| Promotion a year too early? 22:30 - Jan 19 with 7228 views | BuffaloBill |
I wonder with the low key presence of the Gamechanger guys and the relative lack of transfer activity, that way may as part of the strategy be happy to not necessarily get promoted this year?
I realise that any club takes promotion if it's handed them but I keep wondering why GC have taken such a back seat this year?
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| Promotion a year too early? on 10:30 - Jan 20 with 1122 views | nodge_blue |
| Promotion a year too early? on 10:16 - Jan 20 by PhilTWTD |
Not within that. The PLC, which is the shareholding pre-Marcus Evans, owns about two and a half per cent of Ipswich Town Football Club Company Ltd with Gamechanger 20 owning the rest. It was 12.5 per cent at the time of the takeover but further investment since then has diluted that stake. |
Apologies. You did say that was the Game changer structure.
Does Game changer own the phoenix and other football clubs or are they the three lions who own those outside of this?
That structure makes you realise the three lions aren't the owners at all really are they. [Post edited 20 Jan 2024 10:32]
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| Promotion a year too early? on 10:56 - Jan 20 with 1086 views | PhilTWTD |
| Promotion a year too early? on 10:30 - Jan 20 by nodge_blue |
Apologies. You did say that was the Game changer structure.
Does Game changer own the phoenix and other football clubs or are they the three lions who own those outside of this?
That structure makes you realise the three lions aren't the owners at all really are they. [Post edited 20 Jan 2024 10:32]
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No, they're not, which is why I think they feel they overstated their position at the time of the takeover. Their interest in Phoenix Rising - and the other clubs Brett Johnson has or had stakes in - are completely separate, nothing to do with Gamechanger or the pension fund. |  | | |
| Promotion a year too early? on 11:10 - Jan 20 with 1068 views | nodge_blue |
| Promotion a year too early? on 10:56 - Jan 20 by PhilTWTD |
No, they're not, which is why I think they feel they overstated their position at the time of the takeover. Their interest in Phoenix Rising - and the other clubs Brett Johnson has or had stakes in - are completely separate, nothing to do with Gamechanger or the pension fund. |
Which again makes you realise his main ambitions don't sit with ITFC as his gains are limited. And some of the initial chat about player exchanges between the clubs is a bit of a non sense.
Really they are faces / figure heads, with some limited financial benefit should we do well. Makes you wonder why the pension fund really felt they needed them at all, or why all three. Its not like we haven't seen the pension fund guys over here as faces. | |
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| Promotion a year too early? on 12:23 - Jan 20 with 1025 views | nodge_blue |
| Promotion a year too early? on 10:56 - Jan 20 by PhilTWTD |
No, they're not, which is why I think they feel they overstated their position at the time of the takeover. Their interest in Phoenix Rising - and the other clubs Brett Johnson has or had stakes in - are completely separate, nothing to do with Gamechanger or the pension fund. |
One more irony in all that is Marcus Evans is still an owner if people want to view the 3 lions as owners. And a bigger one than any of them. | |
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| Promotion a year too early? on 14:04 - Jan 20 with 967 views | OldFart71 |
I think the word is sustainability. Yes Gamechanger would have one season's Premier League money but is one season enough ? I believe we need half a dozen new players to put us in a position to attain Premier status and for us to stay there. I can't see us getting them in one window or even two so I think it would be next January before we are truly ready. As for the current situation we aint gonna get what we need this window. It will be a makeshift, possibly to end of season loan or someone on a short term contract. I don't want a yo-yo club and I believe management and owners think the same. |  | | |
| Promotion a year too early? on 14:16 - Jan 20 with 956 views | J2BLUE |
I have no words for this post.
We see this 'opinion' from people occasionally. It is utter nonsense. There is no such thing as ready for the Premier League. Even Leicester will probably have high turnover. There is no way in hell Ipswich will ever build a Premier League ready squad in the Championship. |  |
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| Promotion a year too early? on 14:19 - Jan 20 with 938 views | Alberto_the_frog |
We are not really ready for Premiership but just getting there would be a fantastic achievement and build even more momentum. Even if it results in just one season it would be a great opportunity to make some money and come back the next year stronger. |  | | |
| Promotion a year too early? on 14:20 - Jan 20 with 928 views | Vegtablue |
| Promotion a year too early? on 14:04 - Jan 20 by OldFart71 |
I think the word is sustainability. Yes Gamechanger would have one season's Premier League money but is one season enough ? I believe we need half a dozen new players to put us in a position to attain Premier status and for us to stay there. I can't see us getting them in one window or even two so I think it would be next January before we are truly ready. As for the current situation we aint gonna get what we need this window. It will be a makeshift, possibly to end of season loan or someone on a short term contract. I don't want a yo-yo club and I believe management and owners think the same. |
You become sustainable with PL money invested wisely, in my opinion, not through assembling players in the Championship surrounded by parachute budgets. Parachute money is required to compete financially with the top third of the Championship. | | | |
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| Promotion a year too early? on 14:33 - Jan 20 with 884 views | Broadbent23 |
Another year in the championship will help. Unfortunately the squad is not Premiership quality and needs adjustment. Notts Forest bought a new squad on promotion and now have fallen foul of FFP. All the promoted teams from last season our struggling in the premiership. KM is a good coach/manager but the premiership is another level where mega bucks are needed over 5 years to stabilise a team. What we have achieved is brilliant so far but we have to be patient. | | | |
| Promotion a year too early? on 15:07 - Jan 20 with 841 views | orfordbuoy |
| Promotion a year too early? on 14:33 - Jan 20 by Broadbent23 |
Another year in the championship will help. Unfortunately the squad is not Premiership quality and needs adjustment. Notts Forest bought a new squad on promotion and now have fallen foul of FFP. All the promoted teams from last season our struggling in the premiership. KM is a good coach/manager but the premiership is another level where mega bucks are needed over 5 years to stabilise a team. What we have achieved is brilliant so far but we have to be patient. |
I don't see why we should consider ourselves any less than the likes of: Bournmouth, Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Palace, Luton, Sheff Utd and Burnley.
We are big enough. |  | | |
| Promotion a year too early? on 15:27 - Jan 20 with 804 views | Vegtablue |
| Promotion a year too early? on 14:33 - Jan 20 by Broadbent23 |
Another year in the championship will help. Unfortunately the squad is not Premiership quality and needs adjustment. Notts Forest bought a new squad on promotion and now have fallen foul of FFP. All the promoted teams from last season our struggling in the premiership. KM is a good coach/manager but the premiership is another level where mega bucks are needed over 5 years to stabilise a team. What we have achieved is brilliant so far but we have to be patient. |
I'd be shocked if McKenna's prepared to spend 3 seasons with us in the Championship, unless his stock falls in the meantime. Ideally this won't be tested and we'll go up inside 1.5, at which point a lot of squad turnover will be required to survive in the PL (unless FFP ramifications change the landscape before then).
Burnley were a newly relegated, previously established PL side with the quality to achieve 101 points last season and they're now struggling in the PL again. The chances of us building a £300M playing squad with no financial advantages in the Championship are tiny; we'll forever be below PL quality down here until we break through once. And with the right mentality and physical qualities we may just be able to make a fist of it (Luton today). Or we play with more gung-ho abandon and pick up a surprise 9 wins. Otherwise, we return to the Championship finally in a financial position to compete for the better players at this level.
I'm mindful of Hodgson's situation at Crystal Palace already. It is so hard for teams to be successful in the Championship without parachute money. Mid-table PL clubs are a much better shop window for big PL appointments than aspiring Championship clubs, there's no getting around that. Few managers skip the steps.
Leif would likely depart in the summer and we'd need to reinvest that as well as we can, hoping to replicate or improve on Coventry's situation. A top 6 finish won't make us significantly more attractive to players in the summer. The increased wage budget from selling a top player would, and the Championship would at least have less quality in it next season (due to the teams leaving it upwards). [Post edited 20 Jan 2024 15:30]
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| Promotion a year too early? on 16:30 - Jan 20 with 762 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Probably because the owners don’t actually own the club - and one or two of them have their own problems back in the USA. | |
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| Promotion a year too early? on 22:20 - Jan 20 with 673 views | jayessess |
| Promotion a year too early? on 15:27 - Jan 20 by Vegtablue |
I'd be shocked if McKenna's prepared to spend 3 seasons with us in the Championship, unless his stock falls in the meantime. Ideally this won't be tested and we'll go up inside 1.5, at which point a lot of squad turnover will be required to survive in the PL (unless FFP ramifications change the landscape before then).
Burnley were a newly relegated, previously established PL side with the quality to achieve 101 points last season and they're now struggling in the PL again. The chances of us building a £300M playing squad with no financial advantages in the Championship are tiny; we'll forever be below PL quality down here until we break through once. And with the right mentality and physical qualities we may just be able to make a fist of it (Luton today). Or we play with more gung-ho abandon and pick up a surprise 9 wins. Otherwise, we return to the Championship finally in a financial position to compete for the better players at this level.
I'm mindful of Hodgson's situation at Crystal Palace already. It is so hard for teams to be successful in the Championship without parachute money. Mid-table PL clubs are a much better shop window for big PL appointments than aspiring Championship clubs, there's no getting around that. Few managers skip the steps.
Leif would likely depart in the summer and we'd need to reinvest that as well as we can, hoping to replicate or improve on Coventry's situation. A top 6 finish won't make us significantly more attractive to players in the summer. The increased wage budget from selling a top player would, and the Championship would at least have less quality in it next season (due to the teams leaving it upwards). [Post edited 20 Jan 2024 15:30]
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Yeah, the economics of the Championship are such that a 3-year cycle where you gradually improve the quality of the playing squad doesn't really exist.
On the playing side, you're on a 1-year cycle where your very best players will get sold and the size of those sales just determines your budget for the next 1-year cycle. As we've seen in this Window, there's no massive pull to being seen as "a contender" in your transfer activity either.
If we're still in the Championship next season all we'll have banked is a few players being slightly more experienced and Davis' performances earning us a £15-20m sale. [Post edited 20 Jan 2024 23:14]
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| Promotion a year too early? on 08:44 - Jan 21 with 575 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Promotion a year too early? on 08:22 - Jan 20 by MK1 |
Must admit that I would have liked a season or 2 in the Championship to get the squad really assembled for a Premier League return, but this is a great opportunity for us.
Think the owners will be absolutely delighted with our season so far and promotion will be at the forefront of their minds. (as it is with us now) |
Yup, I always thought , consolidate this season, build the squad, go for it next year. May still be the plan, but KMK and the boys have ruined the cunning plan by winning football matches! We’d love promotion of course, but I’d like to see the squad/Club grow organically rather that a full clear out just to try and survive. | | | |
| Promotion a year too early? on 09:25 - Jan 21 with 546 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Promotion a year too early? on 10:20 - Jan 20 by Nutkins_Return |
Oh it's absolutely oversimplified. I mean the clock is ticking now in the sense that they will have an exit strategy. We're part of the higher risk end of their portfolio and a pension fund isn't going to be a long term owner of a football club (or not complete owner anyway). I could see a lot of scenarios e.g. where they keep a % etc.
Getting to the prem will turn the dial though where they will likely look and have discussions with different parties sooner rather than later. Doesn't mean it will be quick sale. They will take their time. |
If Town become a ´Brighton type of club’ the pensioners of Arizona’s finest will all be down and outs. Brighton are one of the most indebted clubs in world football - I’m not sure how losing £450 million in double quick time constitutes a successful investment.
The simplest way to look at it is to view Ashton, O’Leary and three stooges as parasites. Benign when there is plenty of food going in - but not too good if the food dries up, which to a certain extent it already has. Difficult to envisage much more cash going into the coffers than currently going in whilst in the debtor’s prison of the championship.
The myth of added value may bring in new ‘investors’…. After all losing £100 million in just over a decade and dropping down a division apparently quadrupled Town’s value, somehow
But with Chinese money launderers and Russian gangsters excluded the list of potential buyers is reduced to mystery ‘businessmen’ from abroad and Americans peddling dubious investments. Or a bored retired NFL star listening to one of those Americans peddling dubious investments. | |
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| Promotion a year too early? on 09:49 - Jan 21 with 535 views | oldbeardy |
| Promotion a year too early? on 22:20 - Jan 20 by jayessess |
Yeah, the economics of the Championship are such that a 3-year cycle where you gradually improve the quality of the playing squad doesn't really exist.
On the playing side, you're on a 1-year cycle where your very best players will get sold and the size of those sales just determines your budget for the next 1-year cycle. As we've seen in this Window, there's no massive pull to being seen as "a contender" in your transfer activity either.
If we're still in the Championship next season all we'll have banked is a few players being slightly more experienced and Davis' performances earning us a £15-20m sale. [Post edited 20 Jan 2024 23:14]
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Completely agree. Very difficult for a team to "consolidate" and build over several seasons. There's just too much else going on, too many moving parts with players moving, managers moving, other teams investing/being taken over etc. You have to grab opportunities when you can because they might not present themselves again for a long time. | | | |
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