| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 with 2600 views | JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:09 - Jan 17 with 2539 views | NeedhamChris |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Comparing women commentators to serial killers isn't hateful? | |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:11 - Jan 17 with 2530 views | Guthrum |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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It's not just opinions, but the way they are delivered. It's not a rational argument about the qualities of female media presenters. Simply a volley of abuse, couched in the most inflammatory language and presenting himself as a person whose opinion should be listened to.
You think he is not consciously preaching to an audience who will lap up his comments, follow his posts and subscribe to his output? Much like Katie Hopkins, leveraging hateful opinions for status and reward. Uncaring of the effect it has on his targets. |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:13 - Jan 17 with 2510 views | NthQldITFC |
Good on Eni for speaking out about the issue rather than just keeping a low profile to try to protect herself. She's obviously a strong, brave woman - which is not surprising I suppose given that she was a very successful international footballer.
It's amazing how such a no-mark as the bloke who gave the abuse, whose name temporarily eludes me, can have such a profile given his lack of impact on the sport. I suppose it's all down to the rats the follow him. Bartram, that's it. I think? |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:14 - Jan 17 with 2468 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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"Eni Aluko says Joey Barton abuse left her frightened to leave home."
Is that headline not enough for you? |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:16 - Jan 17 with 2436 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:13 - Jan 17 by NthQldITFC |
Good on Eni for speaking out about the issue rather than just keeping a low profile to try to protect herself. She's obviously a strong, brave woman - which is not surprising I suppose given that she was a very successful international footballer.
It's amazing how such a no-mark as the bloke who gave the abuse, whose name temporarily eludes me, can have such a profile given his lack of impact on the sport. I suppose it's all down to the rats the follow him. Bartram, that's it. I think? |
She is much stronger, more dignified and worthy of respect than Bartman. |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:19 - Jan 17 with 2396 views | RobTheMonk |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Lmao. Your second point is funny considering Barton comparing Eni Aluko and Lucy Ward to Fred and Rose West... Maybe you need to look at the crimes they committed... |  | | |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:21 - Jan 17 with 2376 views | NthQldITFC |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:09 - Jan 17 by NeedhamChris |
Comparing women commentators to serial killers isn't hateful? |
I suppose in some senses you could say that those serial killers were 'successful'. Parton by comparison, would be what, the six members of the Ladykillers gang in the Ealing comedy? (They all died but their target the little old lady survived and ended up with all their money.) | |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:24 - Jan 17 with 2347 views | Whos_blue |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Fair play mate for sticking your neck out with a controversial opinion, but seriously? |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:24 - Jan 17 with 2349 views | Guthrum |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Responding to your edit: That is true, to an extent. But in the modern-day social media environment - in which Barton and all of us operate - it is a well known fact that there is a section of users who will latch onto any trend which enables them to abuse and threaten others. It is possible to have and express opinions without encouraging that group - still less deliberately stirring them up. | |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:32 - Jan 17 with 2321 views | blueasfook |
The guy is a loon. He seems to have moved on to Jeremy Vine now and insists on calling him "Bike Nonce".
When Katie Hopkins praises you, you know you are the wrong side of the fence! Also, I hope he has deep pockets for legal fees! |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:33 - Jan 17 with 2288 views | BlueBadger |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Bigotry isn't 'an opinion' mate and we don't have to be polite or respectful about it.
If you're openly stirring hate, you don't deserve it. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:38]
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:37 - Jan 17 with 2261 views | DanTheMan |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Everyone else is allowed to tell him his opinions are sh1t.
Because they are. |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:43 - Jan 17 with 2231 views | JackNorthStand |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:11 - Jan 17 by Guthrum |
It's not just opinions, but the way they are delivered. It's not a rational argument about the qualities of female media presenters. Simply a volley of abuse, couched in the most inflammatory language and presenting himself as a person whose opinion should be listened to.
You think he is not consciously preaching to an audience who will lap up his comments, follow his posts and subscribe to his output? Much like Katie Hopkins, leveraging hateful opinions for status and reward. Uncaring of the effect it has on his targets. |
I agree with you on the way it is delivered.
Perhaps I’m not paying as much mind to it as yourself and others, I definitely seem to be in a minority. Or perhaps it’s the way we choose to views things differently, but for me, he is just making himself look stupid but not trying to inspire others as the article suggests he has. | | | |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:56 - Jan 17 with 2154 views | yorkshireblue |
Shocked to see that the half-brother of a convicted racist murderer tweeted in support of Stephen Yaxley/Tommy Robinson yesterday.
But, in better Barton news - well played to whoever did this
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:12 - Jan 17 with 2084 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:43 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
I agree with you on the way it is delivered.
Perhaps I’m not paying as much mind to it as yourself and others, I definitely seem to be in a minority. Or perhaps it’s the way we choose to views things differently, but for me, he is just making himself look stupid but not trying to inspire others as the article suggests he has. |
What about the opinions of the woman in the article who feared for her safety and was frightened to leave home? | |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:16 - Jan 17 with 2048 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:02 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
He’s got an opinion, you don’t have to agree with it. It’s not a movement.
He said nothing “ hateful “. The dark side as you put it is telling people they cannot have opinions.
Edit: I don’t agree with the way he chooses for himself to come across and it’s not something I would ever do. Do I think he has made himself look daft? Yes. Do I think he is “ dangerous “ absolutely not. [Post edited 17 Jan 10:11]
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Nobody said it was a "movement".
It's a shame you didn't read the article that was linked. In it Eni Aluko very clearly explains the difference between free speech and hate speech, and the effect that online abuse has on her, and has had on others.
The really odd thing here is that you are supposed to be an Ipswich supporter.
To put this very plainly:
The sister of one of Ipswich Town's first team squad has been vilely abused just for doing her job, by a shthouse former player and ex-manager, and her mental wellbeing has suffered.
Just as an Ipswich fan, surely you can see that you should be taking the side of Sone Aluko's family.
As an (presumably) adult human being you should be able to see that vile abuse aimed at a young, black woman is wrong, and should have a good enough grasp of what has been said on both sides, and the proper limits of free speech, before you comment on the subject. | | | |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:19 - Jan 17 with 2025 views | JackNorthStand |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:16 - Jan 17 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Nobody said it was a "movement".
It's a shame you didn't read the article that was linked. In it Eni Aluko very clearly explains the difference between free speech and hate speech, and the effect that online abuse has on her, and has had on others.
The really odd thing here is that you are supposed to be an Ipswich supporter.
To put this very plainly:
The sister of one of Ipswich Town's first team squad has been vilely abused just for doing her job, by a shthouse former player and ex-manager, and her mental wellbeing has suffered.
Just as an Ipswich fan, surely you can see that you should be taking the side of Sone Aluko's family.
As an (presumably) adult human being you should be able to see that vile abuse aimed at a young, black woman is wrong, and should have a good enough grasp of what has been said on both sides, and the proper limits of free speech, before you comment on the subject. |
I think you’re misunderstanding the conversation me and Guthrum are having brother. We are discussing what Joey Barton meant by it and whether it is purposely hateful or just ( in my opinion ) him being a complete idiot. I’m sorry if I’ve upset you. Have a good day [Post edited 17 Jan 11:20]
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:24 - Jan 17 with 1990 views | JackNorthStand |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:12 - Jan 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What about the opinions of the woman in the article who feared for her safety and was frightened to leave home? |
I haven’t dismissed that at all. People can be hurt by comments that are made by someone being an “ idiot “ just as they can be hurt by “ hate speech”.
I don’t believe Barton was trying to create hate. I think he has just been an idiot and trying to be outspoken as he is prone to doing. | | | |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:26 - Jan 17 with 1978 views | JackNorthStand |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:19 - Jan 17 by RobTheMonk |
Lmao. Your second point is funny considering Barton comparing Eni Aluko and Lucy Ward to Fred and Rose West... Maybe you need to look at the crimes they committed... |
Exactly why he has made himself look daft. Comparing a football pundit who he thinks is rubbish, to a serial killer. It’s ridiculous. And that is exactly how I see it. | | | |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:52 - Jan 17 with 1887 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:26 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
Exactly why he has made himself look daft. Comparing a football pundit who he thinks is rubbish, to a serial killer. It’s ridiculous. And that is exactly how I see it. |
Plainly hateful. It provides cover and comfort to agressive idiots and bigots. So dangerous too. | | | |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 12:08 - Jan 17 with 1831 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:43 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
I agree with you on the way it is delivered.
Perhaps I’m not paying as much mind to it as yourself and others, I definitely seem to be in a minority. Or perhaps it’s the way we choose to views things differently, but for me, he is just making himself look stupid but not trying to inspire others as the article suggests he has. |
The problem is the people who are paying attention to him; those people who are desperate for an excuse to justify (in their minds) their racism/bigotry/misogyny. Barton facilitates those sorts of behaviours. He may not be explicitly encouraging people, but he’s obviously having an impact as proven by the testimony of the people on the end of the resulting abuse. |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 12:46 - Jan 17 with 1708 views | Illinoisblue |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:32 - Jan 17 by blueasfook |
The guy is a loon. He seems to have moved on to Jeremy Vine now and insists on calling him "Bike Nonce".
When Katie Hopkins praises you, you know you are the wrong side of the fence! Also, I hope he has deep pockets for legal fees! |
Vine and others taking legal action will further enrage the women-hating loon, and push him ever deeper into his “the deep state are out to get me” conspiracy nonsense. |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 12:54 - Jan 17 with 1661 views | SitfcB |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 10:16 - Jan 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
She is much stronger, more dignified and worthy of respect than Bartman. |
Maybe so but she’s a sh!te pundit and it’s not because she’s a woman. |  |
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| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 13:19 - Jan 17 with 1562 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The dark side of the Joey Barton circus on 11:19 - Jan 17 by JackNorthStand |
I think you’re misunderstanding the conversation me and Guthrum are having brother. We are discussing what Joey Barton meant by it and whether it is purposely hateful or just ( in my opinion ) him being a complete idiot. I’m sorry if I’ve upset you. Have a good day [Post edited 17 Jan 11:20]
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I think that in your original (edited) post, and to a lesser extent in subsequent replies, you, mainly spoke out to defend Barton's "right to free speech" rather than show any understanding of:
Why what he said went beyond the bounds of reasonable free speech.
Why it inflamed a wider circle of Twitter trolls, some of whom may be stupid enough to take action against Eni Aluko in real life, or at least give her cause to fear that that might happen.
And went so far as to say that the worst thing in the whole debate was not the fear and sense of threat that Eni Aluko is being put in, but people responding to Barton, which in your opinion is stifling free speech.
You haven't upset me though, it's just that I try to speak out against hate speech at every opportunity. Barton engaged in hate speech, so I will politely explain why to anyone who seeks to defend him. | | | |
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