| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so 13:12 - Dec 11 with 11634 views | textbackup |
Does Morsy where the rainbow armband?
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 20:52 - Dec 11 with 1648 views | cressi |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 15:54 - Dec 11 by orfordbuoy |
that is such a weak response.
All efforts to raise awareness for a repressed community are valid. We are taliking about one day a year here - not anything life-changing.
We don't want to upset a muslim? Seriously? The well-being of the wider community and raising their issues should be binned because we don't want to upset a muslim?
And your last paragraph is irrelevant. Morsy represents the club, town and the local ommunity - he could go along with the collective effort (he is not refusing for corporate reasons as someone bizarrely mentioned above). I don't know why you parallel yourself with him. |
I don't care all I care is Sam represented our club as a professional as he does. I have no interest in the rainbow thing womens football. I generally find women football commentators awful except for a couple it's all political correctness gone mad.
If two men, women wish to be together good luck to them I wish them every happiness and treat them like any couple.
And not particularly keen on women's boxing but hi ho |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 20:57 - Dec 11 with 1618 views | waveneyblue |
To be honest, it's pretty well balanced with the vast majority (in my opinion) correctly saying it's entirely his own personal choice.
Nobody should be made to support something against their wishes or beliefs. [Post edited 11 Dec 2023 21:01]
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:02 - Dec 11 with 1599 views | BigCommon |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 15:54 - Dec 11 by orfordbuoy |
that is such a weak response.
All efforts to raise awareness for a repressed community are valid. We are taliking about one day a year here - not anything life-changing.
We don't want to upset a muslim? Seriously? The well-being of the wider community and raising their issues should be binned because we don't want to upset a muslim?
And your last paragraph is irrelevant. Morsy represents the club, town and the local ommunity - he could go along with the collective effort (he is not refusing for corporate reasons as someone bizarrely mentioned above). I don't know why you parallel yourself with him. |
In what way is it a repressed community any more than any other community? I've seen Pride march, turn into Pride festival, turn into Pride week, and nowadays Pride month. In the last 15 years. We live in an incredibly inclusive society in UK. Even if we don't all see eye to eye 100% of the time.. We tolerate each other. Doesn't mean we have to "be" each other..
Threads like this should be posted on the General Board, imo. It starts to go beyond Football ...
Morsy is a footballer, he plays football, end of.. . |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 with 1559 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 20:57 - Dec 11 by waveneyblue |
To be honest, it's pretty well balanced with the vast majority (in my opinion) correctly saying it's entirely his own personal choice.
Nobody should be made to support something against their wishes or beliefs. [Post edited 11 Dec 2023 21:01]
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Does that include baking a cake?
Can't help but feel that if Sam was an evangelical Christian playing for any other club, a lot of people's attitude on here would be completely different. |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 with 1552 views | cressi |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:02 - Dec 11 by BigCommon |
In what way is it a repressed community any more than any other community? I've seen Pride march, turn into Pride festival, turn into Pride week, and nowadays Pride month. In the last 15 years. We live in an incredibly inclusive society in UK. Even if we don't all see eye to eye 100% of the time.. We tolerate each other. Doesn't mean we have to "be" each other..
Threads like this should be posted on the General Board, imo. It starts to go beyond Football ...
Morsy is a footballer, he plays football, end of.. . |
Exactly as I said I don't care what people do it's gone mad, at one point you almost had to be gay to be on tv as a comedian longs ur funny who cares. I don't need it stuffed down my throat everyday. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:30 - Dec 11 with 1536 views | waveneyblue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Does that include baking a cake?
Can't help but feel that if Sam was an evangelical Christian playing for any other club, a lot of people's attitude on here would be completely different. |
Depends if its a Rainbow layer cake I guess.
I think everything has gone crazy. It used to be show support to a cause/belief that's personal to you. Now people get offended if you don't want to show support when they decide you should.
All a bit messed up tbh. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:34 - Dec 11 with 1527 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 by cressi |
Exactly as I said I don't care what people do it's gone mad, at one point you almost had to be gay to be on tv as a comedian longs ur funny who cares. I don't need it stuffed down my throat everyday. |
There are literally hundreds of straight comedians on TV. i would imagine the number of gay comedians compared with straight is pretty much the same ratio as society in general.
I'm not sure why society's diverse culture being represented in mainstream entertainment frightens or annoys people so much. [Post edited 11 Dec 2023 21:35]
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:40 - Dec 11 with 1516 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:30 - Dec 11 by waveneyblue |
Depends if its a Rainbow layer cake I guess.
I think everything has gone crazy. It used to be show support to a cause/belief that's personal to you. Now people get offended if you don't want to show support when they decide you should.
All a bit messed up tbh. |
It's not messed up. Gay people were a persecuted minority for many years. In my lifetime you could be imprisoned for being homosexual. Gay people were the butt of jokes fir years. And that was acceptable.
Just like minority races who have also been discriminated against or persecuted in this country for centuries, I don't see setting aside a week or a month to celebrate their identity is a big deal for people.
I would imagine that the day when black history is taught routinely as part of the curriculum and gay people are aren't seen as different to the norm, we won't have need of a black history onth or a gay pride week. | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:41 - Dec 11 with 1513 views | lizzibee |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 20:57 - Dec 11 by waveneyblue |
To be honest, it's pretty well balanced with the vast majority (in my opinion) correctly saying it's entirely his own personal choice.
Nobody should be made to support something against their wishes or beliefs. [Post edited 11 Dec 2023 21:01]
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Some sensible people - less so on the thread about the coach welcome - some real party animals there | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:46 - Dec 11 with 1501 views | orfordbuoy |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:02 - Dec 11 by BigCommon |
In what way is it a repressed community any more than any other community? I've seen Pride march, turn into Pride festival, turn into Pride week, and nowadays Pride month. In the last 15 years. We live in an incredibly inclusive society in UK. Even if we don't all see eye to eye 100% of the time.. We tolerate each other. Doesn't mean we have to "be" each other..
Threads like this should be posted on the General Board, imo. It starts to go beyond Football ...
Morsy is a footballer, he plays football, end of.. . |
OK. I've sat back and watched whilst being pulverised for suggesting Morsy should - on this one occasion - in the name of the club, the town and local community, and not his religious beliefs wear the arm band. It's a forum I expected debate , not a lynching.
You talk about an inclusive society. We'll we are getting there because most of us are tolerant and inclusive. In football, however, we certainly aren't getting there and Morsy - by opting out - is not showing tolerance and inclusivity.
You suggested in a previous Morsy represented himself. Quite frankly - that's ridiculous. He represents the whole ITFC community - yet he refuses to openly represent one part of it ... and in sport it would so much to that community.
I shouldn't have to keep saying this, but no one doubts his ability on the field.
Got to say I'm pretty shocked by about half the responses and down arrows. I just can't think that this thread reflects well on ... us all really. This is not my fight, so on saddend note I'll bail out and let you hit the down arrow and express your outrage in the comments. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:48 - Dec 11 with 1495 views | Blueschev |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 20:52 - Dec 11 by cressi |
I don't care all I care is Sam represented our club as a professional as he does. I have no interest in the rainbow thing womens football. I generally find women football commentators awful except for a couple it's all political correctness gone mad.
If two men, women wish to be together good luck to them I wish them every happiness and treat them like any couple.
And not particularly keen on women's boxing but hi ho |
What does women’s football/ commentary/ boxing have to do with it? |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 22:00 - Dec 11 with 1471 views | BarcaBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 by cressi |
Exactly as I said I don't care what people do it's gone mad, at one point you almost had to be gay to be on tv as a comedian longs ur funny who cares. I don't need it stuffed down my throat everyday. |
Nothing is being stuffed down your throat every day, is it? |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 22:01 - Dec 11 with 1468 views | Blueschev |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Does that include baking a cake?
Can't help but feel that if Sam was an evangelical Christian playing for any other club, a lot of people's attitude on here would be completely different. |
You’re probably right, but they’d still be wrong. These people are footballers with various views right or wrong. If I was a player I’d happily wear the armband as it’s a cause I support. But I refuse the second I felt it was an obligation. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 22:04 - Dec 11 with 1464 views | BarcaBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 14:53 - Dec 11 by BigCommon |
He's contracted to play football for Ipswich Town. He fulfills his contract admirably, imo.
Anything else is an aside, and down to the individual. And nothing to do with football.
If he feels better to just stay out of it, and carry on playing a very important role on the pitch, as per his contract. Then that's his decision. And I won't judge him on that. |
How about assaulting him as per the Rubiales thread you commented on. You seemed quite happy to ignore his choice on that. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 22:36 - Dec 11 with 1409 views | waveneyblue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:40 - Dec 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not messed up. Gay people were a persecuted minority for many years. In my lifetime you could be imprisoned for being homosexual. Gay people were the butt of jokes fir years. And that was acceptable.
Just like minority races who have also been discriminated against or persecuted in this country for centuries, I don't see setting aside a week or a month to celebrate their identity is a big deal for people.
I would imagine that the day when black history is taught routinely as part of the curriculum and gay people are aren't seen as different to the norm, we won't have need of a black history onth or a gay pride week. |
But you are talking about a different era. I'm guessing we are a similar age.
The vast majority are now more educated, more tolerant and are happy to just let everybody get along. The ones who aren't are certainly not going to be swayed by a footballer in a rainbow armband or having a week or month celebrating it.
Deciding what others should think and how they should act irrespective of beliefs is messed up I'm afraid. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 00:01 - Dec 12 with 1336 views | Reus30 |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:46 - Dec 11 by orfordbuoy |
OK. I've sat back and watched whilst being pulverised for suggesting Morsy should - on this one occasion - in the name of the club, the town and local community, and not his religious beliefs wear the arm band. It's a forum I expected debate , not a lynching.
You talk about an inclusive society. We'll we are getting there because most of us are tolerant and inclusive. In football, however, we certainly aren't getting there and Morsy - by opting out - is not showing tolerance and inclusivity.
You suggested in a previous Morsy represented himself. Quite frankly - that's ridiculous. He represents the whole ITFC community - yet he refuses to openly represent one part of it ... and in sport it would so much to that community.
I shouldn't have to keep saying this, but no one doubts his ability on the field.
Got to say I'm pretty shocked by about half the responses and down arrows. I just can't think that this thread reflects well on ... us all really. This is not my fight, so on saddend note I'll bail out and let you hit the down arrow and express your outrage in the comments. |
There was debate, certainly from my end until you started calling my points weak and irrelevant. I still came back and provided a sharp yet detailed response but you essentially had doubled down on your point, failed to address lots of other points people have raised and now essentially thrown your toys out there pram about downarrows as if that's the currency we should all live by.
You're entitled to your opinion and I understand it as does pretty much everyone on here. Just because some don't agree with you, it doesn't make us GB news watching, daily mail reading homophobes.
We are a million times more inclusive than 20 years ago in football, I don't even think homophobia is as much as an issue now, it's just normal (as it ruddy should be). Yes, we have issues with race and discrimination and other bits but ITFC as a club and community do a fantastic job, I think I'm right in saying it's does very well in community polls but maybe I dreamed it.
I respect Sam for not wearing the armband. The question I would pose to you is, if your job required you to wear an item of clothing that you did not wish to as it contradicted your personal code (or however you want to phrase that) would you wear it?
I suspect, most people would do what Sam has done and remain professional but decline. It's such a non-issue. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 0:08]
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 00:04 - Dec 12 with 1332 views | Reus30 |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 16:17 - Dec 11 by NedPlimpton |
So if he wasn't smashing it on the pitch, what then?
If we didn't all think Morsy was an exceptional player and captain I think we'd see some very different responses to this thread |
He would be forced to confront a thousand Willie's until he wears the armband....
The simple answer is if he wasn't smashing on the pitch, he still wouldn't be wearing an armband because he won't be playing. So the armband is still redundant | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 00:15 - Dec 12 with 1319 views | BigCommon |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 22:04 - Dec 11 by BarcaBlue |
How about assaulting him as per the Rubiales thread you commented on. You seemed quite happy to ignore his choice on that. |
What's your point?
Are you saying we should force a player to do something against their will? Or we shouldn't? | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 00:26 - Dec 12 with 1298 views | J2BLUE |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Does that include baking a cake?
Can't help but feel that if Sam was an evangelical Christian playing for any other club, a lot of people's attitude on here would be completely different. |
It's a bit like wearing a poppy. It only has meaning if there is a choice. |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:04 - Dec 12 with 1170 views | Leaky |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 16:01 - Dec 11 by itfcjoe |
Interesting how much criticism Kate Forbes got re her views on same-sex marriage etc in the SNP leadership election, and before that Tim Farron as Lib Dem leader, compared to say Humza Yusuf who had missed the key gay marriage vote as well.
It would worry me if in what I'd consider a liberal country, we give too much respect to parts of a religion which are illiberal, it's a slippery slope - and there should be pressure put on high profile Muslims in this regard. |
I'm sorry why should he be pressured to conform to something he does or doesn't agree with. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:14 - Dec 12 with 1158 views | chicoazul |
Lots of who cares, I don’t care, it’s irrelevant, let him do what he wants, in this thread. Who could have guessed white middle class office working comfortably off TWTD doesn’t care about the promotion of social justice? |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:30 - Dec 12 with 1139 views | RobTheMonk |
I see no problem with it. He doesn't want to wear it, doesn't make a big deal about it, so let's just move on with our lives. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:44 - Dec 12 with 1110 views | Buhrer |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 00:26 - Dec 12 by J2BLUE |
It's a bit like wearing a poppy. It only has meaning if there is a choice. |
If our captain chooses not to wear it then it certainly has meaning, with more or less importance to us all as can be gathered from the thread.
What is the meaning of the captain of ITFC choosing to not wear it, for ITFC members of LGBTQ+ community? Is it interpreted as positive or negative? |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 08:11 - Dec 12 with 1069 views | Horsham |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 21:22 - Dec 11 by cressi |
Exactly as I said I don't care what people do it's gone mad, at one point you almost had to be gay to be on tv as a comedian longs ur funny who cares. I don't need it stuffed down my throat everyday. |
I don’t mind gays unless they ram it down my throat. |  | | |
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