| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... 11:40 - Mar 1 with 11304 views | Ryorry |
Others not so much maybe ...
All I heard from him was giving Keir Starmer an extended flaying on numerous counts - but not once condemning this stinking, corrupt, incompetent tory govt. or any of its MPs - not one word from him re the last 14 years  |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 13:44 - Mar 1 with 3682 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 13:41 - Mar 1 by You_Bloo_Right |
"This is for Gaza", said Galloway.
When, if he were honest, he'd have said, "This is for George". |
He's no Derek Hatton
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 13:52 - Mar 1 with 3659 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 13:44 - Mar 1 by BanksterDebtSlave |
He's no Derek Hatton
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"I want him destroyed on Friday night Barbara ..." |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:09 - Mar 1 with 3646 views | giant_stow |
Its pretty amusing watching Owen Jones, Ash Sakar and Arron Bastini celebrate but not celebrate. |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:26 - Mar 1 with 3608 views | thebooks |
He and Chris Williamson are the last thing anybody needs 🤷 |  | | |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:46 - Mar 1 with 3580 views | cbower |
George Galloway cares about George Galloway. Where there is a Labour stronghold but the MP is in trouble for some reason, he parachutes in, says what disgruntled voters want to hear to give the party a bloody nose, gets elected with no chance of getting anything done, gets a decent salary and some media attention. Rinse and repeat. Odoius little weasel. |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:48 - Mar 1 with 3572 views | Ryorry |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 13:52 - Mar 1 by You_Bloo_Right |
"I want him destroyed on Friday night Barbara ..." |
" ... so hurry up and get the taxis lined up ready ..." | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:57 - Mar 1 with 3547 views | Ryorry |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 13:44 - Mar 1 by Clapham_Junction |
Unfortunately this is the kind of projection that some (particularly centrist Labour voters/members) like to make about people further to the left - that somehow they would rather the Tories (or someone equally awful) win than Labour. While there might be a tiny number of loudmouths on Twitter saying such nonsense, I'm pretty sure the vast, vast majority of people on the left would prefer Labour to win than the Tories, even if they think the current Labour Party is hugely uninspiring and could be vastly improved with a change of leadership.
While I won't be voting Labour (I am in a safe seat that would only be lost to someone further left), them winning the next GE is the only realistic hope. I just hope they introduce PR for the one after next so people are able to meaningfully vote more with their conscience.
(I think it has become a common issue in recent years that people think Twitter is real life and make judgements about others based on their perception of how people in the same place on the political spectrum behave on Twitter. That and certain celebrities going down Twitter rabbitholes). |
"Unfortunately this is the kind of projection that some (particularly centrist Labour voters/members) like to make about people further to the left - that somehow they would rather the Tories (or someone equally awful) win than Labour."
I personally (centre left) don't make it, nor does anyone else I know. We just wish that those further to the left than ourselves would stop giving a very good impression of preferring a tory govt. by incessantly attacking Labour/Starmer & thus risking catastrophically dividing the Labour vote when it comes to the crunch in the GE. | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 15:02 - Mar 1 with 3538 views | bazza |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 12:31 - Mar 1 by J2BLUE |
I would have drawn a cock on the ballot paper. |
I think 12335 pictures of cocks won him the seat.. [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 15:08]
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 15:17 - Mar 1 with 3507 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:57 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
"Unfortunately this is the kind of projection that some (particularly centrist Labour voters/members) like to make about people further to the left - that somehow they would rather the Tories (or someone equally awful) win than Labour."
I personally (centre left) don't make it, nor does anyone else I know. We just wish that those further to the left than ourselves would stop giving a very good impression of preferring a tory govt. by incessantly attacking Labour/Starmer & thus risking catastrophically dividing the Labour vote when it comes to the crunch in the GE. |
You've literally done it in that response by claiming that those further to the left give a very good impression of preferring a Tory government. |  | | |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 15:49 - Mar 1 with 3453 views | NthQldITFC |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 12:26 - Mar 1 by bluelagos |
No alternatives I guess. Who would you vote for?
Lab put up a candidate they disowned for anti-semitic comments.
Greens put candidate they disowned for anti-islamic comments.
Reform put up a candidate previously dumped by Labour as he is a sex pest.
Tories party put up a tory. |
I'm not sure whether my preferential vote order would have been exactly the same as that but, yes, I can agree with you on your fourth preference! |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:03 - Mar 1 with 3425 views | Ryorry |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 15:17 - Mar 1 by Clapham_Junction |
You've literally done it in that response by claiming that those further to the left give a very good impression of preferring a Tory government. |
Nonsense. I said their constantly rubbishing & ridiculing Labour, which is divisive, gives that impression.
If you don't understand English well enough to know the difference between impression (ie appearance) & reality, that's your problem. | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:15 - Mar 1 with 3402 views | Blueschev |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:57 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
"Unfortunately this is the kind of projection that some (particularly centrist Labour voters/members) like to make about people further to the left - that somehow they would rather the Tories (or someone equally awful) win than Labour."
I personally (centre left) don't make it, nor does anyone else I know. We just wish that those further to the left than ourselves would stop giving a very good impression of preferring a tory govt. by incessantly attacking Labour/Starmer & thus risking catastrophically dividing the Labour vote when it comes to the crunch in the GE. |
I don't think it's that, nobody in their right minds would prefer a Tory government. But Labour are supposed to be our side, and it hurts more when they act more like the right than the left.
Under Lambert I was far more critical of us than other crap League One teams, because I cared far more about what we did than what others did. |  | | |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:34 - Mar 1 with 3373 views | DJR |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 14:57 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
"Unfortunately this is the kind of projection that some (particularly centrist Labour voters/members) like to make about people further to the left - that somehow they would rather the Tories (or someone equally awful) win than Labour."
I personally (centre left) don't make it, nor does anyone else I know. We just wish that those further to the left than ourselves would stop giving a very good impression of preferring a tory govt. by incessantly attacking Labour/Starmer & thus risking catastrophically dividing the Labour vote when it comes to the crunch in the GE. |
I would have thought the only people on the left who would prefer a Tory government are those who think it would lead to some sort of workers' revolution, and I can't imagine there are many of those.
Indeed, even an old leftie like Mick Lynch said this the other day.
"I support getting rid of this government and I’m a realist – the only government we’re going to get as an alternative will be led by Keir Starmer, so people have to deal with that, people have got to grow up a bit in some senses.
“That’s the government we’re going to get and we have to make the best of that opportunity.”
The other factor is that there probably aren't many people these days who would describe themselves as of the left or as a socialist (as opposed to centre or centre left). I would but that's because the political centre ground has shifted rightwards these last forty years. People like them are pretty political and many I imagine will live in cities, where voting for the Greens, say, or not voting at all are unlikely to affect a Labour or Green candidate being elected.
By contrast many people (not of the left) are not that political, and the real danger to the Labour vote it seems to me is indifference (and a low turnout) caused by a combination of the Labour lead in the polls, the two main parties being not much different on key issues, it being unclear what Labour stands for, and a feeling for many that nothing will change whichever party wins.
In any event, it does seem to be the case that people have had enough of the Tories, so it seems very difficult to imagine Labour not doing well, especially with the prospect of the Tory vote being split.
I might conclude by saying that for many, like me, our vote is irrelevant because even at a time like this they will be weighing the Tory vote. And perhaps this is another factor that leads to apathy. [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 16:37]
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:49 - Mar 1 with 3325 views | ElephantintheRoom |
As well as campaigning for a maternity hospital and an A&E he also showed a previously unknown support for Rochdale Football Club. It’s not often that seats are won by the candidate backing the local football club |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:52 - Mar 1 with 3319 views | Blueschev |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:49 - Mar 1 by ElephantintheRoom |
As well as campaigning for a maternity hospital and an A&E he also showed a previously unknown support for Rochdale Football Club. It’s not often that seats are won by the candidate backing the local football club |
Tom Hunt pretending to care about ITFC hasn't endeared him to me any further. I don't think people are that stupid. | | | |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:54 - Mar 1 with 3311 views | Ryorry |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:34 - Mar 1 by DJR |
I would have thought the only people on the left who would prefer a Tory government are those who think it would lead to some sort of workers' revolution, and I can't imagine there are many of those.
Indeed, even an old leftie like Mick Lynch said this the other day.
"I support getting rid of this government and I’m a realist – the only government we’re going to get as an alternative will be led by Keir Starmer, so people have to deal with that, people have got to grow up a bit in some senses.
“That’s the government we’re going to get and we have to make the best of that opportunity.”
The other factor is that there probably aren't many people these days who would describe themselves as of the left or as a socialist (as opposed to centre or centre left). I would but that's because the political centre ground has shifted rightwards these last forty years. People like them are pretty political and many I imagine will live in cities, where voting for the Greens, say, or not voting at all are unlikely to affect a Labour or Green candidate being elected.
By contrast many people (not of the left) are not that political, and the real danger to the Labour vote it seems to me is indifference (and a low turnout) caused by a combination of the Labour lead in the polls, the two main parties being not much different on key issues, it being unclear what Labour stands for, and a feeling for many that nothing will change whichever party wins.
In any event, it does seem to be the case that people have had enough of the Tories, so it seems very difficult to imagine Labour not doing well, especially with the prospect of the Tory vote being split.
I might conclude by saying that for many, like me, our vote is irrelevant because even at a time like this they will be weighing the Tory vote. And perhaps this is another factor that leads to apathy. [Post edited 1 Mar 2024 16:37]
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I'm with Mick Lynch!
Completely agree with all the rest, incl labels - I describe myself as a green lefty, which I think is a more contemporary reflection of many people who wish Labour would focus a LOT more on environmental issues & the enormous potential for a green economy.
Have said several times recently that complacency, apathy & ID requirements are dangerous for Labour.
I don't think your or my (in 20K tory majority seat) vote is irrelevant *at all* - the way things are going, I don't think there's such a thing as a 'safe tory seat' in the UK right now. | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 17:08 - Mar 1 with 3289 views | giant_stow |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:54 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
I'm with Mick Lynch!
Completely agree with all the rest, incl labels - I describe myself as a green lefty, which I think is a more contemporary reflection of many people who wish Labour would focus a LOT more on environmental issues & the enormous potential for a green economy.
Have said several times recently that complacency, apathy & ID requirements are dangerous for Labour.
I don't think your or my (in 20K tory majority seat) vote is irrelevant *at all* - the way things are going, I don't think there's such a thing as a 'safe tory seat' in the UK right now. |
Lynch got a bit of a monsterring for that, on twitter at least. | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 17:40 - Mar 1 with 3253 views | baxterbasics |
I notice Nick "Jews are worse than Muslims" Griffin endorsed GG too... |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 18:34 - Mar 1 with 3189 views | Dubtractor |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:52 - Mar 1 by Blueschev |
Tom Hunt pretending to care about ITFC hasn't endeared him to me any further. I don't think people are that stupid. |
I agree with your first sentence. Alas, I disagree with the second. |  |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 18:43 - Mar 1 with 3165 views | DJR |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 16:54 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
I'm with Mick Lynch!
Completely agree with all the rest, incl labels - I describe myself as a green lefty, which I think is a more contemporary reflection of many people who wish Labour would focus a LOT more on environmental issues & the enormous potential for a green economy.
Have said several times recently that complacency, apathy & ID requirements are dangerous for Labour.
I don't think your or my (in 20K tory majority seat) vote is irrelevant *at all* - the way things are going, I don't think there's such a thing as a 'safe tory seat' in the UK right now. |
Sadly, Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens are all vying for second, and the current incumbent had a majority of 28,000, so there is no obvious party to vote for to defeat the Tory. | | | |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 18:50 - Mar 1 with 3154 views | Mercian |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 12:23 - Mar 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What I mean is the specific thing he's having a go at Starmer for is odd. Starmer's not in power, he has very little say over what happens in Gaza. There are plenty of other (some might say legitimate) things to have a pop about. Banging on about how Gaza is somehow Starmer's fault just makes him look like more of an idiot than we already knew. |
George Galloway is an appaling person but please do not mistake him for and idiot, he is not. It is dangerous to write of extemists as idiots. |  | | |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 19:28 - Mar 1 with 3104 views | Ryorry |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 17:08 - Mar 1 by giant_stow |
Lynch got a bit of a monsterring for that, on twitter at least. |
Utterly stupid by those who ‘monstered’ him, who seem to prefer forever spinning ideals in ivory towers to actually gaining power and changing things, even if it’s only little by little.
“If wishes were horses, beggars would ride” | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 19:30 - Mar 1 with 3096 views | Ryorry |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 18:43 - Mar 1 by DJR |
Sadly, Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens are all vying for second, and the current incumbent had a majority of 28,000, so there is no obvious party to vote for to defeat the Tory. |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 21:03 - Mar 1 with 3041 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Well Ryorry still waiting for anyone to cheer his election, you must feel thoroughly let down. | |
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| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 21:08 - Mar 1 with 3033 views | DJR |
| Bet a few on here are loving George Galloway's return as an MP ... on 19:30 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
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Compass (of which I am a member) is very keen on this. Indeed, I remember attending an event of theirs shortly after Brexit in Sussex where Labour, Lib Dem and Green politicians were trying to promote what they call the progressive alliance in Tory areas. From recollection, Neal Lawson and Caroline Lucas were there.
The problem is that it is against Labour rules for this sort of thing to happen, although when secretary of our CLP I remember organising a council by-election where the Greens stood aside and helped deliver leaflets for the Labour candidate. We did, however, have to keep it hush-hush.
Clive Lewis is keen on this but not many other Labour MPs are, and an attempt at rule change in 2022 failed.
https://www.compassonline.org.uk/campaigns/only-stand-to-win/ | | | |
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