| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so 13:12 - Dec 11 with 11638 views | textbackup |
Does Morsy where the rainbow armband?
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 08:30 - Dec 12 with 1610 views | itfcjoe |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:04 - Dec 12 by Leaky |
I'm sorry why should he be pressured to conform to something he does or doesn't agree with. |
Because it should be football, as one voice, showing itself to be a welcoming place for that community. If a young player at Ipswich was gay, before we even think about fans and the wider community, how would they feel now knowing that the captain of the club doesn't support them - because choosing to not wear it is showing that you don't support it. Would you think it would make them more or less likely to come out?
The club, and the powers that be, should be educating him on it and why it is important and why it is the right thing to do. |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 09:52 - Dec 12 with 1504 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 00:26 - Dec 12 by J2BLUE |
It's a bit like wearing a poppy. It only has meaning if there is a choice. |
There should always be a choice. After all. we are not living under fascism.
That said, these choices reflect on a person. Somebody could chose not to wear a poppy because they believe that it glorifies war (not my belief) or that they are from a community that has suffered under certain British military campaigns.
Choosing not to wear a rainbow armband however, is a statement that you do not support LGBTQ+ inclusivity. |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:06 - Dec 12 with 1468 views | RobTheMonk |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 09:52 - Dec 12 by GlasgowBlue |
There should always be a choice. After all. we are not living under fascism.
That said, these choices reflect on a person. Somebody could chose not to wear a poppy because they believe that it glorifies war (not my belief) or that they are from a community that has suffered under certain British military campaigns.
Choosing not to wear a rainbow armband however, is a statement that you do not support LGBTQ+ inclusivity. |
There's an element of a muslim player wearing a rainbow band and then being ostracised themselves from their community (and potentially family) which is the very thing that the rainbow band is trying to avoid.
There should always be a choice with these things and not taking part without backlash should be a viable option. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:07 - Dec 12 with 1465 views | NthQldITFC |
We're trailing the Oink'Un post count on this by 20 as I type (ITFC 52 v 72 NCFC). |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:08 - Dec 12 with 1460 views | BuffaloBill |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:14 - Dec 12 by chicoazul |
Lots of who cares, I don’t care, it’s irrelevant, let him do what he wants, in this thread. Who could have guessed white middle class office working comfortably off TWTD doesn’t care about the promotion of social justice? |
So predictable 😴 |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:19 - Dec 12 with 1417 views | leitrimblue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:14 - Dec 12 by chicoazul |
Lots of who cares, I don’t care, it’s irrelevant, let him do what he wants, in this thread. Who could have guessed white middle class office working comfortably off TWTD doesn’t care about the promotion of social justice? |
Feck1n Commie  |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:35 - Dec 12 with 1395 views | Alberto_the_frog |
Is there supposed to be a special day for wearing this, then? I had no idea and couldn't care less. If someone is homosexual and dislikes religions because they say It's a sin, That's their business and doesn't interest me. Similarly if someone is religious and dislikes homosexuality because they believe it is wrong. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:36 - Dec 12 with 1385 views | rkc123 |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 13:24 - Dec 11 by itfcjoe |
El Mizouni had been captaining Orient but didn't for the last game as wouldn't wear it.
Morsy didn't last year so assume he won't again now |
I feel like someone else wearing the armband for the game, who is happy to show their support, is the right course of action. It would show the club is committed to the message of inclusivity, and support the Ipswich LBGTQ+ fans and the wider community, while not putting Sam in a position that he is uncomfortable with. Morsy would still be a leader on the pitch, he doesn't need an armband.
I obviously don't know Sam personally, but from everything I have ever seen or heard of him I would imagine he has no ill feeling to anyone based on their sexuality, race etc, but as others have said I think it is important to consider that what seems like a small gesture of support for most, can put players from certain religions/cultures in a difficult position. |  | | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:40 - Dec 12 with 1363 views | rkc123 |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:35 - Dec 12 by Alberto_the_frog |
Is there supposed to be a special day for wearing this, then? I had no idea and couldn't care less. If someone is homosexual and dislikes religions because they say It's a sin, That's their business and doesn't interest me. Similarly if someone is religious and dislikes homosexuality because they believe it is wrong. |
Well yes but I would say that a person who is homosexual would be justified in disliking religions as historically they have been persecuted by them, and many gay people will likely have been directly mistreated at some point in their life by people due to their religious beliefs. A religious person has no reason to dislike someone just for being gay, other than the fact they read it in a book. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:51 - Dec 12 with 1322 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:40 - Dec 12 by rkc123 |
Well yes but I would say that a person who is homosexual would be justified in disliking religions as historically they have been persecuted by them, and many gay people will likely have been directly mistreated at some point in their life by people due to their religious beliefs. A religious person has no reason to dislike someone just for being gay, other than the fact they read it in a book. |
The caveat I would add to that is that I have not heard any Christians express a dislike of an actual person because of that, although I'm sure some do, rather saying that they love the sinner but hate the sin. I still prefer to stay out of it, though. Try to love everyone. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:26 - Dec 12 with 1269 views | BigCommon |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 07:44 - Dec 12 by Buhrer |
If our captain chooses not to wear it then it certainly has meaning, with more or less importance to us all as can be gathered from the thread.
What is the meaning of the captain of ITFC choosing to not wear it, for ITFC members of LGBTQ+ community? Is it interpreted as positive or negative? |
That meaning being "freedom of choice" which is positive..... That's how most people interpret it.. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:38 - Dec 12 with 1242 views | BigCommon |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 08:30 - Dec 12 by itfcjoe |
Because it should be football, as one voice, showing itself to be a welcoming place for that community. If a young player at Ipswich was gay, before we even think about fans and the wider community, how would they feel now knowing that the captain of the club doesn't support them - because choosing to not wear it is showing that you don't support it. Would you think it would make them more or less likely to come out?
The club, and the powers that be, should be educating him on it and why it is important and why it is the right thing to do. |
You make it sound like some kind of "final solution" Joe...
Diversity "and" Unity are polar opposites..
What happened to a World where people could just agree to disagree. Without pushing anyone to the extreme.. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:47 - Dec 12 with 1215 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I wonder why some want to stir up trouble for the club when we're doing so well.
As I've said before, some of you seem to not be able to handle success. |  |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:53 - Dec 12 with 1196 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 15:54 - Dec 11 by orfordbuoy |
that is such a weak response.
All efforts to raise awareness for a repressed community are valid. We are taliking about one day a year here - not anything life-changing.
We don't want to upset a muslim? Seriously? The well-being of the wider community and raising their issues should be binned because we don't want to upset a muslim?
And your last paragraph is irrelevant. Morsy represents the club, town and the local ommunity - he could go along with the collective effort (he is not refusing for corporate reasons as someone bizarrely mentioned above). I don't know why you parallel yourself with him. |
"All efforts to raise awareness for a repressed community are valid" - absolutely, and it's absolutely fine if you want to remain dignified and silent on the issue too. | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:55 - Dec 12 with 1198 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:47 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wonder why some want to stir up trouble for the club when we're doing so well.
As I've said before, some of you seem to not be able to handle success. |
Isn't that attitude throwing a minority community under the bus just so we don't upset the apple cart? Haven't we seen this attitude on here before? | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:56 - Dec 12 with 1181 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 22:36 - Dec 11 by waveneyblue |
But you are talking about a different era. I'm guessing we are a similar age.
The vast majority are now more educated, more tolerant and are happy to just let everybody get along. The ones who aren't are certainly not going to be swayed by a footballer in a rainbow armband or having a week or month celebrating it.
Deciding what others should think and how they should act irrespective of beliefs is messed up I'm afraid. |
If you think there's no longer any prejudice against the LGBTQIA+ community then you are sadly ignorant.
However, whether one Championship footballer wears an armband or not won't make a jot of difference. | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:59 - Dec 12 with 1174 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:55 - Dec 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Isn't that attitude throwing a minority community under the bus just so we don't upset the apple cart? Haven't we seen this attitude on here before? |
Given that plenty of other players (if not all) will be wearing it, your statement that we're "throwing a minority community under the bus" is complete hyperbole. | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:02 - Dec 12 with 1162 views | Leaky |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 10:08 - Dec 12 by BuffaloBill |
So predictable 😴 |
What about a white working tradesman, as a distinction from your your white middle class office worker, or is that the only group of people you associate with on a football forum.
Sorry replied to the wrong post [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 12:47]
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:22 - Dec 12 with 1109 views | itfcjoe |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:56 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If you think there's no longer any prejudice against the LGBTQIA+ community then you are sadly ignorant.
However, whether one Championship footballer wears an armband or not won't make a jot of difference. |
Do you think it would make a 'jot of difference' to a gay ITFC fan, or a player at the club?
People are talking about it as a 'performative gesture' but for me if 23 captains are wearing it, and one isn't, then that is the performative gesture. | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:23 - Dec 12 with 1100 views | BarcaBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:59 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Given that plenty of other players (if not all) will be wearing it, your statement that we're "throwing a minority community under the bus" is complete hyperbole. |
I's the captain's armband, we only have one captain. Being the captain of the team and club by not wearing it there is no message we are all inclusive, and supportive of the LBTQ+ community. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:27 - Dec 12 with 1055 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:59 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Given that plenty of other players (if not all) will be wearing it, your statement that we're "throwing a minority community under the bus" is complete hyperbole. |
I didn't say we're. I was referring to your attitude. We are playing well and on the up so let's not upset the apple cart. I think that is wrong mate. | |
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| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:32 - Dec 12 with 1033 views | itfc48 |
We definitely want to eradicate hate and marginalisation of groups from society however at the same time people should be able to quietly disagree with the beliefs of others.
This campaign feels a bit like the taking-the-knee gesture where it's a lazy attempt from the authorities to back a group without doing anything really meaningful to improve the situation. Yes there is a bit of education but there's a hell of a lot more they could and should be doing to make the game more inclusive starting with proper punishment for those who actively show hate to the various groups. For example, the punishments for racist chanting are still laughable. | | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:42 - Dec 12 with 1004 views | orfordbuoy |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:32 - Dec 12 by itfc48 |
We definitely want to eradicate hate and marginalisation of groups from society however at the same time people should be able to quietly disagree with the beliefs of others.
This campaign feels a bit like the taking-the-knee gesture where it's a lazy attempt from the authorities to back a group without doing anything really meaningful to improve the situation. Yes there is a bit of education but there's a hell of a lot more they could and should be doing to make the game more inclusive starting with proper punishment for those who actively show hate to the various groups. For example, the punishments for racist chanting are still laughable. |
Why would anyone, especially a captain of a football club - and therefore a role model for eveyone connected to the club - 'disagree with the beliefs of others' when those beliefs are simply equality and acceptance?
We can't let the intolerant preach to the tolerant. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:56 - Dec 12 with 954 views | MattinLondon |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 11:56 - Dec 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If you think there's no longer any prejudice against the LGBTQIA+ community then you are sadly ignorant.
However, whether one Championship footballer wears an armband or not won't make a jot of difference. |
One an individual basis I think I disagree with your last paragraph but you’re probably right in the context of society overall.
Over the years at ITFC, there statistically must have been players who have been gay. If a young player was struggling to come to terms with their sexuality then seeing a senior player refusing to wear the rainbow armband must rest uneasy in their mind. If they don’t want to wear an armband that is basically a sign for equality then you’ll have to wonder how they’ll react if a player did ‘come out’.
I don’t know SM, I don’t know why he doesn’t wear it. But I’m a very micro sense I think it does matter. |  | | |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 13:00 - Dec 12 with 944 views | blueasfook |
| Off the back of the Sheff Utd captain not doing so on 12:23 - Dec 12 by BarcaBlue |
I's the captain's armband, we only have one captain. Being the captain of the team and club by not wearing it there is no message we are all inclusive, and supportive of the LBTQ+ community. |
Morsy is a muslim. Islamic religion forbids homosexual relationships.
Should he be forced to wear an LBGTQ armband representing something that goes against his religious beliefs? Whose rights take precedence here? |  |
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