| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham 16:36 - Jan 18 with 15896 views | itfcjoe |
Loan until the end of the season - nice move for him to go and work under Mogga and move up the table slightly |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:32 - Jan 18 with 2328 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:22 - Jan 18 by Hipsterectomy |
I can't remember before his bad injury, but I don't think he was ever a fearless midfielder. He's definitely reserved now, hence his nickname at QPR for doing absolutely nothing, but there seems to be the narrative that the injury has turned him away from getting stuck in, which I'm not sure is the case |
I think tackling and tracking back were always his weakness which means I think he is better suited to a different role from where he gets played. Definitely a skilful player in there. It will be interesting to see how he progresses and where he plays under Mogga. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:44 - Jan 18 with 2298 views | Mullet |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 18:40 - Jan 18 by tractorboy1978 |
Dozzell was average at best for two seasons in L1. Let’s not pretend otherwise. |
He played 10 times or so in one of those seasons - taking him in isolation during a period of mass delusion and incompetence doesn't tell us much.
He went on to the Championship - the managers and other players preferred often didn't. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 20:03 - Jan 18 with 2261 views | JackNorthStand |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 18:57 - Jan 18 by MattinLondon |
Considering how pathetic we were when we were relegated there’s not really a type of player who suits a relegation battle.
I actually thought that he would develop into a good PL player but unfortunately after his bad injury he never seemed to get back on track. Hopefully for him, Birmingham will offer him a chance to kick on. |
We were pathetic, I remember at the time knowing we were rubbish but when I look back it’s a lot worse than it seemed at the time.
Dozzell is a player who goes missing in games, a luxury player who if playing in a team who have a lot of the ball and he has good players around him can look very good. His ability to spot a forward pass is right up there and that’s what has given him a respectable whilst average career.
I think his chance to kick on has well and truly gone, let’s see! |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 20:36 - Jan 18 with 2202 views | Illinoisblue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 20:03 - Jan 18 by JackNorthStand |
We were pathetic, I remember at the time knowing we were rubbish but when I look back it’s a lot worse than it seemed at the time.
Dozzell is a player who goes missing in games, a luxury player who if playing in a team who have a lot of the ball and he has good players around him can look very good. His ability to spot a forward pass is right up there and that’s what has given him a respectable whilst average career.
I think his chance to kick on has well and truly gone, let’s see! |
Pretty much echoes what QPR fans are thinking:
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 20:43 - Jan 18 with 2162 views | ibbleobble |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 17:16 - Jan 18 by Dubtractor |
Remember when we sold him (into the Championship), and got Harper, and a few on here were proclaiming how it was amazing business?
2 and a half years later and Andre is still playing regularly in the Championship, and Harper is struggling to get into a struggling league one team - saw him come on and look pretty lost for Burton the other day.
Not sure what point I'm trying to make, other than perhaps that there was a really irrational hatred towards Andre from a slightly odd section of our fanbase. |
I think hatred is very over exaggerated. Many people thought it was good business and a good move for all parties as he got to go up a level and we got a good deal in a career that needed kick starting. Reality is, he wasn’t living up to his early promise due to his injury and litany of poor managers. He’s still not lived up to his promise and needs another kick start.
Many said he hasn’t got what it takes to reach the level of expectation set. He’s still pretty ineffective so here’s hoping Mogga gets something out of him. [Post edited 18 Jan 2024 21:16]
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 21:18 - Jan 18 with 2114 views | kesblue |
By far the most overrated player we have ever had by far, wasn't there a season as a midfield playmaker that he got 0 goals and assists... |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 06:37 - Jan 19 with 1944 views | franz_tyson |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 21:18 - Jan 18 by kesblue |
By far the most overrated player we have ever had by far, wasn't there a season as a midfield playmaker that he got 0 goals and assists... |
This says it all.
I would have expected his "admirers" to point out his stats ( goals/assists) or a period where he was influencing games or some really memorable moments. All we're getting is comparisons to crap players like Harper and comments about how he's a Championship player or other excuses. Bottom line.... he was over-rated. Looks very comfortable on the ball and can see a,pass once in a while... but his time here was just cameos.... the odd highlight, but loads of nothing. And we haven't missed him. Where would he fit in a Mckenna team? A deep CM who can't tackle and has no energy? Or a 10 who can't score or provide assists.
Good luck to him, but since we've got Morsy the bar has been set quite a bit higher. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:03 - Jan 19 with 1918 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 17:16 - Jan 18 by Dubtractor |
Remember when we sold him (into the Championship), and got Harper, and a few on here were proclaiming how it was amazing business?
2 and a half years later and Andre is still playing regularly in the Championship, and Harper is struggling to get into a struggling league one team - saw him come on and look pretty lost for Burton the other day.
Not sure what point I'm trying to make, other than perhaps that there was a really irrational hatred towards Andre from a slightly odd section of our fanbase. |
I said at the time, but I found both them moves quite interesting. 2 highly rated England youth internationals who had lost their ways a little at their respective clubs and who both needed moves to get their career going again to see if they can replicate their early career hype.
Not really gone to plan for either of those albeit Dozzell still playing at a better level than Harper. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:43 - Jan 19 with 1865 views | Dubtractor |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:03 - Jan 19 by Kieran_Knows |
I said at the time, but I found both them moves quite interesting. 2 highly rated England youth internationals who had lost their ways a little at their respective clubs and who both needed moves to get their career going again to see if they can replicate their early career hype.
Not really gone to plan for either of those albeit Dozzell still playing at a better level than Harper. |
Exactly this.
I wasn't suggesting Dozzell was amazing for us (he wasn't) or that he has pulled up trees at QPR, but equally he clearly has something that managers can see, and very obviously was a real prospect before his major injury.
Harper's career progression has been significantly downhill by comparison. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:50 - Jan 19 with 1847 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 18:07 - Jan 18 by ChampionsofInnsbruck |
The killer is that McKenna never got his hands on Downes and Dozzell, he’d have made them exceptional. Downes is of course shining for Southampton but Dozzell has not wowed at QPR but then again who has? |
And in that, lies the answer.
Dozzell, Downes and others, good players in the club who could have been promotion winners, who were constantly provided with a succession of managers who where either sh*t, or seemingly unable to play any of those players to their strengths.
Another Evans legacy. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:13 - Jan 19 with 1810 views | Churchman |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 06:37 - Jan 19 by franz_tyson |
This says it all.
I would have expected his "admirers" to point out his stats ( goals/assists) or a period where he was influencing games or some really memorable moments. All we're getting is comparisons to crap players like Harper and comments about how he's a Championship player or other excuses. Bottom line.... he was over-rated. Looks very comfortable on the ball and can see a,pass once in a while... but his time here was just cameos.... the odd highlight, but loads of nothing. And we haven't missed him. Where would he fit in a Mckenna team? A deep CM who can't tackle and has no energy? Or a 10 who can't score or provide assists.
Good luck to him, but since we've got Morsy the bar has been set quite a bit higher. |
This is where I’m at. The disappointment for me was that he looked so promising when he first appeared. The common QPR view is that they’re glad he’s gone and rueing the £1m spent on him.
Is it that he was at two cr@p clubs? His injury was a bad one and maybe that has held him back. We were certainly that the time and Rangers are now. Maybe Mowbray will bring the best out of him. If he can’t nobody can. Regardless,I wish him well as I do most of our ex players. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:21 - Jan 19 with 1793 views | chicoazul |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 18:51 - Jan 18 by JackNorthStand |
Not the sort of player you want when you’re in a relegation battle |
Brum are in a relegation battle, maybe Mowbray knows more about football than you. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:31 - Jan 19 with 1776 views | Steve_M |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:50 - Jan 19 by Cheltenham_Blue |
And in that, lies the answer.
Dozzell, Downes and others, good players in the club who could have been promotion winners, who were constantly provided with a succession of managers who where either sh*t, or seemingly unable to play any of those players to their strengths.
Another Evans legacy. |
Well quite, having seen the improvements in players like Burgess and Ladapo under McKenna, it's quite ludicrous not to consider that he could have done wiht Downes and Dozzell.
FWIW, Andre was one of the few players who did improve under Lambert, playing deeper and having to be better at the off the ball stuff rather than just relying on his use of the ball. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:32 - Jan 19 with 1775 views | Churchman |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:21 - Jan 19 by chicoazul |
Brum are in a relegation battle, maybe Mowbray knows more about football than you. |
But does he know more than the current QPR manager? Probably, but he’s clearly not rated if they are loaning him to a relegation rival. My money is on Mowbray as he’s about the best manager AD will have had. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:43 - Jan 19 with 1753 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 19:44 - Jan 18 by Mullet |
He played 10 times or so in one of those seasons - taking him in isolation during a period of mass delusion and incompetence doesn't tell us much.
He went on to the Championship - the managers and other players preferred often didn't. |
This is a big move for him. I really hope Mogga can get the best out of him and we start to see the player that he promised to be. Once you wind back all the unnecessary vitriol some of that team got, you are still left with a player that barely had any impact on games and couldn't impose himself all too often. A trend that seems to have continued at QPR. [Post edited 19 Jan 2024 8:44]
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:47 - Jan 19 with 1744 views | itfcjoe |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 07:43 - Jan 19 by Dubtractor |
Exactly this.
I wasn't suggesting Dozzell was amazing for us (he wasn't) or that he has pulled up trees at QPR, but equally he clearly has something that managers can see, and very obviously was a real prospect before his major injury.
Harper's career progression has been significantly downhill by comparison. |
I don't think they can be compared really with regards to how well it has gone - Dozzell has played pretty regularly in the Championship, and has just been signed by another Championship club whereas Harper went to L1 relegation fodder and made no impact, then to a low budget lower mid table L1 side and couldn't get in the team and now has signed permanently for a bottom end L1 club and still can't get in the team.
Since that summer when both moves happened - Harper has played the equivalent of 37 League 1 games over 2.5 seasons whereas Dozzell has played the equivalent of 60 games in the Championship and retained place under a few different managers at a bit of a joke club.
He's not going to have the career we all hoped he would, and but for that injury at Birmingham it may have been more than hope, but the game has changed slightly and that hasn't suited his skillset - 5 years ago you could play a 4231 with one ball winner and one ball player in the 2 but can't any more, so he needs to play higher up the pitch which doesn't suit him.
He's played over 100 Championship games which is a decent career so far, but got a lot of work to do to retain a place in this league for next season as his contract is up in the summer | |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:53 - Jan 19 with 1718 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I know a couple of QPR supporters both are of the view that whilst a very good player technically, he struggles to make an impact on games. I think that’s how I viewed him, and would add that Lee Evans has been similar in that respect. That’s more obvious since Mass and Morsy came in - when was the last time we had TWO central Midfielders that can just grab a game by the scruff and dominate…
Good luck to Dozzell I think Mowbray will get the best out of him. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:25 - Jan 19 with 1667 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 17:42 - Jan 18 by strikalite |
He won't lose his great touch or lovely range of passing etc, so for me he could be one of these players that gets better with experience into his late 20's even thirties.. |
I've had a theory for years and I'm standing by it that he's a number 10.
I've never really seen him as this deep lying playmaker, I don't think he influences a game enough or dictates the tempo as consistently as you would like. When you think of the profile of players like Rodri, Pirlo, Kroos etc who have carved out successful careers, I don't see Dozzell having that level of influence on games. I'm not suggesting he need be anything close to their level, I just always get the impression he's sort of playing at being the role, rather than truly influencing games. He was always good for a moment of magic, a lookaway pass, and clearly has real ability to spot and execute a range of passing, but I can't think of too many examples of matches I've seen him play and come away thinking 'yeah, he controlled that'.
I always said and I stand by it that I would play him further forward, almost in the Chaplin role where he can do more damage with that passing in the final 3rd and break into the box with a goal threat. Give him a bit more licence to drift in and out of games. |  | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:31 - Jan 19 with 1641 views | NthQldITFC |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:25 - Jan 19 by _clive_baker_ |
I've had a theory for years and I'm standing by it that he's a number 10.
I've never really seen him as this deep lying playmaker, I don't think he influences a game enough or dictates the tempo as consistently as you would like. When you think of the profile of players like Rodri, Pirlo, Kroos etc who have carved out successful careers, I don't see Dozzell having that level of influence on games. I'm not suggesting he need be anything close to their level, I just always get the impression he's sort of playing at being the role, rather than truly influencing games. He was always good for a moment of magic, a lookaway pass, and clearly has real ability to spot and execute a range of passing, but I can't think of too many examples of matches I've seen him play and come away thinking 'yeah, he controlled that'.
I always said and I stand by it that I would play him further forward, almost in the Chaplin role where he can do more damage with that passing in the final 3rd and break into the box with a goal threat. Give him a bit more licence to drift in and out of games. |
I think would have thrived in the nineties where pitches were better than earlier, and physicality/athleticism hadn't become so important - cf. Le Tissier. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:31 - Jan 19 with 1642 views | Vegtablue |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 06:37 - Jan 19 by franz_tyson |
This says it all.
I would have expected his "admirers" to point out his stats ( goals/assists) or a period where he was influencing games or some really memorable moments. All we're getting is comparisons to crap players like Harper and comments about how he's a Championship player or other excuses. Bottom line.... he was over-rated. Looks very comfortable on the ball and can see a,pass once in a while... but his time here was just cameos.... the odd highlight, but loads of nothing. And we haven't missed him. Where would he fit in a Mckenna team? A deep CM who can't tackle and has no energy? Or a 10 who can't score or provide assists.
Good luck to him, but since we've got Morsy the bar has been set quite a bit higher. |
His scouting report encapsulates the story of his time at QPR and why many are giddy at his departure, despite having limited depth in his position and not receiving a fee.
He doesn't recover many balls, tackle, or compete with his opposite man, so disrupting/negating the opposition isn't really his game. He doesn't make many progressive passes, or passes in the final third, or create shooting / goal-scoring actions, so that isn't really his game. He doesn't drive forwards with the ball, draw fouls or take on opposition players, so that isn't his game. He doesn't make many touches, or many passes, or complete a high percentage/quantity of any form of pass, so that isn't obviously his game. Piece it all together and the image of Casper is hard to waft away.
There is ability poking through the report still. He doesn't make many errors and is rarely dispossessed (even if this is counteracted somewhat by his reduced involvement in most aspects of the game). He takes some set-pieces and has good shooting numbers (for the few shots he has), which both point to him being a good technician. I hope Mogga can make the jigsaw fit.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8f660142/scout/365_m2/Andre-Dozzell-Scouting-Report | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:37 - Jan 19 with 1632 views | hype313 |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:25 - Jan 19 by _clive_baker_ |
I've had a theory for years and I'm standing by it that he's a number 10.
I've never really seen him as this deep lying playmaker, I don't think he influences a game enough or dictates the tempo as consistently as you would like. When you think of the profile of players like Rodri, Pirlo, Kroos etc who have carved out successful careers, I don't see Dozzell having that level of influence on games. I'm not suggesting he need be anything close to their level, I just always get the impression he's sort of playing at being the role, rather than truly influencing games. He was always good for a moment of magic, a lookaway pass, and clearly has real ability to spot and execute a range of passing, but I can't think of too many examples of matches I've seen him play and come away thinking 'yeah, he controlled that'.
I always said and I stand by it that I would play him further forward, almost in the Chaplin role where he can do more damage with that passing in the final 3rd and break into the box with a goal threat. Give him a bit more licence to drift in and out of games. |
I'm with you on that, don't think the position he has played in has been hugely complementary to his game.
Think with Dozzell, you have to look at the side he was playing in at the time, the manager, the state of flux the club was in, it just wasn't set up to help youngsters progress naturally. He was brought in at a time when we were in a right mess and on a downward trajectory.
I watched him closely at PR over Xmas and his vision and timing was excellent, but with the hustle and bustle of the Championship he gets eaten by the likes of Morsy and Mass and other battle hardened midfielders.
He's one of those players that would flourish in a successful team, and unfortunately the clubs he has played for have been a bit of a car crash which hasn't helped.
FWIW he will still have a decent career, but think he misses a few key elements to take him to the next level and it will be interesting to see how he gets on at Brum under Mogga.
Quite a key period for him as he's out of contract and needs a good loan to get him going again.
Wish him nothing but the best. |  |
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:47 - Jan 19 with 1599 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:37 - Jan 19 by hype313 |
I'm with you on that, don't think the position he has played in has been hugely complementary to his game.
Think with Dozzell, you have to look at the side he was playing in at the time, the manager, the state of flux the club was in, it just wasn't set up to help youngsters progress naturally. He was brought in at a time when we were in a right mess and on a downward trajectory.
I watched him closely at PR over Xmas and his vision and timing was excellent, but with the hustle and bustle of the Championship he gets eaten by the likes of Morsy and Mass and other battle hardened midfielders.
He's one of those players that would flourish in a successful team, and unfortunately the clubs he has played for have been a bit of a car crash which hasn't helped.
FWIW he will still have a decent career, but think he misses a few key elements to take him to the next level and it will be interesting to see how he gets on at Brum under Mogga.
Quite a key period for him as he's out of contract and needs a good loan to get him going again.
Wish him nothing but the best. |
Agree with that. There's always been a suggestion that his game might be better suited on the continent and I think there's merit in it. The 'Stoke away on a Tuesday night' test is a cliche one but there's a lot of merit in it. Physically, positionally, arguably even mentally does he have the tools to take games by the scruff of the next and dictate a tempo, I don't think I've ever seen it on a consistent basis. Mens football at Championship / L1 level is worlds apart from academy football.
He's got a lot of natural ability and he's still got time on his side. I just think on this trajectory he's a bit too Tom Carrolly. I would like to see him at a club where he's played further forward, with the protection behind him and the license to use his creativity in the final 3rd. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 12:55 - Jan 19 with 1462 views | JackNorthStand |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 08:21 - Jan 19 by chicoazul |
Brum are in a relegation battle, maybe Mowbray knows more about football than you. |
They are indeed and Andre Dozzel is not going to help them. I will be astounded if he achieves 3 goals or 3 assists from now to the end of the season. | | | |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 12:58 - Jan 19 with 1447 views | positivity |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 12:55 - Jan 19 by JackNorthStand |
They are indeed and Andre Dozzel is not going to help them. I will be astounded if he achieves 3 goals or 3 assists from now to the end of the season. |
we'll see, mogga has a job on his hands, but he's a much better manager and more suited to managing andre than mick, hurst or lambert.
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| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 12:59 - Jan 19 with 1446 views | JackNorthStand |
| Andre Dozzell going to Birmingham on 09:31 - Jan 19 by Vegtablue |
His scouting report encapsulates the story of his time at QPR and why many are giddy at his departure, despite having limited depth in his position and not receiving a fee.
He doesn't recover many balls, tackle, or compete with his opposite man, so disrupting/negating the opposition isn't really his game. He doesn't make many progressive passes, or passes in the final third, or create shooting / goal-scoring actions, so that isn't really his game. He doesn't drive forwards with the ball, draw fouls or take on opposition players, so that isn't his game. He doesn't make many touches, or many passes, or complete a high percentage/quantity of any form of pass, so that isn't obviously his game. Piece it all together and the image of Casper is hard to waft away.
There is ability poking through the report still. He doesn't make many errors and is rarely dispossessed (even if this is counteracted somewhat by his reduced involvement in most aspects of the game). He takes some set-pieces and has good shooting numbers (for the few shots he has), which both point to him being a good technician. I hope Mogga can make the jigsaw fit.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8f660142/scout/365_m2/Andre-Dozzell-Scouting-Report |
I couldnt have put it better myself. There is something in there definitely he just doesn’t seem to do a lot and games completely pass him by | | | |
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