| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham 16:36 - Jan 18 with 15903 views | itfcjoe |
Loan until the end of the season - nice move for him to go and work under Mogga and move up the table slightly |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:18 - Jan 19 with 2651 views | Mullet |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:17 - Jan 19 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Again. It has been a thread about Dozzell and you have changed the subject.
Obviously you won't admit being wrong. You never do. |
You brought up relegation, blamed Andre, then others.
You're wrong. Still. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:24 - Jan 19 with 2639 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:18 - Jan 19 by Mullet |
You brought up relegation, blamed Andre, then others.
You're wrong. Still. |
That was all facts because he did nothing for the club.
QPR fans.....how do they dare to bash him, eh? Yeah, they are all wrong and you are right about him. Just you. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:26 - Jan 19 with 2621 views | Mullet |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:24 - Jan 19 by Mach_foreignBlue |
That was all facts because he did nothing for the club.
QPR fans.....how do they dare to bash him, eh? Yeah, they are all wrong and you are right about him. Just you. |
Still wrong. | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:29 - Jan 19 with 2611 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:26 - Jan 19 by Mullet |
Still wrong. |
You are as ever. Nothing new. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:39 - Jan 19 with 2584 views | Mullet |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:29 - Jan 19 by Mach_foreignBlue |
You are as ever. Nothing new. |
Wrong | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:49 - Jan 19 with 2569 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:39 - Jan 19 by Mullet |
Wrong |
All your love about Dozzell and telling us good things about him for years. The ferocious level in which QPR fans keep bashing him on their forum..... how do you look like with your customary nonsense about him?
They have made you ... wrong. [Post edited 19 Jan 2024 19:49]
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:54 - Jan 19 with 2548 views | Mullet |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:49 - Jan 19 by Mach_foreignBlue |
All your love about Dozzell and telling us good things about him for years. The ferocious level in which QPR fans keep bashing him on their forum..... how do you look like with your customary nonsense about him?
They have made you ... wrong. [Post edited 19 Jan 2024 19:49]
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:56 - Jan 19 with 2540 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:54 - Jan 19 by Mullet |
Wrong. |
Yes you are as ever. No point being repetitive. | | | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:57 - Jan 19 with 2541 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:49 - Jan 19 by Mach_foreignBlue |
All your love about Dozzell and telling us good things about him for years. The ferocious level in which QPR fans keep bashing him on their forum..... how do you look like with your customary nonsense about him?
They have made you ... wrong. [Post edited 19 Jan 2024 19:49]
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Why are you obsessed with telling us this vitriol repeatedly? You don't have to keep repeating it. You could have just ignored the thread completely.
Do you include Woolfenden, Donacien and Jackson in your analysis of those players who relegated us? It is clear this manager knows how to get far more out of the same players that Hurst, Cook and Lambert couldn't get a tune out of, just as Mick McCarthy was able to before that. How you can continue to imagine it was the players' fault and not the managers' incompetence is odd. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 20:00 - Jan 19 with 2523 views | Mullet |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:56 - Jan 19 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Yes you are as ever. No point being repetitive. |
Wrong | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 20:13 - Jan 19 with 2482 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:57 - Jan 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why are you obsessed with telling us this vitriol repeatedly? You don't have to keep repeating it. You could have just ignored the thread completely.
Do you include Woolfenden, Donacien and Jackson in your analysis of those players who relegated us? It is clear this manager knows how to get far more out of the same players that Hurst, Cook and Lambert couldn't get a tune out of, just as Mick McCarthy was able to before that. How you can continue to imagine it was the players' fault and not the managers' incompetence is odd. |
When people mention our recent ex-managers you don't have a problem with that kind of 'vitriol' don't you?
There were bigger problems at the club than managers. That was players and Evans.
You can blame the managers for the wrong tactics but the players and their attitude were just a disgrace. They'd show no heart for the fight at all.
Dozzell one of the culprits. QPR fans are having a big joy with him leaving.
You have a different opinion. Fine. I got mine. We disagree, simple. [Post edited 19 Jan 2024 21:27]
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:47 - Jan 20 with 2342 views | ibbleobble |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:57 - Jan 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why are you obsessed with telling us this vitriol repeatedly? You don't have to keep repeating it. You could have just ignored the thread completely.
Do you include Woolfenden, Donacien and Jackson in your analysis of those players who relegated us? It is clear this manager knows how to get far more out of the same players that Hurst, Cook and Lambert couldn't get a tune out of, just as Mick McCarthy was able to before that. How you can continue to imagine it was the players' fault and not the managers' incompetence is odd. |
Wrong too. For a systemic failure to happen like relegation, it’s a catalogue of faults, not the fault of a single entity. The bitterness, malaise and division created by McCarthy, the under investment and incompetence of Evans, the ineptitude of Hurst, the disinterest from Lambert and the lack of winners and quality in the squad.
To your point about players. Chambers and Skuse amassed 1500 games between them and won nothing. That speaks volumes. Too often we heard how we should be grateful of Evan’s £6m annual loss; how MM was punching above our weight; how relegation would be a disaster. Of course, all of that was nonsense. Onwards snd upwards and good riddance to those days and that mindset. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:32 - Jan 20 with 2311 views | Yallop2 |
Never influenced games consistently for me. Good luck to him though. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:41 - Jan 20 with 2304 views | Churchman |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:47 - Jan 20 by ibbleobble |
Wrong too. For a systemic failure to happen like relegation, it’s a catalogue of faults, not the fault of a single entity. The bitterness, malaise and division created by McCarthy, the under investment and incompetence of Evans, the ineptitude of Hurst, the disinterest from Lambert and the lack of winners and quality in the squad.
To your point about players. Chambers and Skuse amassed 1500 games between them and won nothing. That speaks volumes. Too often we heard how we should be grateful of Evan’s £6m annual loss; how MM was punching above our weight; how relegation would be a disaster. Of course, all of that was nonsense. Onwards snd upwards and good riddance to those days and that mindset. |
It all goes back to the owner and how the club was run. A mess of disinterest, low ambition, decay.
Many of the players will have tried their best. After all it’s their careers. Others? Seeking an easy living, hiding, not wanting to be there, rudderless, one or two too old. There was no team there. Just a collection of poorly performing players, relegated before the leaves fell. They knew it, everybody knew it.
To even make a fight of it post-Hurst you needed a far better manager than Dortmund highlights reel Lambo and better, fitter players than we had. Lamberts reward for his ineptitude and wind? A five year contract. That stupidity says all about Evens.
It always starts and ends at the top. It did in Ramsey’s day and hasn’t changed. If your club is well set up and structured, it’ll sail through staff and managerial change. For Mowbray, will it work at Birmingham? It might but it depends on the ownership.
As for Dozzell? A big 19 odd games for his career working for a really good footballing manager. It’s a great opportunity for him to find out how good he can be. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 12:22 - Jan 20 with 2218 views | ibbleobble |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:41 - Jan 20 by Churchman |
It all goes back to the owner and how the club was run. A mess of disinterest, low ambition, decay.
Many of the players will have tried their best. After all it’s their careers. Others? Seeking an easy living, hiding, not wanting to be there, rudderless, one or two too old. There was no team there. Just a collection of poorly performing players, relegated before the leaves fell. They knew it, everybody knew it.
To even make a fight of it post-Hurst you needed a far better manager than Dortmund highlights reel Lambo and better, fitter players than we had. Lamberts reward for his ineptitude and wind? A five year contract. That stupidity says all about Evens.
It always starts and ends at the top. It did in Ramsey’s day and hasn’t changed. If your club is well set up and structured, it’ll sail through staff and managerial change. For Mowbray, will it work at Birmingham? It might but it depends on the ownership.
As for Dozzell? A big 19 odd games for his career working for a really good footballing manager. It’s a great opportunity for him to find out how good he can be. |
I couldn’t agree more. Good post. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:03 - Jun 8 with 1891 views | JackNorthStand |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 12:55 - Jan 19 by JackNorthStand |
They are indeed and Andre Dozzel is not going to help them. I will be astounded if he achieves 3 goals or 3 assists from now to the end of the season. |
1 goal, 1 assist and Birmingham did indeed get relegated @chico azul | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 23:05 - Jun 8 with 1525 views | JimmyJazz |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:03 - Jun 8 by JackNorthStand |
1 goal, 1 assist and Birmingham did indeed get relegated @chico azul |
Not only that but QPR improved dramatically once AD moved on |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 23:33 - Jun 8 with 1464 views | itfcsuth |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:03 - Jun 8 by JackNorthStand |
1 goal, 1 assist and Birmingham did indeed get relegated @chico azul |
AD is what I have seen in academies so many times before, technically gifted, but could not transition to men’s first team football.
Looks really good at youth football, that lack of competitiveness and aggression suited the way he plays the game, but failed to make the transition to the men’s game.
He’s not the first and won’t be the last. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 00:37 - Jun 9 with 1375 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 23:05 - Jun 8 by JimmyJazz |
Not only that but QPR improved dramatically once AD moved on |
Not sure you can pin QPR's very good improvement on Andre leaving, think the new manager was more of a factor. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 00:44 - Jun 9 with 1365 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 00:37 - Jun 9 by StNeotsBlue |
Not sure you can pin QPR's very good improvement on Andre leaving, think the new manager was more of a factor. |
Yes, exactly Cifuentes deemed him useless and no wonder he didn't need him in their relegation battle. Not only that. The way in which QPR fans were extremely joyous after he had left them.
Ipswich was a 'comfortable zone' for him and he admitted that. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 00:56 - Jun 9 with 1339 views | ParisBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:03 - Jun 8 by JackNorthStand |
1 goal, 1 assist and Birmingham did indeed get relegated @chico azul |
Did OK in first few games under Mowbray. Rowett didn't fancy him at all.
Mogga has always been a fan. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:45 - Jun 9 with 1028 views | itfcjoe |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 23:33 - Jun 8 by itfcsuth |
AD is what I have seen in academies so many times before, technically gifted, but could not transition to men’s first team football.
Looks really good at youth football, that lack of competitiveness and aggression suited the way he plays the game, but failed to make the transition to the men’s game.
He’s not the first and won’t be the last. |
He has played over 200 games of mens football, with well over half being in the 2nd tier so think a little unfair to say he hasn’t been able to transition out of academy football. | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:15 - Jun 9 with 935 views | franz_tyson |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:45 - Jun 9 by itfcjoe |
He has played over 200 games of mens football, with well over half being in the 2nd tier so think a little unfair to say he hasn’t been able to transition out of academy football. |
Would you say he's a seasoned, proven Championship player at 25? I would say he's very underwhelming and a luxury player. 179 league appearances and 5 goals. And he has no engine and can't tackle. Yes, he is a neat passer. The QPR fans don't have our blue-eyed specs on and pretty much are ecstatic to be shot of him.
Sorry, I don't get what he brings to a side.
I personally believe our academy has been over-hyped for years and that was down to us clinging onto any kind of hope during the Evans' years. Klug was very good at producing age group internationals who couldn't push on in senior football. I truly hope the new regime can start producing more top players. Not these types of technically good but weak, injury-prone one's but more hardened, athletic types - like Flynn Downes ( who was behind Dozzell in the pecking order, but easily leap-frogged him). | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:28 - Jun 9 with 890 views | itfcjoe |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:15 - Jun 9 by franz_tyson |
Would you say he's a seasoned, proven Championship player at 25? I would say he's very underwhelming and a luxury player. 179 league appearances and 5 goals. And he has no engine and can't tackle. Yes, he is a neat passer. The QPR fans don't have our blue-eyed specs on and pretty much are ecstatic to be shot of him.
Sorry, I don't get what he brings to a side.
I personally believe our academy has been over-hyped for years and that was down to us clinging onto any kind of hope during the Evans' years. Klug was very good at producing age group internationals who couldn't push on in senior football. I truly hope the new regime can start producing more top players. Not these types of technically good but weak, injury-prone one's but more hardened, athletic types - like Flynn Downes ( who was behind Dozzell in the pecking order, but easily leap-frogged him). |
He’s certainly a seasoned EFL player and will find another club relatively easily, but prob a player who isn’t going to be more than player that flits between the top of L1 and the botttom of the Champ but that’s still a fantastic achievement and prob ours him in the best 300 or so English footballers
I’d disagree with parts of the bottom and agree with parts - but Downes wasn’t as good as Dozzell was and pushed on from there but both were England internationals. Dozzell was playing a year up for England though and winning a European championships. The age group around Dozzell here has a good 8 or 9 players still making a good living from the game | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:42 - Jun 9 with 849 views | BseaBlue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:28 - Jun 9 by itfcjoe |
He’s certainly a seasoned EFL player and will find another club relatively easily, but prob a player who isn’t going to be more than player that flits between the top of L1 and the botttom of the Champ but that’s still a fantastic achievement and prob ours him in the best 300 or so English footballers
I’d disagree with parts of the bottom and agree with parts - but Downes wasn’t as good as Dozzell was and pushed on from there but both were England internationals. Dozzell was playing a year up for England though and winning a European championships. The age group around Dozzell here has a good 8 or 9 players still making a good living from the game |
I think the injury killed him personally. Seemed to take a bit of bite out of him after he came in like lightning with us.
Its a shame Kieran never got his hands on him as I feel that would have been the best chance to get him where he showed the promise of getting too. |  | | |
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