| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus 13:50 - Jan 15 with 9832 views | unstableblue |
Just consider this:
1) Trump hired a group of lawyers to prove the election was 'rigged', they reported no evidence. He hired a second group to do the same, and not only did they not find any evidence on wrongdoing, they turned into an-anti Trump group highlighting the fallacy of Trump's position.
2) Trump is facing 91 felony charges across 4 prosecutions
3) He without doubt instigated the Capitol insurrection
He has lied 1000s of times, and on all of the issues above. He is out of control in court, seemingly thinking he has impunity. He has radicalised huge swathes of the American public to be anti-State.
If he is put up against Biden.. he will A) Win and/or B) further radicalise and polarise the American population.
Trump for me is one of the maddest events/movements we have ever seen in our lifetimes.
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:03 - Jan 15 with 4623 views | Help |
but don't usually, those with the loudest voices, get heard more. So for a frighteningly opinionated country they will always back what they think is right for them. Even if it proves wrong the first time, let's try again. thank goodness he can only be resident twice. Goodness knows what a mess the world will be in once he has finished if he gets in the second time. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:05 - Jan 15 with 4615 views | iamatractorboy |
It is completely mad. But all the flaws, outrageousness and despicableness that you and I and any other rational humans see, well, his supporters see a lot of these as 'features, not bugs', as the saying goes. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:09 - Jan 15 with 4607 views | blueasfook |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:03 - Jan 15 by Help |
but don't usually, those with the loudest voices, get heard more. So for a frighteningly opinionated country they will always back what they think is right for them. Even if it proves wrong the first time, let's try again. thank goodness he can only be resident twice. Goodness knows what a mess the world will be in once he has finished if he gets in the second time. |
To be fair though (And I am no Trump supporter), people said that last time he got elected and we got through 4 years of Trump presidency OK.
He even managed to get Kim Jong Un to meet with him (though ultimately nothing came of it). I don't think he'd be quite the disaster people fear. |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:16 - Jan 15 with 4560 views | nodge_blue |
If he gets in I wouldn't put it past him to try and change the constitution. |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 15:15 - Jan 15 with 4389 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:16 - Jan 15 by nodge_blue |
If he gets in I wouldn't put it past him to try and change the constitution. |
Yep, I said the same at the weekend. I've no doubt he'll attempt to change the constitution to permit multiple terms of office - **See also Putin |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 15:45 - Jan 15 with 4321 views | positivity |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 14:09 - Jan 15 by blueasfook |
To be fair though (And I am no Trump supporter), people said that last time he got elected and we got through 4 years of Trump presidency OK.
He even managed to get Kim Jong Un to meet with him (though ultimately nothing came of it). I don't think he'd be quite the disaster people fear. |
last time he had some adults in the room to mitigate against his toddler tantrums, he was also hoping for re-election, so he didn't go any more extreme.
he will surround himself with weak yes-men, he's got a better idea of how to get his way, and he has nothing to lose. it has all the ingredients of being far worse than last time | |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 15:52 - Jan 15 with 4286 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
Let him lose again, it’s the only way they’ll learn. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 16:32 - Jan 15 with 4236 views | Europablue |
2) Just look at the timing that a lot of that is produced, is it not a coincidence that the "evidence" and prosecutions are occurring right on cue. It's not a competition, but look into Biden and his Son's dealings with Burisma then look at both sides of the aisle for examples of senators and members of the house who have suddenly got very good at predicting how the stocks will perform of specific companies and become filthy rich. The big difference with Trump is that the Democrats decided not to overlook his wrongdoing.
3) Is very difficult to prove and the evidence that he told them specifically not to be violent is very clear. He could have done more and he played up to them. The election was in fact rigged, but in a legal way. It's bad enough that postal voting is so open to fraud, but in America you can literally collect postal votes from people who will vote for your guy.
The world was a much safer place when Trump was in charge. If I had my way there would be a hard upper limit to the age of the President of 75 at the very most. Biden and Trump should not be allowed to run.
Think about this though. Who are you or anyone else to say who the American voters should vote for? If they want Trump then they will get what they deserve. | | | |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 16:39 - Jan 15 with 4196 views | matteoblue |
I think what you're trying to say is you don't like him... |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:22 - Jan 15 with 4129 views | MattinLondon |
I know that US presidents can only serve two terms as president. Does that mean if he were to win he can only serve another four years or will he be able to serve another eight? |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:22 - Jan 15 with 4127 views | yorkshire |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 16:32 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
2) Just look at the timing that a lot of that is produced, is it not a coincidence that the "evidence" and prosecutions are occurring right on cue. It's not a competition, but look into Biden and his Son's dealings with Burisma then look at both sides of the aisle for examples of senators and members of the house who have suddenly got very good at predicting how the stocks will perform of specific companies and become filthy rich. The big difference with Trump is that the Democrats decided not to overlook his wrongdoing.
3) Is very difficult to prove and the evidence that he told them specifically not to be violent is very clear. He could have done more and he played up to them. The election was in fact rigged, but in a legal way. It's bad enough that postal voting is so open to fraud, but in America you can literally collect postal votes from people who will vote for your guy.
The world was a much safer place when Trump was in charge. If I had my way there would be a hard upper limit to the age of the President of 75 at the very most. Biden and Trump should not be allowed to run.
Think about this though. Who are you or anyone else to say who the American voters should vote for? If they want Trump then they will get what they deserve. |
There is so much wrong here that it’s hard to know where to start
But let’s start the ‘the election was rigged but legalally’ - the whole system out here is rigged - a voter in Wyoming has far more power than anyone in California or New York - Gerrymandering from both sides means that millions of votes don’t count - but the biggest thing is that Trump was elected last time (and could be elected again) with less votes than his opponent | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:28 - Jan 15 with 4107 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:22 - Jan 15 by MattinLondon |
I know that US presidents can only serve two terms as president. Does that mean if he were to win he can only serve another four years or will he be able to serve another eight? |
Under the current constitution, he can only serve one more four year term. | |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:07 - Jan 15 with 4034 views | factual_blue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:28 - Jan 15 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Under the current constitution, he can only serve one more four year term. |
I'm anticipating he'll become Ronald Trimp as some point in an attempt to get third and fourth terms.
And then Moland Frimp. |  |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:14 - Jan 15 with 4016 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:22 - Jan 15 by yorkshire |
There is so much wrong here that it’s hard to know where to start
But let’s start the ‘the election was rigged but legalally’ - the whole system out here is rigged - a voter in Wyoming has far more power than anyone in California or New York - Gerrymandering from both sides means that millions of votes don’t count - but the biggest thing is that Trump was elected last time (and could be elected again) with less votes than his opponent |
You have just proven that you don't have a great handle on the whole American system of democracy. To be fair the Democrats don't seem to understand it either!
The whole concept is that rights are to be reserved to the States, meaning that unless something absolutely has to be decided on the Federal level, the decision should be made at the State level. It's why it was the correct decision from the Supreme Court to overturn Rowe V Wade.
Your voter in Wyoming, in general, the less populous States only has proportionately more voting in the Senate. In most cases, if the Senate rejects a bill Californians can just enact the same thing in their own State.
Isn't it interesting that politicians from California and New York seem hell-bent on having influence in other States by telling people what to do?
A candidate being able to get fewer votes is part of the system. If a competition is run based on rules then the competitors play to those rules. It's like saying we won because we got more corners when everyone else was playing to score more goals.
The thing that you have to understand about America is that there is a very delicate system it's designed to avoid tyranny of the majority. The consent to be governed is based on each State having two senators. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:23 - Jan 15 with 3987 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 17:22 - Jan 15 by yorkshire |
There is so much wrong here that it’s hard to know where to start
But let’s start the ‘the election was rigged but legalally’ - the whole system out here is rigged - a voter in Wyoming has far more power than anyone in California or New York - Gerrymandering from both sides means that millions of votes don’t count - but the biggest thing is that Trump was elected last time (and could be elected again) with less votes than his opponent |
Gerrymandering is a huge problem. There should be a logic to how voting districts are decided. It should be impartial.
There is a huge problem with political appointments to the courts. The whole point at the Supreme Court is that they are supposed to be interpreting the Constitution. Decisions like Rowe Vs Wade are a legal travesty. The Supreme Court should have kicked it back to the legislators to change the law.
Porkbarreling is another ridiculous feature, where lots of laws are bundled together in one bill, so it would not be out of the ordinary for a bill for funding of schools to include funds for abortion clinics and for abstinence education, and pipeline exploration.
There is no law stating that the age of alcohol consumption must be 21 in America, but the funding for roads has been linked to that law, so 21 is the defacto legal drinking age in America.
Don't even get me started about the concept of a natural person and how you can spend as much of your own money as you like to distort politics.
Not to mention lobbying! | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:23 - Jan 15 with 3990 views | positivity |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:14 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
You have just proven that you don't have a great handle on the whole American system of democracy. To be fair the Democrats don't seem to understand it either!
The whole concept is that rights are to be reserved to the States, meaning that unless something absolutely has to be decided on the Federal level, the decision should be made at the State level. It's why it was the correct decision from the Supreme Court to overturn Rowe V Wade.
Your voter in Wyoming, in general, the less populous States only has proportionately more voting in the Senate. In most cases, if the Senate rejects a bill Californians can just enact the same thing in their own State.
Isn't it interesting that politicians from California and New York seem hell-bent on having influence in other States by telling people what to do?
A candidate being able to get fewer votes is part of the system. If a competition is run based on rules then the competitors play to those rules. It's like saying we won because we got more corners when everyone else was playing to score more goals.
The thing that you have to understand about America is that there is a very delicate system it's designed to avoid tyranny of the majority. The consent to be governed is based on each State having two senators. |
you're not exactly selling it; makes our fptp seem sane! | |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:24 - Jan 15 with 3978 views | yorkshire |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:14 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
You have just proven that you don't have a great handle on the whole American system of democracy. To be fair the Democrats don't seem to understand it either!
The whole concept is that rights are to be reserved to the States, meaning that unless something absolutely has to be decided on the Federal level, the decision should be made at the State level. It's why it was the correct decision from the Supreme Court to overturn Rowe V Wade.
Your voter in Wyoming, in general, the less populous States only has proportionately more voting in the Senate. In most cases, if the Senate rejects a bill Californians can just enact the same thing in their own State.
Isn't it interesting that politicians from California and New York seem hell-bent on having influence in other States by telling people what to do?
A candidate being able to get fewer votes is part of the system. If a competition is run based on rules then the competitors play to those rules. It's like saying we won because we got more corners when everyone else was playing to score more goals.
The thing that you have to understand about America is that there is a very delicate system it's designed to avoid tyranny of the majority. The consent to be governed is based on each State having two senators. |
Damn - what a lot of nonsense
Correct decision that women’s autonomy should be decided at state level is spoken like a true old, white bigoted conservative man - why on earth should women be treated differently in different states of what is supposed to be the most advanced country in the world - that is Taliban style thinking
And as for the fact that the president can be put into power because of an antiquated system is just right cos - well that’s nonsense too - things have changed over the years - originally black people only counted as a three fifths of a person and women couldn’t vote - now they managed to find a way to change those eventually [Post edited 15 Jan 18:32]
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:54 - Jan 15 with 3745 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:23 - Jan 15 by positivity |
you're not exactly selling it; makes our fptp seem sane! |
Think of it like the EU has 27 countries each with their own laws.
There are positive features of first past the post. I really appreciate the idea of MPs having constituents so you can directly contact your MP if you have a problem. First past the post also prevents atomization and extremism. The only big problem with first past the post is that we have two very similar parties that are basically interchangeable. The Conservatives don't conserve anything and Labour don't care about work or the working class. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:20 - Jan 15 with 3578 views | NthQldITFC |
Make America Gormless Again |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:25 - Jan 15 with 3561 views | JohnTy |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:14 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
You have just proven that you don't have a great handle on the whole American system of democracy. To be fair the Democrats don't seem to understand it either!
The whole concept is that rights are to be reserved to the States, meaning that unless something absolutely has to be decided on the Federal level, the decision should be made at the State level. It's why it was the correct decision from the Supreme Court to overturn Rowe V Wade.
Your voter in Wyoming, in general, the less populous States only has proportionately more voting in the Senate. In most cases, if the Senate rejects a bill Californians can just enact the same thing in their own State.
Isn't it interesting that politicians from California and New York seem hell-bent on having influence in other States by telling people what to do?
A candidate being able to get fewer votes is part of the system. If a competition is run based on rules then the competitors play to those rules. It's like saying we won because we got more corners when everyone else was playing to score more goals.
The thing that you have to understand about America is that there is a very delicate system it's designed to avoid tyranny of the majority. The consent to be governed is based on each State having two senators. |
As someone who once did a phD in US politics i find it amusing to hear you lecture other posters and indeed US Democrats about the US political system. |  | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:27 - Jan 15 with 3553 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:24 - Jan 15 by yorkshire |
Damn - what a lot of nonsense
Correct decision that women’s autonomy should be decided at state level is spoken like a true old, white bigoted conservative man - why on earth should women be treated differently in different states of what is supposed to be the most advanced country in the world - that is Taliban style thinking
And as for the fact that the president can be put into power because of an antiquated system is just right cos - well that’s nonsense too - things have changed over the years - originally black people only counted as a three fifths of a person and women couldn’t vote - now they managed to find a way to change those eventually [Post edited 15 Jan 18:32]
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Pretty racist to bring up my presumed race. Then call me a bigot, that is very unbiggoted of you!
Since you have thought so carefully on this and decided on all the parameters, how many weeks should abortions be allowed to? Under what circumstances? What exceptions would you allow? Should you be able to find out if the baby has down syndrome then abort it? Is it ok to abort the baby if it's a girl? If not why not? Who should pay for the abortions? Are you going to force doctors to perform abortions?
Once you've worked all that out try and get everyone in a diverse country to agree on that.
You don't understand the abortion issue at all do you? For the most part it's not about loose women trying to kill babies and It's not about stale, pale, men controlling women. There is a good argument for reasonably limited abortion. There is also a compelling pro-life argument. You seem to live in a black and white world.
The thing about black people and women is that the Constitution never excluded them, so when public opinion changed it was possible to follow the Consitution more faithfully and actually meet the promise of the wording all men are created equal.
It seems like you are saying that a system that allows Trump into power is a bad system. The system cannot tell the people who to choose. Just remember that any weapon that is created can also be used by you enemies eventually. | | | |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:29 - Jan 15 with 3541 views | NthQldITFC |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 16:32 - Jan 15 by Europablue |
2) Just look at the timing that a lot of that is produced, is it not a coincidence that the "evidence" and prosecutions are occurring right on cue. It's not a competition, but look into Biden and his Son's dealings with Burisma then look at both sides of the aisle for examples of senators and members of the house who have suddenly got very good at predicting how the stocks will perform of specific companies and become filthy rich. The big difference with Trump is that the Democrats decided not to overlook his wrongdoing.
3) Is very difficult to prove and the evidence that he told them specifically not to be violent is very clear. He could have done more and he played up to them. The election was in fact rigged, but in a legal way. It's bad enough that postal voting is so open to fraud, but in America you can literally collect postal votes from people who will vote for your guy.
The world was a much safer place when Trump was in charge. If I had my way there would be a hard upper limit to the age of the President of 75 at the very most. Biden and Trump should not be allowed to run.
Think about this though. Who are you or anyone else to say who the American voters should vote for? If they want Trump then they will get what they deserve. |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:32 - Jan 15 with 3527 views | NthQldITFC |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 18:07 - Jan 15 by factual_blue |
I'm anticipating he'll become Ronald Trimp as some point in an attempt to get third and fourth terms.
And then Moland Frimp. |
Re. the second one: Moland is a lady name isn't it. One presumes he will be transitioning with the full support of the Proud Boys? | |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:15 - Jan 15 with 3461 views | factual_blue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:32 - Jan 15 by NthQldITFC |
Re. the second one: Moland is a lady name isn't it. One presumes he will be transitioning with the full support of the Proud Boys? |
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| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 20:39 - Jan 15 with 3348 views | Europablue |
| The world has gone mad (part 78,957) - Trump to win by a landslide Iowa caucus on 19:25 - Jan 15 by JohnTy |
As someone who once did a phD in US politics i find it amusing to hear you lecture other posters and indeed US Democrats about the US political system. |
Thank you for your educational flex. I studied American politics too, but I probably learnt more by listening to arguments testing my principles after uni than when I was at uni.
I'm happy that you find it amusing.
Anyway, if you in your superior knowledge take issue with something I actually said then by all means talk to me. If people make comments that show lacking in understanding, isn't it natural to debate that in a forum?
I says a lot about the weakness of a person's argument if they criticize the person rather than what they said.
Democrats and Republicans alike know how to use the US political system for their own means, but on the whole they don't serve the interests of the people. Trump doesn't have any morals aside from winning. So he's not a model human by any means. The one great thing he has going for him is that he will shake things up and state obvious truths for example why does America provide all security for Europe and only the UK and maybe Malta pays the agreed upon 2% of GDP? The reaction of the Democrats to Trump is very dangerous, they have shifted the political norms so now expect every President to be impeached. | | | |
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