:01 - Nov 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
1. What if first teamers had got injured?
2. What if first teamers get injured, lose form, get suspended, jet off around the world to play for their countries in the coming weeks and months and we need up-to-speed players ready to slot in?
3. The gap to third doesn't really mean much at this stage.
4. Non-playing players need to be kept happy and involved.
5. It's was a Wednesday night. We've just had a big, tiring game Saturday and have a trip to Birmingham in 2 days time.
6. Showing the back-ups aren't all up to it gives McKenna a stronger hand when asking for more players in Jan (with such a great start the leadership group might be tempted to think we don't need them).
7. Promotion is the priority at this stage. A cup is a nice-to-have further down the line. For now promotion is the prize.
In an ideal world we'd go for everything but it just isn't realistic or wise. McKenna knows exactly what to do. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 9:08]
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With the start we've had you gotta see top six and therefore genuine chance of promotion as the absolute priority even at this early stage of the season. All about the money, for better (not much) or worse (mainly).
I know you didn't mean it negatively but I'd change "Showing the back-ups aren't all up to it" to "seeing if the back-ups aren't all up to it" :)
EDIT: "clear in the league" means fook all at the beginning of November. Let's see where we are come January when the transfer window opens. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 10:22]
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:23 - Nov 2 with 2455 views | CityBlue |
People disagreeing with you but to be fair, a large attendance, chance to show our pedigree plus numerous other psychological battles. As much as I agree with getting minutes for fringe players, felt a number of individuals should have had cameo roles.
For example, if he had no one for left back but Clarke, why not start Williams or Davis?
We lacked dominance in the middle too and working the double pivot sometimes needs a bit more experience in the middle.
I knew that when Sone was taken off and then Baggot brought on that K McK had no real interest in actually being competitive in the tie.
Plus points however - Tuanzebe getting minutes, Baggot getting a goal, Aluko showing he still has the class to compete. |  |
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| 60 downvotes on 10:34 - Nov 2 with 2442 views | blueasfook |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:46 - Nov 2 with 2414 views | Franzgumm |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 09:08 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
But what's the point in risking some of our regular first team players and adding to their already busy workload in order to be a bit more competitive? As McKenna says, this isn't a year where we're really gunning to win the cup, it's not going to happen, our priorities are elsewhere. |
It's nuanced, isn't it.
As I said, I see that we might well be happy to go out. That's a legitimate view to have.
But viewing this as an opportunity to test or players against Prem opposition and then fielding second string players or those coming back from injury, seems counter-intuitive to me.
I didn't see McKenna say we weren't that bothered about going through, or suchlike. If he did say something like that, then fine.
Personally, if we DID want to go through, I think he misjudged by making too many changes. Starting with Hirst, Hutchinson or Broadhead would have given us a chance to compete better and maybe go through.
Anyway, no biggie, tbh. |  |
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| "why not start Williams or Davis?" on 10:46 - Nov 2 with 2417 views | Dyland |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:23 - Nov 2 by CityBlue |
People disagreeing with you but to be fair, a large attendance, chance to show our pedigree plus numerous other psychological battles. As much as I agree with getting minutes for fringe players, felt a number of individuals should have had cameo roles.
For example, if he had no one for left back but Clarke, why not start Williams or Davis?
We lacked dominance in the middle too and working the double pivot sometimes needs a bit more experience in the middle.
I knew that when Sone was taken off and then Baggot brought on that K McK had no real interest in actually being competitive in the tie.
Plus points however - Tuanzebe getting minutes, Baggot getting a goal, Aluko showing he still has the class to compete. |
We are noticeably weaker with one/both of them not playing. We are concentrating on the league after our crazy silly start, because promotion/playoffs is a real possibility. So the first choice fullbacks were rested, and Davis especially really needed that.
I also don't disagree with the sentiment btw, but this has been the norm across all teams in the pyramid for many, many years. | |
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| Pretty much all of this innit on 10:48 - Nov 2 with 2409 views | Franzgumm |
| Pretty much all of this innit on 10:20 - Nov 2 by Dyland |
With the start we've had you gotta see top six and therefore genuine chance of promotion as the absolute priority even at this early stage of the season. All about the money, for better (not much) or worse (mainly).
I know you didn't mean it negatively but I'd change "Showing the back-ups aren't all up to it" to "seeing if the back-ups aren't all up to it" :)
EDIT: "clear in the league" means fook all at the beginning of November. Let's see where we are come January when the transfer window opens. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 10:22]
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We did learn a few things last night - Ladapo has gone, Walton needs some serious ganetime to get match ready, Tuanzebe could be decent with more game time, Baggott is ready to step up when needed. Other than that it was a useful close season-style run-out for the rest. | |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:54 - Nov 2 with 2400 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:23 - Nov 2 by CityBlue |
People disagreeing with you but to be fair, a large attendance, chance to show our pedigree plus numerous other psychological battles. As much as I agree with getting minutes for fringe players, felt a number of individuals should have had cameo roles.
For example, if he had no one for left back but Clarke, why not start Williams or Davis?
We lacked dominance in the middle too and working the double pivot sometimes needs a bit more experience in the middle.
I knew that when Sone was taken off and then Baggot brought on that K McK had no real interest in actually being competitive in the tie.
Plus points however - Tuanzebe getting minutes, Baggot getting a goal, Aluko showing he still has the class to compete. |
"For example, if he had no one for left back but Clarke, why not start Williams or Davis?"
Because we have Birmingham saturday, and we want out best team out there..
Personally, although I had clarke down at LB and JD at RB, as it was obviously gonna be done that way. You could argue that we could have played Clarke at RB and Humphreys at LB, if we really wanted to. But JD needed minutes.
For me however it has shown there are some who will be leaving the club in the next 12 months.
JD
Ball
Ladapo
Jackson
the latter two not just based on last night, but freddie as much as i love him, he's not hirst in that when he doesn't score he doesnt actually help the side as much.
Jackson, he's a helpful sub, but that's it really.
JD, lovely turnaround at town, but he's reached his level and we're far far over it now.
Ball, in all his appearences he just seems average, probably not playing everyweek won't help of course, but if we need to call upon him, I don't feel confident he's the man to call up. |  |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:12 - Nov 2 with 2381 views | ibbleobble |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:46 - Nov 2 by Franzgumm |
It's nuanced, isn't it.
As I said, I see that we might well be happy to go out. That's a legitimate view to have.
But viewing this as an opportunity to test or players against Prem opposition and then fielding second string players or those coming back from injury, seems counter-intuitive to me.
I didn't see McKenna say we weren't that bothered about going through, or suchlike. If he did say something like that, then fine.
Personally, if we DID want to go through, I think he misjudged by making too many changes. Starting with Hirst, Hutchinson or Broadhead would have given us a chance to compete better and maybe go through.
Anyway, no biggie, tbh. |
If you play a second string and it comes off, it looks good. If it doesn’t, it looks poor. We’ve seen this a number of times with Mick and Lambert. It’s disappointing as I’m sure we’d all have liked a trip to Goodison but not a big drama. Fulham made 7 changes too which is why it also looks a little poor to concede three at home and go out with a whimper after a good comeback against Wolves who are at a similar standard. | | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:30 - Nov 2 with 2361 views | Franzgumm |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:12 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
If you play a second string and it comes off, it looks good. If it doesn’t, it looks poor. We’ve seen this a number of times with Mick and Lambert. It’s disappointing as I’m sure we’d all have liked a trip to Goodison but not a big drama. Fulham made 7 changes too which is why it also looks a little poor to concede three at home and go out with a whimper after a good comeback against Wolves who are at a similar standard. |
I'm not really bothered about how it looks, to be honest. Fulham have been in the Prem for 3 of the last 5 years, they will have decent quality in all positions, first XI and reserve. We have spent the past several seasons in Lge 1. It was always going to be tough. How 3-1 "looks" isn't important.
The romantic in me would have loved us to give ourselves a better chance of a big night, that's all.
(While the pragmatist does recognise that the last thing we need is to add an away trip to Everton to the 14 days in December which already include games vs Watford, Norwich, Leeds and Leicester) | |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:33 - Nov 2 with 2355 views | ibbleobble |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:30 - Nov 2 by Franzgumm |
I'm not really bothered about how it looks, to be honest. Fulham have been in the Prem for 3 of the last 5 years, they will have decent quality in all positions, first XI and reserve. We have spent the past several seasons in Lge 1. It was always going to be tough. How 3-1 "looks" isn't important.
The romantic in me would have loved us to give ourselves a better chance of a big night, that's all.
(While the pragmatist does recognise that the last thing we need is to add an away trip to Everton to the 14 days in December which already include games vs Watford, Norwich, Leeds and Leicester) |
I don’t particularly care about pragmatism. I’m from the school of play every game to win and put out a side that provides the best chance of that week-in-week-out. Last night we didn’t. | | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 12:10 - Nov 2 with 2332 views | kpblues |
Whoops.
Posted Up when I meant down.
I presume there's no way of changing it. | |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 12:17 - Nov 2 with 2320 views | Ryorry |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 12:10 - Nov 2 by kpblues |
Whoops.
Posted Up when I meant down.
I presume there's no way of changing it. |
Refresh page, then vote t'other way to cancel previous vote out. |  |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 12:23 - Nov 2 with 2310 views | Ryorry |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:33 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
I don’t particularly care about pragmatism. I’m from the school of play every game to win and put out a side that provides the best chance of that week-in-week-out. Last night we didn’t. |
Sounds like you're from the school of "never give anyone in the ressies a run out, it's not as though we'll ever need them to be up to speed as subs in league games" and "who cares about potential injuries to key players like Leif Davis"; not to mention the school of "who cares about giving ourselves the best chance of promotion to the Prem that we've had in 20 years".
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 13:40 - Nov 2 with 2288 views | Herbivore |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:33 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
I don’t particularly care about pragmatism. I’m from the school of play every game to win and put out a side that provides the best chance of that week-in-week-out. Last night we didn’t. |
Aka the school of doesn't understand modern football. |  |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 13:53 - Nov 2 with 2278 views | blueislander |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 21:17 - Nov 1 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
The Ipswich tradition is to play a weak side in the cup to protect league form and then lose league form. It will be a real sign that the curse is lifted if we don’t lose league form now! |
“The Ipswich tradition” B-locks. This was started by McCarthy. However I am totally comfortable with McK enna’s decision. The circumstances are entirely different. | | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 14:12 - Nov 2 with 2262 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 10:23 - Nov 2 by CityBlue |
People disagreeing with you but to be fair, a large attendance, chance to show our pedigree plus numerous other psychological battles. As much as I agree with getting minutes for fringe players, felt a number of individuals should have had cameo roles.
For example, if he had no one for left back but Clarke, why not start Williams or Davis?
We lacked dominance in the middle too and working the double pivot sometimes needs a bit more experience in the middle.
I knew that when Sone was taken off and then Baggot brought on that K McK had no real interest in actually being competitive in the tie.
Plus points however - Tuanzebe getting minutes, Baggot getting a goal, Aluko showing he still has the class to compete. |
"why not start Williams or Davis?"
Because they need a rest and/or might get injured.
We've shown our pedigree to large attendances all season, we don't need to do it in cup games as well.
Some of you really don't have your priorities right. Thankfully McKenna does. |  |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 14:15 - Nov 2 with 2252 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 11:33 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
I don’t particularly care about pragmatism. I’m from the school of play every game to win and put out a side that provides the best chance of that week-in-week-out. Last night we didn’t. |
Well I'm glad you're not our manager. | |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:01 - Nov 2 with 2206 views | ibbleobble |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 13:40 - Nov 2 by Herbivore |
Aka the school of doesn't understand modern football. |
Christ, what a pleb. Mr Football with his deep rooted knowledge of the game he watches on his television set. Bet you e played a million games in your head but none on an actual pitch.
Putting out a side to win doesn’t mean exhausting players who have a lot of minutes already in their legs; there’s a balance. We’ve seen it before, swapping all eleven is too high a risk as it proved. Now we’re out. At this stage of the competition 4,5 or 6 changes tops, not the whole team. KM got it wrong last night which pales into insignificance really given he rarely does.
Looking forward to learning more about the modern game from your next copy and paste. | | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:03 - Nov 2 with 2206 views | ibbleobble |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 12:23 - Nov 2 by Ryorry |
Sounds like you're from the school of "never give anyone in the ressies a run out, it's not as though we'll ever need them to be up to speed as subs in league games" and "who cares about potential injuries to key players like Leif Davis"; not to mention the school of "who cares about giving ourselves the best chance of promotion to the Prem that we've had in 20 years".
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Pfffft. Ifs and buts. All eleven was unnecessary. Be consistent. Mick and Lambert took criticism for it, so should McKenna. | | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:12 - Nov 2 with 2195 views | Herbivore |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:01 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
Christ, what a pleb. Mr Football with his deep rooted knowledge of the game he watches on his television set. Bet you e played a million games in your head but none on an actual pitch.
Putting out a side to win doesn’t mean exhausting players who have a lot of minutes already in their legs; there’s a balance. We’ve seen it before, swapping all eleven is too high a risk as it proved. Now we’re out. At this stage of the competition 4,5 or 6 changes tops, not the whole team. KM got it wrong last night which pales into insignificance really given he rarely does.
Looking forward to learning more about the modern game from your next copy and paste. |
You remind me of a former poster called Keanish. That's not a compliment. | |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:15 - Nov 2 with 2192 views | mrfixit426 |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:01 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
Christ, what a pleb. Mr Football with his deep rooted knowledge of the game he watches on his television set. Bet you e played a million games in your head but none on an actual pitch.
Putting out a side to win doesn’t mean exhausting players who have a lot of minutes already in their legs; there’s a balance. We’ve seen it before, swapping all eleven is too high a risk as it proved. Now we’re out. At this stage of the competition 4,5 or 6 changes tops, not the whole team. KM got it wrong last night which pales into insignificance really given he rarely does.
Looking forward to learning more about the modern game from your next copy and paste. |
Doubling down and showing everyone you really don't understand modern football is a slightly strange move. |  | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:17 - Nov 2 with 2187 views | hype313 |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:01 - Nov 2 by ibbleobble |
Christ, what a pleb. Mr Football with his deep rooted knowledge of the game he watches on his television set. Bet you e played a million games in your head but none on an actual pitch.
Putting out a side to win doesn’t mean exhausting players who have a lot of minutes already in their legs; there’s a balance. We’ve seen it before, swapping all eleven is too high a risk as it proved. Now we’re out. At this stage of the competition 4,5 or 6 changes tops, not the whole team. KM got it wrong last night which pales into insignificance really given he rarely does.
Looking forward to learning more about the modern game from your next copy and paste. |
No one cares about the league cup, look at the teams the PL put out last night, it was second string across the board. It's the bottom of the rung competition, everyone has bigger prioroties over this cup.
Imagine we put a first team out last night and got knocks to Morsy, Chaplin, Luongo, Wolfie, everyone would be going apocalyptic about it.
We forget it and move on the the most important part of our season. |  |
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| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:21 - Nov 2 with 2171 views | ibbleobble |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:15 - Nov 2 by mrfixit426 |
Doubling down and showing everyone you really don't understand modern football is a slightly strange move. |
FFS! “Don’t understand modern football”. So your take on that is that you have to rest your entire first team because what, they can’t play two games in a week and we don’t want to risk ruining a potential return to the PL even though we’re only a quarter of the way through season?
I think anyone calling fans out for “not understanding the modern game” when they get all their information second hand is a bit moronic to be honest. | | | |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:22 - Nov 2 with 2168 views | ibbleobble |
| Disappointed in Mckenna tonight on 16:17 - Nov 2 by hype313 |
No one cares about the league cup, look at the teams the PL put out last night, it was second string across the board. It's the bottom of the rung competition, everyone has bigger prioroties over this cup.
Imagine we put a first team out last night and got knocks to Morsy, Chaplin, Luongo, Wolfie, everyone would be going apocalyptic about it.
We forget it and move on the the most important part of our season. |
…all the more reason to believe it’s a winnable tournament. We’re in the business of winning and winning trophies, end of. | | | |
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