| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) 13:11 - Jan 9 with 3567 views | factual_blue |
It should be given to Alan Bates. [Post edited 9 Jan 13:14]
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:15 - Jan 9 with 2243 views | NthQldITFC |
It'll probably get lost in the post. |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:23 - Jan 9 with 2192 views | giant_stow |
Just a shame she couldn't show that decency earlier. |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:32 - Jan 9 with 2151 views | factual_blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:15 - Jan 9 by NthQldITFC |
It'll probably get lost in the post. |
Mail deliveries are the responsibility of the Royal Mail, not the Post Office. Not that they're any better.
#justbeingpicky | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:33 - Jan 9 with 2141 views | blueasfook |
Good news. Now Alan can get the OBE he deserves. |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:34 - Jan 9 with 2136 views | Ryorry |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:23 - Jan 9 by giant_stow |
Just a shame she couldn't show that decency earlier. |
I wouldn’t call it ‘decency” when she’s only been shamed into doing it by the exposure of the TV drama. |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:39 - Jan 9 with 2105 views | Freddies_Ears |
I'd like to see the CBE given to Ian Hislop. Private Eye has covered this story brilliantly and relentlessly for years. |  | | |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:43 - Jan 9 with 2075 views | giant_stow |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:34 - Jan 9 by Ryorry |
I wouldn’t call it ‘decency” when she’s only been shamed into doing it by the exposure of the TV drama. |
Thats fair, but at least she didn't try to cling on. | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:58 - Jan 9 with 2015 views | JohnTy |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:43 - Jan 9 by giant_stow |
Thats fair, but at least she didn't try to cling on. |
I would be more impressed if she returned the £400,000 payoff she got from the Post Office. |  | | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:05 - Jan 9 with 1988 views | factual_blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:39 - Jan 9 by Freddies_Ears |
I'd like to see the CBE given to Ian Hislop. Private Eye has covered this story brilliantly and relentlessly for years. |
He'd turn any honour down, I'm sure. Computer Weekly first exposed the scandal. | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:10 - Jan 9 with 1960 views | factual_blue |
Update: handing it back doesn't revoke the honour as only the monarch can do that.
So is she still a CBE, but without the medal? | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:19 - Jan 9 with 1903 views | EdwardStone |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:39 - Jan 9 by Freddies_Ears |
I'd like to see the CBE given to Ian Hislop. Private Eye has covered this story brilliantly and relentlessly for years. |
I think Mr H deserves a great deal more than CBE
He seems a very decent sort of bloke; clever, wise and with a functioning moral compass
Very least I suggest Prime Minister for Life
Or President if we can scrap off Royal Family |  | | |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:22 - Jan 9 with 1890 views | factual_blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:58 - Jan 9 by JohnTy |
I would be more impressed if she returned the £400,000 payoff she got from the Post Office. |
£44k for each year she was at the Post Office.
The average net earnings of a sub-postmaster is around £31.5k | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:28 - Jan 9 with 1852 views | blueasfook |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 13:58 - Jan 9 by JohnTy |
I would be more impressed if she returned the £400,000 payoff she got from the Post Office. |
I wouldn't be surprised if she's still getting other kickbacks too. Probably has a large chunk of shares. | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:30 - Jan 9 with 1851 views | blueasfook |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:10 - Jan 9 by factual_blue |
Update: handing it back doesn't revoke the honour as only the monarch can do that.
So is she still a CBE, but without the medal? |
Yes but from what I understand it should be a formality for it to be revoked by the king. It will go before the forfeiture committee who will approve and then Charlie boy signs it off. | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:11 - Jan 9 with 1722 views | factual_blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:19 - Jan 9 by EdwardStone |
I think Mr H deserves a great deal more than CBE
He seems a very decent sort of bloke; clever, wise and with a functioning moral compass
Very least I suggest Prime Minister for Life
Or President if we can scrap off Royal Family |
I'm still very much attached to the idea of becoming part of Denmark, with the equally wise Sandi Toskvig as Governor General.
Hislop could still be Prime Minister. | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:20 - Jan 9 with 1685 views | Swansea_Blue |
Or swapped for a jail sentence |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:30 - Jan 9 with 1668 views | MattinLondon |
As she actually been found guilty of wrongdoing in a court? Or proven without doubt that she deliberately decided to allow innocent people to go to prison? |  | | |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:33 - Jan 9 with 1653 views | Swansea_Blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:30 - Jan 9 by MattinLondon |
As she actually been found guilty of wrongdoing in a court? Or proven without doubt that she deliberately decided to allow innocent people to go to prison? |
That all comes after we all judge her guilty 
It's makes for pretty damning reading in terms of what she and the PO knew at the time and withheld from the courts/judges. But I've no idea how anyone goes about addressing that now and formally charging her (and with what). | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:47 - Jan 9 with 1633 views | factual_blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:30 - Jan 9 by MattinLondon |
As she actually been found guilty of wrongdoing in a court? Or proven without doubt that she deliberately decided to allow innocent people to go to prison? |
None of which has anything to do with returning a CBE. She was basically threatened by the PM.
And as regards wrongdoing, she patently misled or lied to a Parliamentary Select Committee. | |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:52 - Jan 9 with 1614 views | ford6600 |
The pecking order is CBE then down to OBE then lowest of these three is MBE...
They all come beneath Knighthoods/Damehoods
which are thrown out like confetti by politicians to their lackeys or donors.
Alan Bates deserves far more than CBE, but isn't part of the establishment, he deserves a Life Peerage
Obscene to remember that Johnson gave a c30yo PA a Peerage! Her advice doesn't seem to have prevented partygate! | | | |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:57 - Jan 9 with 1600 views | bluelagos |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:30 - Jan 9 by MattinLondon |
As she actually been found guilty of wrongdoing in a court? Or proven without doubt that she deliberately decided to allow innocent people to go to prison? |
Since when have we gone after those in positions of authority for like...anything?
She has lied and misled MPs on numerous occasions and her employees and legal team did exactly that in numerous criminal court cases thus causing numerous innocent people to spend time in jail and in some cases to commit suicide.
In any decent society she would we held to account through the legal system for her actions. But we all know she won't be - cos that's not how it works.
And she'll be forever able to hide behind the fact she has never been found guilty of anything, like Duckenfield or Saville before her.
Doesn't mean she's not a piece of sh1t though - sometimes all the victims are left with is a TV show and public opinion.
I strongly suspect the only people to taste prison food will be the subpostmasters. British justice for you. |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 16:02 - Jan 9 with 1582 views | MattinLondon |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:47 - Jan 9 by factual_blue |
None of which has anything to do with returning a CBE. She was basically threatened by the PM.
And as regards wrongdoing, she patently misled or lied to a Parliamentary Select Committee. |
But has a court etc found her guilty of lying or deliberately allowing innocent people to go to prison by not disclosing information?
Based on what I’ve read she has a lot to answer for - but that accountability should be in a court of law rather than public opinion. | | | |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 16:04 - Jan 9 with 1579 views | MattinLondon |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 14:19 - Jan 9 by EdwardStone |
I think Mr H deserves a great deal more than CBE
He seems a very decent sort of bloke; clever, wise and with a functioning moral compass
Very least I suggest Prime Minister for Life
Or President if we can scrap off Royal Family |
He’s probably upset too many influential people to be awarded a honour such as a CBE. | | | |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 16:04 - Jan 9 with 1578 views | DanTheMan |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:52 - Jan 9 by ford6600 |
The pecking order is CBE then down to OBE then lowest of these three is MBE...
They all come beneath Knighthoods/Damehoods
which are thrown out like confetti by politicians to their lackeys or donors.
Alan Bates deserves far more than CBE, but isn't part of the establishment, he deserves a Life Peerage
Obscene to remember that Johnson gave a c30yo PA a Peerage! Her advice doesn't seem to have prevented partygate! |
This was my thought as well. Some of Truss' political advisors were given peerages. The whole system needs gutting. |  |
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| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 16:04 - Jan 9 with 1576 views | Swansea_Blue |
| vennells is handing back her CBE with immediate effect (n/t) on 15:57 - Jan 9 by bluelagos |
Since when have we gone after those in positions of authority for like...anything?
She has lied and misled MPs on numerous occasions and her employees and legal team did exactly that in numerous criminal court cases thus causing numerous innocent people to spend time in jail and in some cases to commit suicide.
In any decent society she would we held to account through the legal system for her actions. But we all know she won't be - cos that's not how it works.
And she'll be forever able to hide behind the fact she has never been found guilty of anything, like Duckenfield or Saville before her.
Doesn't mean she's not a piece of sh1t though - sometimes all the victims are left with is a TV show and public opinion.
I strongly suspect the only people to taste prison food will be the subpostmasters. British justice for you. |
Agreed, sadly. Hard to be anything other than cynical, isn't it?
As an aside, what a fantastic impact this TV show has had. It shouldn't have had to come to this, but it shows the role that good fact-based TV can have (see also David Attenborough and plastic in the oceans). As soon as the tide turns and there's overwhelming public consensus, the politicians can't wait to be seen to be taking it seriously. If only more people could be mobilised to stand up for other issues that affect us; but then I suppose that's what the culture wars are all about in terms of stopping us reaching consensuses over things that are damaging. | |
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