| Miners strike, the front line. 21:03 - Feb 18 with 5525 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
BBC2 now.
Edit....the things I saw and then seeing how it was reported changed me forever. [Post edited 18 Feb 21:05]
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 21:18 - Feb 18 with 3838 views | BarcaBlue |
Just saw Thatcher dressed up looking like Ming the Merciless giving a speech, hadn't seen that clip before. It would be a great meme these days. |  | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 21:26 - Feb 18 with 3816 views | Coastalblue |
I had family on both sides of the line in that, all gone now sadly, but the tales told were that there were things done on both sides which should not be considered. |  |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 22:30 - Feb 18 with 3742 views | Plums |
Just caught the end of it. Have set to record.
Mrs Plums lived in South Yorks at the time, we're now in Notts. So many of these areas still haven't recovered. [Post edited 18 Feb 22:54]
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 22:57 - Feb 18 with 3682 views | bluelagos |
They barely touched on the failed prosecutions of the miners charged with riot at Orgreave. Being charged with riot meant they faced lengthy prison sentences.
A young Michael Mansfield represented the miners and noticed that a load of police statements had exactly the same wording, they having been given the exact same things to put in their statements. He exposed their corruption and the prosecutions failed accordingly with the police eventually paying £000s compensation for those the police had stitched up.
Afterwards had a thorough police investigation established exactly who was behind the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and if they were charged it would have ensured South Yorks coppers knew they couldnt act with impunity.
Instead the police responsible went undisciplined. 5 years later after unlawfully killing 97 footie fans they again treated the UK justice aystem with contempt as they coordinated a cover up rather than hold to account those responsible from their own ranks.
The seeds for the cover up at Hillsborough were sown in the way criminal police actions went unchallenged years earlier. Their sense of impunity was long held. |  |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 23:05 - Feb 18 with 3652 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 22:30 - Feb 18 by Plums |
Just caught the end of it. Have set to record.
Mrs Plums lived in South Yorks at the time, we're now in Notts. So many of these areas still haven't recovered. [Post edited 18 Feb 22:54]
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Yep, the heart and soul was ripped out of huge swathes of the country. My family’s all from former mining areas, my dad and his dad were both miners in Warwickshire (Birch Copice). It’s a difficult one for me as we shouldn’t be using coal anyway and it was going to have to be phased out at some point (although it was all about cost back then), but to destroy an industry and replace it with low quality cheaper imports doesn’t sit well. Not without a plan to support the miners anyway. But they weren’t interested in working people, just as they aren’t now. |  |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 23:12 - Feb 18 with 3621 views | bluelagos |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 23:05 - Feb 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, the heart and soul was ripped out of huge swathes of the country. My family’s all from former mining areas, my dad and his dad were both miners in Warwickshire (Birch Copice). It’s a difficult one for me as we shouldn’t be using coal anyway and it was going to have to be phased out at some point (although it was all about cost back then), but to destroy an industry and replace it with low quality cheaper imports doesn’t sit well. Not without a plan to support the miners anyway. But they weren’t interested in working people, just as they aren’t now. |
Plan to support the miners?
Their plan was very much to crush the miners and that is exactly what they did. The Tories remembered how the miners and the 3 day wek in the 70s had largely done for Ted Heath's government.
Their motivation was to break the NUM irrespective of the human cost. The story of the bloke who couldnt afford to bury his child was hard listening. The contempt for ordinary people was clear. [Post edited 18 Feb 23:28]
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 23:26 - Feb 18 with 3600 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 23:12 - Feb 18 by bluelagos |
Plan to support the miners?
Their plan was very much to crush the miners and that is exactly what they did. The Tories remembered how the miners and the 3 day wek in the 70s had largely done for Ted Heath's government.
Their motivation was to break the NUM irrespective of the human cost. The story of the bloke who couldnt afford to bury his child was hard listening. The contempt for ordinary people was clear. [Post edited 18 Feb 23:28]
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Exactly. They were never interested in the people, as usual. Utter see you next Tuesdays. | |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 07:21 - Feb 19 with 3422 views | Bluespeed225 |
Round here as kids we had little, or no idea, of what this was all about. However, it was one of my most active scooter riding years, and from Easter at Morecombe there was something bubbling. The mining communities all had large, hardcore scooter clubs, with lads in their 20's who'd been at it since the mid 70's, grown ups with moustaches! Yarmouth at Whitsun saw the collections going round, but also the divide between the strikers/ non strikers. Some fierce battles in the pubs which the police were confused as to what was going on. I was learning fast. Then, the 'inland' run. Newark, Notts showground. 4 days after Orgreave. We were stopped enroute, middle of the night by plod as suspected flying pickets until they finally, after close checks, searches, and general nastiness, saw we were a bunch of kids from Suffolk. Cops had been moved across from the picket line to 'keep the peace'. I'd never seen shields/riot gear before. The pointy hats had been ditched, stakes had been raised. Both sides making their cases and the police saw this one as a bit of respite after the Monday, a free for all against fewer hardcore. We kept our heads down. Some serious injuries in an unreported part of the dispute. Isle Of Wight seemed to have a truce called, maybe so far south? maybe as it was an island?! WSM, it was back on. and with Style Councils' 'Shout to the Top' video played constantly on a 'video jukebox', things were clearer. Brighton bombing just before Skegness, miners saying they'd have made a better job of it. The strikers seemed to have won the day on the rallies, but by the start of the next season they'd were just about to return, defeated, but proud. As said, those wounds are still there. So that was my small experience of that time as an outsider, but seeing /hearing some things that stick with me forever. |  | | |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 08:06 - Feb 19 with 3362 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 22:57 - Feb 18 by bluelagos |
They barely touched on the failed prosecutions of the miners charged with riot at Orgreave. Being charged with riot meant they faced lengthy prison sentences.
A young Michael Mansfield represented the miners and noticed that a load of police statements had exactly the same wording, they having been given the exact same things to put in their statements. He exposed their corruption and the prosecutions failed accordingly with the police eventually paying £000s compensation for those the police had stitched up.
Afterwards had a thorough police investigation established exactly who was behind the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and if they were charged it would have ensured South Yorks coppers knew they couldnt act with impunity.
Instead the police responsible went undisciplined. 5 years later after unlawfully killing 97 footie fans they again treated the UK justice aystem with contempt as they coordinated a cover up rather than hold to account those responsible from their own ranks.
The seeds for the cover up at Hillsborough were sown in the way criminal police actions went unchallenged years earlier. Their sense of impunity was long held. |
Just a thought as well, and I'm sure you've touched on it, it's very likely some of the officers at Orgreave were also at Hillsborough on 15th April 1989, especially the more specialist ones such as mounted police etc. |  |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 08:19 - Feb 19 with 3323 views | thebooks |
I remember the reporting as a kid, which was basically the strikers are rioters.
It’s amazing just how political (and brutal) the police’s actions were.
I thought the programme was good, but it was still odd that the only questions you heard from the interviewers were directed at the miners rather than the police, who were allowed to get away with explanations like “they might have seen a bit of red mist”.
Why choose to challenge the 86 year old mum of 4 miners over whether her sons shouting “scab” at a returning miner was peaceful protest instead?
Be good if the BBC did a programme on its terrible reporting at the time. |  | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 08:58 - Feb 19 with 3229 views | DJR |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 07:21 - Feb 19 by Bluespeed225 |
Round here as kids we had little, or no idea, of what this was all about. However, it was one of my most active scooter riding years, and from Easter at Morecombe there was something bubbling. The mining communities all had large, hardcore scooter clubs, with lads in their 20's who'd been at it since the mid 70's, grown ups with moustaches! Yarmouth at Whitsun saw the collections going round, but also the divide between the strikers/ non strikers. Some fierce battles in the pubs which the police were confused as to what was going on. I was learning fast. Then, the 'inland' run. Newark, Notts showground. 4 days after Orgreave. We were stopped enroute, middle of the night by plod as suspected flying pickets until they finally, after close checks, searches, and general nastiness, saw we were a bunch of kids from Suffolk. Cops had been moved across from the picket line to 'keep the peace'. I'd never seen shields/riot gear before. The pointy hats had been ditched, stakes had been raised. Both sides making their cases and the police saw this one as a bit of respite after the Monday, a free for all against fewer hardcore. We kept our heads down. Some serious injuries in an unreported part of the dispute. Isle Of Wight seemed to have a truce called, maybe so far south? maybe as it was an island?! WSM, it was back on. and with Style Councils' 'Shout to the Top' video played constantly on a 'video jukebox', things were clearer. Brighton bombing just before Skegness, miners saying they'd have made a better job of it. The strikers seemed to have won the day on the rallies, but by the start of the next season they'd were just about to return, defeated, but proud. As said, those wounds are still there. So that was my small experience of that time as an outsider, but seeing /hearing some things that stick with me forever. |
Four of us, in our twenties and thirties, driving to Scotland for a football tour were stopped by the police in Nottinghamshire because they thought we were pickets.
It is not clear to me what powers the police had to stop us but I suppose that's besides the point. [Post edited 19 Feb 9:04]
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 09:39 - Feb 19 with 3116 views | soupytwist |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 07:21 - Feb 19 by Bluespeed225 |
Round here as kids we had little, or no idea, of what this was all about. However, it was one of my most active scooter riding years, and from Easter at Morecombe there was something bubbling. The mining communities all had large, hardcore scooter clubs, with lads in their 20's who'd been at it since the mid 70's, grown ups with moustaches! Yarmouth at Whitsun saw the collections going round, but also the divide between the strikers/ non strikers. Some fierce battles in the pubs which the police were confused as to what was going on. I was learning fast. Then, the 'inland' run. Newark, Notts showground. 4 days after Orgreave. We were stopped enroute, middle of the night by plod as suspected flying pickets until they finally, after close checks, searches, and general nastiness, saw we were a bunch of kids from Suffolk. Cops had been moved across from the picket line to 'keep the peace'. I'd never seen shields/riot gear before. The pointy hats had been ditched, stakes had been raised. Both sides making their cases and the police saw this one as a bit of respite after the Monday, a free for all against fewer hardcore. We kept our heads down. Some serious injuries in an unreported part of the dispute. Isle Of Wight seemed to have a truce called, maybe so far south? maybe as it was an island?! WSM, it was back on. and with Style Councils' 'Shout to the Top' video played constantly on a 'video jukebox', things were clearer. Brighton bombing just before Skegness, miners saying they'd have made a better job of it. The strikers seemed to have won the day on the rallies, but by the start of the next season they'd were just about to return, defeated, but proud. As said, those wounds are still there. So that was my small experience of that time as an outsider, but seeing /hearing some things that stick with me forever. |
That's a fascinating insight into how seemingly unconnected parts of society encountered each other and you experienced something that was otherwise outside your frame of reference. All thanks to a certain type of music and sub-culture.
My dad was a police officer (rank of inspector) in Essex at the time. Many of the more junior ranks were able to rake it in with the overtime on offer in mining areas or covering for colleagues who were drafted in to go and police elements of the miners' strike. Given that (and he was/is a raging Tory) as a teenager I obviously got a certain version of events related to me. I did get a sense of how divisive it was on the relatively few occasions the topic came up in conversations with his father, who was a staunch union man having worked on the railways in Manchester for years before coming to Essex to work at Coryton refinery. Thankfully, I've been able to learn a bit more about it since.
Am I right in thinking that Lucan of this parish has told stories before of his (or acquaintances) second hand car dealing exploits at the time? I could be dreaming that. [Post edited 19 Feb 9:40]
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 11:59 - Feb 19 with 2964 views | leitrimblue |
That's shocking to view and read Banksy.
Were you there yerself?
I have a couple of friends who were there, one of um I would suggest is still heavily traumatised and as been heavily self medicating ever since
Nice to see the independence of the media on both this subject and the miners strike.
Also incredible to think that Thatcher is still a hero to some.. |  | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 12:12 - Feb 19 with 2930 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 11:59 - Feb 19 by leitrimblue |
That's shocking to view and read Banksy.
Were you there yerself?
I have a couple of friends who were there, one of um I would suggest is still heavily traumatised and as been heavily self medicating ever since
Nice to see the independence of the media on both this subject and the miners strike.
Also incredible to think that Thatcher is still a hero to some.. |
The Battle of the Beanfield was pretty much a declaration of open season on the new age travellers.
Homes were deliberately smashed up, the travellers vicously assaulted (male and female), kids pushed aside and I seem to remember some of the footage of the battle was mysteriously lost - just like the videos from the Police control box at Hillsborough.
If the government decided they didn't like you (miners, new age travellers, football fans), they gave the police carte blanche to do what they liked. [Post edited 19 Feb 12:18]
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 14:37 - Feb 19 with 2772 views | Zapers |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 11:59 - Feb 19 by leitrimblue |
That's shocking to view and read Banksy.
Were you there yerself?
I have a couple of friends who were there, one of um I would suggest is still heavily traumatised and as been heavily self medicating ever since
Nice to see the independence of the media on both this subject and the miners strike.
Also incredible to think that Thatcher is still a hero to some.. |
Is Arthur Scargill still a hero to some.
Says it all really. | | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 14:49 - Feb 19 with 2731 views | jontysnut |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 09:39 - Feb 19 by soupytwist |
That's a fascinating insight into how seemingly unconnected parts of society encountered each other and you experienced something that was otherwise outside your frame of reference. All thanks to a certain type of music and sub-culture.
My dad was a police officer (rank of inspector) in Essex at the time. Many of the more junior ranks were able to rake it in with the overtime on offer in mining areas or covering for colleagues who were drafted in to go and police elements of the miners' strike. Given that (and he was/is a raging Tory) as a teenager I obviously got a certain version of events related to me. I did get a sense of how divisive it was on the relatively few occasions the topic came up in conversations with his father, who was a staunch union man having worked on the railways in Manchester for years before coming to Essex to work at Coryton refinery. Thankfully, I've been able to learn a bit more about it since.
Am I right in thinking that Lucan of this parish has told stories before of his (or acquaintances) second hand car dealing exploits at the time? I could be dreaming that. [Post edited 19 Feb 9:40]
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A relative was also Suffolk police and also made a fortune. I was living in Kent at the time and the local Indian Workers Association collected loads of food for the Kent miners. There were sacks of lentils and rice which they didn't really know what to do with. |  | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 15:17 - Feb 19 with 2686 views | leitrimblue |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 14:37 - Feb 19 by Zapers |
Is Arthur Scargill still a hero to some.
Says it all really. |
No idea
Not sure he was at the Battle of the Beanfield? | | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 17:01 - Feb 19 with 2574 views | BlueBadger |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 14:37 - Feb 19 by Zapers |
Is Arthur Scargill still a hero to some.
Says it all really. |
Well, there's people here who claim to hate bullies and nastiness who'll turn out every time to defend noted rapist, bigot and criminal Donald Trump.... |  |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 18:26 - Feb 19 with 2480 views | Plums |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 15:17 - Feb 19 by leitrimblue |
No idea
Not sure he was at the Battle of the Beanfield? |
Played the fiddle in The Levellers? | |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 18:28 - Feb 19 with 2475 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 11:59 - Feb 19 by leitrimblue |
That's shocking to view and read Banksy.
Were you there yerself?
I have a couple of friends who were there, one of um I would suggest is still heavily traumatised and as been heavily self medicating ever since
Nice to see the independence of the media on both this subject and the miners strike.
Also incredible to think that Thatcher is still a hero to some.. |
Nope but got to meet plenty of people that were over the years including the author of the piece linked. The following year I joined a walk from Bristol to Stonehenge and carried on from there, mostly with horse drawn types to begin with. | |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 19:11 - Feb 19 with 2396 views | leitrimblue |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 18:28 - Feb 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Nope but got to meet plenty of people that were over the years including the author of the piece linked. The following year I joined a walk from Bristol to Stonehenge and carried on from there, mostly with horse drawn types to begin with. |
I imagine you would have met a few of um alright. I have a couple of friends over here ( slightly older then Andy & Jas etc) who came over on horses originally. (1 of um worked with me on and off for 20 years until retiring last year)
I looked on the authors site, he as a couple of pieces on Exodus, there a bit hairy fairy but interesting enough. He is one of the few people I've seen attempt to write about it.
Has some great photos of all sorts of stuff as well
I have a supreme story about a run in I had with the National Trust executives charged with looking after stonehenge on the morning after the Solstice around 99/2000. I was working for the Cambridge Archaeological Unit at the time but looked like some kinda raver/hippy...
Somebody needs to try and write a book about the new age traveller thing from some kinda anthropological point of view. It really needs to be recorded by the people who were there living it otherwise it will just be left to some nobby journalist with no connection. I've asked a few of the lads but never had any takers... | | | |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 20:02 - Feb 19 with 2344 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 18:26 - Feb 19 by Plums |
Played the fiddle in The Levellers? |
That’s Jon Sevink. I’ve met him, really nice guy. | |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 21:15 - Feb 19 with 2260 views | jayessess |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 19:11 - Feb 19 by leitrimblue |
I imagine you would have met a few of um alright. I have a couple of friends over here ( slightly older then Andy & Jas etc) who came over on horses originally. (1 of um worked with me on and off for 20 years until retiring last year)
I looked on the authors site, he as a couple of pieces on Exodus, there a bit hairy fairy but interesting enough. He is one of the few people I've seen attempt to write about it.
Has some great photos of all sorts of stuff as well
I have a supreme story about a run in I had with the National Trust executives charged with looking after stonehenge on the morning after the Solstice around 99/2000. I was working for the Cambridge Archaeological Unit at the time but looked like some kinda raver/hippy...
Somebody needs to try and write a book about the new age traveller thing from some kinda anthropological point of view. It really needs to be recorded by the people who were there living it otherwise it will just be left to some nobby journalist with no connection. I've asked a few of the lads but never had any takers... |
There's a couple of things knocking about - Kevin Hetherington, New Age Travellers: Vanloads of Uproarious Humanity (sociologist), Andy Worthington, The Battle of the Beanfield (investigative journalist, but it's mainly interviews). Chris Coates has a book about communes post-1939, Comunes Britannica, but it's more about fixed communes. |  |
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| Miners strike, the front line. on 01:39 - Feb 20 with 2140 views | Zapers |
| Miners strike, the front line. on 17:01 - Feb 19 by BlueBadger |
Well, there's people here who claim to hate bullies and nastiness who'll turn out every time to defend noted rapist, bigot and criminal Donald Trump.... |
Nice to see you again Badger, always feel safer with you lurking in the background;)
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