| Result doesn't remotely matter 21:48 - Nov 1 with 4493 views | Dubtractor |
But that was pretty dreadful tbh.
Positive from Humphreys and Baggott. Ball was appalling. Too many players miles off their game.
Not too fussed though, was prob an ask too far for the second 11 to beat another Premier league team, and league us far more important. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 21:51 - Nov 1 with 3828 views | GlasgowBlue |
I know I’ve been bigging up Hladky since August but we really played a different style of football without our sweeper keeper.
Harness continues to impress and should always be in the match day squad.
Ball offered nothing imo. [Post edited 1 Nov 2023 22:54]
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 21:54 - Nov 1 with 3768 views | baxterbasics |
Wasn't dreadful - we've just been spoiled by a standard of football that was never going to be matched by todays XI
I thought Aluko still looks useful. Always been a fan though. Just doesn't have the legs for 90 mins. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 22:00 - Nov 1 with 3700 views | tonybied |
Ball really has been a disappointing signing so far hasn't he? I can't remember one game for us where he's stood out at all, in fact most games you barely seem to realise he's on the pitch at all. |  | | |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 22:52 - Nov 1 with 3567 views | Dubtractor |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 21:54 - Nov 1 by baxterbasics |
Wasn't dreadful - we've just been spoiled by a standard of football that was never going to be matched by todays XI
I thought Aluko still looks useful. Always been a fan though. Just doesn't have the legs for 90 mins. |
I disagree on Aluko tbh - thought he really struggled to impose himself, didn't have the legs to press, and his passing was often off. Looks a long way from the standard we need now. He does have lovely control though. | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 23:18 - Nov 1 with 3480 views | LankHenners |
Yeah was pretty uncompetitive really which was a shame. A lot has (rightly) been made of the whole squad being ready and able to step in but against a step up in quality it really showed that we had a lot of the 'b team' out there.
Most were pretty crap, thought Burgess was the stand out then Baggott came on and did equally as well. Tuanzebe looked liked someone who's been injured his whole life, certainly needs some more game time somewhere down the line.
As for the rest you can see why there are other players starting ahead of them regularly. Can't ignore the quality of opposition but Fulham got through the midfield and down the sides very easily all said and done. Apart from Jackson (and Clarke, though thought he was poor) we had a pretty slow team out there tonight and think that hindered us trying to make use of any scraps we got.
I know they stopped trying really toward the end but thought it was noticeable how we were able to get some more flickers of light around their box once Hirst and Hutchinson came on. Humphreys always very positive and keen to get stuck in and genuinely a very good header from Baggott for the goal. Other than that not a lot to say other than probably good not to have another game in December in the middle of a packed, tricky schedule.
Also, side note, no idea what the ref was doing for most the game. Didn't seem to have a clue on anything really. Any time in the first half we won the ball from behind or challenged a 50/50 resulted in a free kick for them but one of their players going through the man to get the ball was fine. Seemed to guess at quite a lot of other things as well, not that it made any difference to the game. |  |
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| Dubster - the first goal was a horror show on 23:23 - Nov 1 with 3437 views | unstableblue |
I mean WTF
Clarke our left back seemed to be playing right centre back… and Axel and Burgess seemed to get sucked towards the right wing.
Utterly bizarre.
Their right sided player basically had half the pitch free to go and score and Walton decided to come out to the edge of the box!
We’re so unused to this lack of shape and competency!!
Again, the best remedy is to go and SMASH Rooneys Brum. |  |
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| Here it is on 23:29 - Nov 1 with 3403 views | unstableblue |
| Dubster - the first goal was a horror show on 23:23 - Nov 1 by unstableblue |
I mean WTF
Clarke our left back seemed to be playing right centre back… and Axel and Burgess seemed to get sucked towards the right wing.
Utterly bizarre.
Their right sided player basically had half the pitch free to go and score and Walton decided to come out to the edge of the box!
We’re so unused to this lack of shape and competency!!
Again, the best remedy is to go and SMASH Rooneys Brum. |
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| Here it is on 07:13 - Nov 2 with 3168 views | Dubtractor |
Yep. Very easy to blame Clarke, but he was left trying to cover 3 positions as the Burgess and Tuanzebe had ended up horribly out of position. | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:25 - Nov 2 with 3134 views | Dubtractor |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 23:18 - Nov 1 by LankHenners |
Yeah was pretty uncompetitive really which was a shame. A lot has (rightly) been made of the whole squad being ready and able to step in but against a step up in quality it really showed that we had a lot of the 'b team' out there.
Most were pretty crap, thought Burgess was the stand out then Baggott came on and did equally as well. Tuanzebe looked liked someone who's been injured his whole life, certainly needs some more game time somewhere down the line.
As for the rest you can see why there are other players starting ahead of them regularly. Can't ignore the quality of opposition but Fulham got through the midfield and down the sides very easily all said and done. Apart from Jackson (and Clarke, though thought he was poor) we had a pretty slow team out there tonight and think that hindered us trying to make use of any scraps we got.
I know they stopped trying really toward the end but thought it was noticeable how we were able to get some more flickers of light around their box once Hirst and Hutchinson came on. Humphreys always very positive and keen to get stuck in and genuinely a very good header from Baggott for the goal. Other than that not a lot to say other than probably good not to have another game in December in the middle of a packed, tricky schedule.
Also, side note, no idea what the ref was doing for most the game. Didn't seem to have a clue on anything really. Any time in the first half we won the ball from behind or challenged a 50/50 resulted in a free kick for them but one of their players going through the man to get the ball was fine. Seemed to guess at quite a lot of other things as well, not that it made any difference to the game. |
Ha, ref was awful wasn't he? Had no impact on the result at all, but some of his decisions were bizarre. | |
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| Here it is on 07:38 - Nov 2 with 3062 views | Darth_Koont |
| Here it is on 07:13 - Nov 2 by Dubtractor |
Yep. Very easy to blame Clarke, but he was left trying to cover 3 positions as the Burgess and Tuanzebe had ended up horribly out of position. |
Tuanzebe was a bit too eager it seems as he was way up the pitch trying to force the game. That brought Burgess across. But still there was a lack of awareness of the space on the left from the others and I think Clarke in particular has to drop deeper at least.
Then Walton doesn’t compound the error by thinking he has to make a last-ditch interception on the edge of his box.
It was a poor goal to concede but from a completely new defence where the big mistake or high-risk gamble was Tuanzebe piling forward. We then needed to minimize the exposure after that but we didn’t. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:47 - Nov 2 with 3022 views | Steve_M |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 23:18 - Nov 1 by LankHenners |
Yeah was pretty uncompetitive really which was a shame. A lot has (rightly) been made of the whole squad being ready and able to step in but against a step up in quality it really showed that we had a lot of the 'b team' out there.
Most were pretty crap, thought Burgess was the stand out then Baggott came on and did equally as well. Tuanzebe looked liked someone who's been injured his whole life, certainly needs some more game time somewhere down the line.
As for the rest you can see why there are other players starting ahead of them regularly. Can't ignore the quality of opposition but Fulham got through the midfield and down the sides very easily all said and done. Apart from Jackson (and Clarke, though thought he was poor) we had a pretty slow team out there tonight and think that hindered us trying to make use of any scraps we got.
I know they stopped trying really toward the end but thought it was noticeable how we were able to get some more flickers of light around their box once Hirst and Hutchinson came on. Humphreys always very positive and keen to get stuck in and genuinely a very good header from Baggott for the goal. Other than that not a lot to say other than probably good not to have another game in December in the middle of a packed, tricky schedule.
Also, side note, no idea what the ref was doing for most the game. Didn't seem to have a clue on anything really. Any time in the first half we won the ball from behind or challenged a 50/50 resulted in a free kick for them but one of their players going through the man to get the ball was fine. Seemed to guess at quite a lot of other things as well, not that it made any difference to the game. |
The team selection looked to be all about protecting some of our key players, limiting Hirst to 30 minutes and resting Davis, Williams, Morsy and Luongo reflects where we are weakest as a squad, or perhaps most vulnerable to injuries.
It was telling that Jackson and Harness were, after Burgess, the only other starting players who looked remotely up to the pace of the game. They are the ones who've played regularly. I felt a bit for Clarke who hasn't played well this season and then had to play on the other side but Donaicen, Aluko and Ball were all so far off it that I'm not sure any of them will start for us again.
It highlights what was already known that, if we want to maintain a promotion challenge, we'll need to strengthen in January - striker, central midfielder and full back being top of that list.
And agree with you and Dubs on the ref, absolutely determined to give Fulham everything they asked for but let things go the other way. It would have been annoying had that made a difference. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 8:05]
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:50 - Nov 2 with 3005 views | DanTheMan |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:47 - Nov 2 by Steve_M |
The team selection looked to be all about protecting some of our key players, limiting Hirst to 30 minutes and resting Davis, Williams, Morsy and Luongo reflects where we are weakest as a squad, or perhaps most vulnerable to injuries.
It was telling that Jackson and Harness were, after Burgess, the only other starting players who looked remotely up to the pace of the game. They are the ones who've played regularly. I felt a bit for Clarke who hasn't played well this season and then had to play on the other side but Donaicen, Aluko and Ball were all so far off it that I'm not sure any of them will start for us again.
It highlights what was already known that, if we want to maintain a promotion challenge, we'll need to strengthen in January - striker, central midfielder and full back being top of that list.
And agree with you and Dubs on the ref, absolutely determined to give Fulham everything they asked for but let things go the other way. It would have been annoying had that made a difference. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 8:05]
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Central midfield should be the top priority. We need someone in the same mould as Morsy. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:05 - Nov 2 with 2966 views | GeoffSentence |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 23:18 - Nov 1 by LankHenners |
Yeah was pretty uncompetitive really which was a shame. A lot has (rightly) been made of the whole squad being ready and able to step in but against a step up in quality it really showed that we had a lot of the 'b team' out there.
Most were pretty crap, thought Burgess was the stand out then Baggott came on and did equally as well. Tuanzebe looked liked someone who's been injured his whole life, certainly needs some more game time somewhere down the line.
As for the rest you can see why there are other players starting ahead of them regularly. Can't ignore the quality of opposition but Fulham got through the midfield and down the sides very easily all said and done. Apart from Jackson (and Clarke, though thought he was poor) we had a pretty slow team out there tonight and think that hindered us trying to make use of any scraps we got.
I know they stopped trying really toward the end but thought it was noticeable how we were able to get some more flickers of light around their box once Hirst and Hutchinson came on. Humphreys always very positive and keen to get stuck in and genuinely a very good header from Baggott for the goal. Other than that not a lot to say other than probably good not to have another game in December in the middle of a packed, tricky schedule.
Also, side note, no idea what the ref was doing for most the game. Didn't seem to have a clue on anything really. Any time in the first half we won the ball from behind or challenged a 50/50 resulted in a free kick for them but one of their players going through the man to get the ball was fine. Seemed to guess at quite a lot of other things as well, not that it made any difference to the game. |
On the ref, how did he know to book Taylor? I know the challenge wasn't great, but it looked as if the ref was actually looking the other way at the time and couldn't have seen it. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:06 - Nov 2 with 2959 views | Steve_M |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:05 - Nov 2 by GeoffSentence |
On the ref, how did he know to book Taylor? I know the challenge wasn't great, but it looked as if the ref was actually looking the other way at the time and couldn't have seen it. |
It was the Harness one that I couldn't work out.
But on that one, having booked their player for demanding a yellow for Taylor he then just went "ok, then". | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:45 - Nov 2 with 2895 views | DinnernotTea |
God (McKenna) in fairness hasn't helped many of the players though.
Clarke is never a left back
Taylor is never a no.6
Tuanzebe shouldn't have been chucked in
Ball is never a starter, half decent in the last 10
Shocked Humphreys and Baggott didn't start
Surely we have a kid to blood at left back for this game?
Let's face it who cares. Like God says we cannot chase this trophy right now and this winter period is insane now for sheer number of games. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:45 - Nov 2 with 2896 views | Buhrer |
It wasn't too much fun but i do think dreadful is too strong. We had a disjointed side that had some defence at times against a better side, with a limp ref, but was uncreative and toothless. Missed Hirst, but thought wtf were we risking him for when he came on. Balls so bloody backwards and stalled every possible attack he was onvolved in. Tuanzebe looked off it, but you could see glimmers of a top level pro that reads the game well, and he will pick a creative pass out. Harness buzzed. Jackson always a threat but rarely producing a usable cross. Meh, fuk the cup, let's focus on going up. And winning the FA cup. |  | | |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 09:08 - Nov 2 with 2826 views | DanTheMan |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:06 - Nov 2 by Steve_M |
It was the Harness one that I couldn't work out.
But on that one, having booked their player for demanding a yellow for Taylor he then just went "ok, then". |
Harness one was bonkers, it was a small tug and they weren't on the break.
The commentator said they were "cracking down on it". Obviously not filtered down to the Championship yet! | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 09:08 - Nov 2 with 2824 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:47 - Nov 2 by Steve_M |
The team selection looked to be all about protecting some of our key players, limiting Hirst to 30 minutes and resting Davis, Williams, Morsy and Luongo reflects where we are weakest as a squad, or perhaps most vulnerable to injuries.
It was telling that Jackson and Harness were, after Burgess, the only other starting players who looked remotely up to the pace of the game. They are the ones who've played regularly. I felt a bit for Clarke who hasn't played well this season and then had to play on the other side but Donaicen, Aluko and Ball were all so far off it that I'm not sure any of them will start for us again.
It highlights what was already known that, if we want to maintain a promotion challenge, we'll need to strengthen in January - striker, central midfielder and full back being top of that list.
And agree with you and Dubs on the ref, absolutely determined to give Fulham everything they asked for but let things go the other way. It would have been annoying had that made a difference. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 8:05]
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Surely Aluko will drop out of the squad in January along with Evans? That will be two free spaces for us without needing to move anyone on.
I think a striker and central midfielder are fairly obvious. I think it is going to be hard to get someone capable in to be a deputy for Davis. Thought last night was a bit of a wasted opportunity in terms of seeing Humphreys play at LB. He seems to be the most 'like for like' we have for Davis. He did well when he switched to that role. Donacien is just miles off what we need now. | | | |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 09:58 - Nov 2 with 2758 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:47 - Nov 2 by Steve_M |
The team selection looked to be all about protecting some of our key players, limiting Hirst to 30 minutes and resting Davis, Williams, Morsy and Luongo reflects where we are weakest as a squad, or perhaps most vulnerable to injuries.
It was telling that Jackson and Harness were, after Burgess, the only other starting players who looked remotely up to the pace of the game. They are the ones who've played regularly. I felt a bit for Clarke who hasn't played well this season and then had to play on the other side but Donaicen, Aluko and Ball were all so far off it that I'm not sure any of them will start for us again.
It highlights what was already known that, if we want to maintain a promotion challenge, we'll need to strengthen in January - striker, central midfielder and full back being top of that list.
And agree with you and Dubs on the ref, absolutely determined to give Fulham everything they asked for but let things go the other way. It would have been annoying had that made a difference. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 8:05]
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I think the criticism of Ball and Donacien is a bit OTT imho. They won’t play against that level of player many times this season. They are fine as squad players this season, but, like Ladapo, they have a ceiling which means that as the Club looks to push on, they will be moved on. | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 10:02 - Nov 2 with 2738 views | GeoffSentence |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:06 - Nov 2 by Steve_M |
It was the Harness one that I couldn't work out.
But on that one, having booked their player for demanding a yellow for Taylor he then just went "ok, then". |
I couldn't work out the Harness one either, seemed to barely touch him. Maybe it was persistent fouling, but even that would have been harsh as it was only the second time he'd spoken to him.
Shortly after that he got cleaned out from behind and the ref late play go on.
He was utterly inconsistent, the ref that is, not Harness who was the pick of the satrting XI | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 10:05 - Nov 2 with 2707 views | FrimleyBlue |
I'm disappointed Humphreys didn't start. Feels like his development has been slowed down a bit, of course we trust the management team on this, but i thought we might see more of him this season. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 10:08 - Nov 2 with 2687 views | hype313 |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 10:05 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm disappointed Humphreys didn't start. Feels like his development has been slowed down a bit, of course we trust the management team on this, but i thought we might see more of him this season. |
Personally would've played him over Aluko, we know what Aluko can do or can't, would've been good to give Cam 90 against stiff opposition. |  |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 10:19 - Nov 2 with 2650 views | BseaBlue |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:50 - Nov 2 by DanTheMan |
Central midfield should be the top priority. We need someone in the same mould as Morsy. |
Spot on. I'm sure this will be a key piece of business in January, along with another 9. We just don't look like the same team without Morsy or Mass in the team.
Won't be easy though as it needs to be someone that can control a game and provide the same amount of drive. |  | | |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 10:38 - Nov 2 with 2550 views | Dubtractor |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 08:45 - Nov 2 by Buhrer |
It wasn't too much fun but i do think dreadful is too strong. We had a disjointed side that had some defence at times against a better side, with a limp ref, but was uncreative and toothless. Missed Hirst, but thought wtf were we risking him for when he came on. Balls so bloody backwards and stalled every possible attack he was onvolved in. Tuanzebe looked off it, but you could see glimmers of a top level pro that reads the game well, and he will pick a creative pass out. Harness buzzed. Jackson always a threat but rarely producing a usable cross. Meh, fuk the cup, let's focus on going up. And winning the FA cup. |
Dreadful maybe a bit strong, but the fact you've then listed a load of things that we struggled with doesn't show that it was pretty poor.
I'm genuinely pretty chilled about it, we won't ever field that 11 in the league, and there weren't any huge surprises really. I should add that I think keeping all the key players rested was the right thing to do.
As has been mentioned already, another strong CM and a number 9 to compete with Hirst need to be the number one targets in January. If we were mid table I don't think I'd be so worried about strengthening in January, but we've put ourselves in a hell of a strong position and need to give ourselves the best chance. | |
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| Result doesn't remotely matter on 11:46 - Nov 2 with 2438 views | LankHenners |
| Result doesn't remotely matter on 07:47 - Nov 2 by Steve_M |
The team selection looked to be all about protecting some of our key players, limiting Hirst to 30 minutes and resting Davis, Williams, Morsy and Luongo reflects where we are weakest as a squad, or perhaps most vulnerable to injuries.
It was telling that Jackson and Harness were, after Burgess, the only other starting players who looked remotely up to the pace of the game. They are the ones who've played regularly. I felt a bit for Clarke who hasn't played well this season and then had to play on the other side but Donaicen, Aluko and Ball were all so far off it that I'm not sure any of them will start for us again.
It highlights what was already known that, if we want to maintain a promotion challenge, we'll need to strengthen in January - striker, central midfielder and full back being top of that list.
And agree with you and Dubs on the ref, absolutely determined to give Fulham everything they asked for but let things go the other way. It would have been annoying had that made a difference. [Post edited 2 Nov 2023 8:05]
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We already knew it but last night showed up how influential Davis is on that left hand side. One simple thing is him being left footed means he can open his body up and play down the line whereas Clarke's natural instinct to cut inside ran him into trouble quite a lot. As you say not really his fault that he was out of position last night but taking his season as a whole, it's not been hard for Williams to usurp him as the first choice RB.
Agree on Harness and Jackson, not convinced they played particularly well (although in fairness to them Fulham made it very difficult to get anything going) but certainly looked brighter and much less rusty than most of the rest. Slightly disappointed in Taylor but can give him a bit of slack as the Fulham midfield were so dominant and when he's played in league matches he's shown he can hang.
Felt a bit sorry for Ladapo in that I don't think he did much wrong but just couldn't get in the game and when Hirst came on you could see the difference in quality. Like you say it's a position we need to add to in January, even if McKenna's able to get a tune out of Scarlett by then. | |
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