| De Zerbi leaving Brighton 15:36 - May 18 with 22226 views | SitfcB |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 05:48 - May 19 with 2128 views | ibbleobble |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:17 - May 18 by Vegtablue |
Highly doubtful we placed 16th for wage bill, as an aside. I know FLW and others have us 16th, but we know playing wages in 22/23 were £12.7M, courtesy of our own annual accounts. The idea we reduced the playing wage bill down to the FLW's figure of £8.3M last season is very unrealistic. I've seen other tables placing us slightly above 16th with a wage bill of around £11M, but the truth of the matter is the wage bill has only gone in one direction since Gamechanger arrived. PL promotion bonuses will likely distort the 23/24 figures, but even without them I believe we would have been competitive with the next rung down from parachute clubs.
The depth of Gamechanger's pockets are somewhat immaterial with the current financial landscape, as we're limited by FFP. Brighton's squad is inaccurately valued at £500M, while ours is valued at £50M. Even accounting for extreme innacuracies, it's undeniable that their resources far outstrip ours for now. We're both only allowed to spend our revenue + FFP allowance, so it's unlikely we'll overturn the gap in one summer.
Brighton is a safer bet for building a PL career, but it's also much less rewarding in the near term. I don't predict he'll go, but I can totally understand why he would. In the medium term, I don't believe he'll still be here (or there, at Brighton) on the day we maybe realize the dream of a new Cobbold Stand and all the extra capacity that would deliver. He'll be at an elite club by then, if all's gone to plan. |
Good response. Hard to disagree with any of that 👍🏻 |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 06:55 - May 19 with 2050 views | tractorboy1978 |
The owners and Ashton will fight tooth and nail to persuade him to stay. Genuinely a flip of a coin though for me. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 07:09 - May 19 with 2007 views | portmanking |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:56 - May 18 by Bugs |
KMc Leaving now would be Like Leonardo da Vinci half painting the Mona Lisa and not bothering to finish it. |
Unfortunately, speaking of CEO relationships, McKenna also has a strong relationship with Paul Barber at Brighton... Barber hand-picked Kieran to go and coach in Vancouver as a young pup and has stayed on Barber's radar everywhere since. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 07:36 - May 19 with 1943 views | MVBlue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 07:09 - May 19 by portmanking |
Unfortunately, speaking of CEO relationships, McKenna also has a strong relationship with Paul Barber at Brighton... Barber hand-picked Kieran to go and coach in Vancouver as a young pup and has stayed on Barber's radar everywhere since. |
So what Barber rings up Kieran and goes I gave you your first break! You owe me! Come down here we can set you up with players we're so ambitious. We know Ipswich is OK but look at our recent history (please not our past history) |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 08:06 - May 19 with 1878 views | ArnieM |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 07:36 - May 19 by MVBlue |
So what Barber rings up Kieran and goes I gave you your first break! You owe me! Come down here we can set you up with players we're so ambitious. We know Ipswich is OK but look at our recent history (please not our past history) |
The so ambitious Brighton who gave the managers job two years ago to the now departing manager, rather than go after McK, like we did ! |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 08:23 - May 19 with 1839 views | Churchman |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 22:17 - May 18 by Vegtablue |
Highly doubtful we placed 16th for wage bill, as an aside. I know FLW and others have us 16th, but we know playing wages in 22/23 were £12.7M, courtesy of our own annual accounts. The idea we reduced the playing wage bill down to the FLW's figure of £8.3M last season is very unrealistic. I've seen other tables placing us slightly above 16th with a wage bill of around £11M, but the truth of the matter is the wage bill has only gone in one direction since Gamechanger arrived. PL promotion bonuses will likely distort the 23/24 figures, but even without them I believe we would have been competitive with the next rung down from parachute clubs.
The depth of Gamechanger's pockets are somewhat immaterial with the current financial landscape, as we're limited by FFP. Brighton's squad is inaccurately valued at £500M, while ours is valued at £50M. Even accounting for extreme innacuracies, it's undeniable that their resources far outstrip ours for now. We're both only allowed to spend our revenue + FFP allowance, so it's unlikely we'll overturn the gap in one summer.
Brighton is a safer bet for building a PL career, but it's also much less rewarding in the near term. I don't predict he'll go, but I can totally understand why he would. In the medium term, I don't believe he'll still be here (or there, at Brighton) on the day we maybe realize the dream of a new Cobbold Stand and all the extra capacity that would deliver. He'll be at an elite club by then, if all's gone to plan. |
The figures vary depending on which site you look at. I suspect one or two steal information off the other and for some, lazy guesswork to get something out into the ether. There is also the effect of the January window. Do these stats take account of that? Doubtful.
What is clear is two things. Ipswich are coming in mid table for player wages whether 16th as some of these sites think or higher. The other interesting pattern is the gap between the parachute clubs and the rest. It makes the scale of our club’s achievement all the greater and in away how to structure salaries for next year all the more difficult. A nice problem.
https://www.capology.com/uk/championship/payrolls/
Back to McKenna, whether you believe Brighton to be the new Real Madrid presenting McKenna with an opportunity of a lifetime or a mid sized club doing exceptionally well, he also has a nice problem.
Does he continue in an environment where he has good working relationships, a good lifestyle and potential to grow as a manager or does he move on? Will a better opportunity present itself and is the timing for him right? He’s a thoughtful man and seems very controlled. I suspect he will know when he wants to move on and what opportunity he will take. I doubt it’ll be Brighton, lovely though that part of the world is.
Regardless, nobody has control but him. The world is his lobster, so for me there’s little point in worrying about it even if it’s fun speculating.
There is also the factor that 85% of what’s written is rubbish. Anyone who’s worked on anything where the media has interest will tell you that. Ashton is right in saying don’t believe all you read. |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 09:07 - May 19 with 1743 views | ArnieM |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 08:23 - May 19 by Churchman |
The figures vary depending on which site you look at. I suspect one or two steal information off the other and for some, lazy guesswork to get something out into the ether. There is also the effect of the January window. Do these stats take account of that? Doubtful.
What is clear is two things. Ipswich are coming in mid table for player wages whether 16th as some of these sites think or higher. The other interesting pattern is the gap between the parachute clubs and the rest. It makes the scale of our club’s achievement all the greater and in away how to structure salaries for next year all the more difficult. A nice problem.
https://www.capology.com/uk/championship/payrolls/
Back to McKenna, whether you believe Brighton to be the new Real Madrid presenting McKenna with an opportunity of a lifetime or a mid sized club doing exceptionally well, he also has a nice problem.
Does he continue in an environment where he has good working relationships, a good lifestyle and potential to grow as a manager or does he move on? Will a better opportunity present itself and is the timing for him right? He’s a thoughtful man and seems very controlled. I suspect he will know when he wants to move on and what opportunity he will take. I doubt it’ll be Brighton, lovely though that part of the world is.
Regardless, nobody has control but him. The world is his lobster, so for me there’s little point in worrying about it even if it’s fun speculating.
There is also the factor that 85% of what’s written is rubbish. Anyone who’s worked on anything where the media has interest will tell you that. Ashton is right in saying don’t believe all you read. |
Ashton said don’t believe anything you hear or read in the media, trust us, trust the process, we will tell you when something is happening.
I’m training myself now I think to do just that! | |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 09:42 - May 19 with 1656 views | NeedhamChris |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 08:06 - May 19 by ArnieM |
The so ambitious Brighton who gave the managers job two years ago to the now departing manager, rather than go after McK, like we did ! |
Deluded.
We were marooned in the middle of League One at the time - and McKenna is a better manager and candidate than he was then. | |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 10:19 - May 19 with 1581 views | Ace_High1 |
He will want to speak to them, but I think he will stay this season as none of the Top 6 will be brave enough to offer him a role just yet with no PL experience as a manager. |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 10:40 - May 19 with 1523 views | strikalite |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 10:19 - May 19 by Ace_High1 |
He will want to speak to them, but I think he will stay this season as none of the Top 6 will be brave enough to offer him a role just yet with no PL experience as a manager. |
I honestly doubt he'll even want to speak to them if his total focus right now is here and he's smart enough to know it needs to be.. |  | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 11:12 - May 19 with 1440 views | WeWereZombies |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 04:02 - May 19 by Guthrum |
Da Vinci never did entirely finish the Mona Lisa. Rather than delivering it to the subject, he kept the painting with him for the rest of his life, working on it a bit more from time to time. Which is how it ended up in France when he moved there. |
Please don't start the McKenna to PSG rumours... |  |
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| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 13:56 - May 19 with 1332 views | Vegtablue |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 08:23 - May 19 by Churchman |
The figures vary depending on which site you look at. I suspect one or two steal information off the other and for some, lazy guesswork to get something out into the ether. There is also the effect of the January window. Do these stats take account of that? Doubtful.
What is clear is two things. Ipswich are coming in mid table for player wages whether 16th as some of these sites think or higher. The other interesting pattern is the gap between the parachute clubs and the rest. It makes the scale of our club’s achievement all the greater and in away how to structure salaries for next year all the more difficult. A nice problem.
https://www.capology.com/uk/championship/payrolls/
Back to McKenna, whether you believe Brighton to be the new Real Madrid presenting McKenna with an opportunity of a lifetime or a mid sized club doing exceptionally well, he also has a nice problem.
Does he continue in an environment where he has good working relationships, a good lifestyle and potential to grow as a manager or does he move on? Will a better opportunity present itself and is the timing for him right? He’s a thoughtful man and seems very controlled. I suspect he will know when he wants to move on and what opportunity he will take. I doubt it’ll be Brighton, lovely though that part of the world is.
Regardless, nobody has control but him. The world is his lobster, so for me there’s little point in worrying about it even if it’s fun speculating.
There is also the factor that 85% of what’s written is rubbish. Anyone who’s worked on anything where the media has interest will tell you that. Ashton is right in saying don’t believe all you read. |
Well said, very much agree with your conclusion (would like to distance myself from the Madrid depiction lol, but appreciate this is just a persuasive device).
Unimportant finishing point, but I would encourage people to consider all the salary sites useless at Championship level. It's naughty they present these figures at all really. Cardiff reduced playing wages from £22M in 21/22 to £14M in 22/23. The owner continues to bring costs under control this season; there's no way they've relapsed to £20M (the same purported wage bill as Norwich, a parachute club who spent £56M on salaries in 22/23).
Sheff Weds don't make playing wages public, like most, but their overall wage bill was £5M below ours in 22/23, while Chansiri shopped in the bargain bin in 23/24. Watford were a parachute club this season, who paid £43M overall in wages in 22/23. That is £28M more than Weds spent, and yet in 23/24 we're told on playing squad Weds spent £2M more. West Brom, meanwhile, spent £11M less than Norwich in 22/23 and have since lost their parachute payments, things Capology surely didn't know and forgot.
I'll stop now as we have a day to enjoy, but suffice to say the numbers are meaningless beyond one general rule: parachute clubs may spend vast sums more than the rest. The Ipswich figure is a significant underestimation, but then most clubs are in the wrong place and some wildly so. | | | |
| De Zerbi leaving Brighton on 16:06 - May 19 with 1234 views | Vic |
They may well want him - I mean, why wouldn’t they! But wanting and getting are 2 very different th8ngs. At this moment in time it would certainly be a step up for KM, but I’m not sure the ceiling is any higher, I personally I wonder if they have the potential to develop further than they already are.
I think he’ll stay here and when he does go it will be to a team which offers a much higher ceiling than we possibly have. Spurs, Villa, Newcastle or one of the big 6.
Of course, none of us really know how far we can go do we? How far do the owners want to go - bigger stadium, investment to put us alongside Villa or Newcastle? If KM has been shown that sort of pathway then he may well want to stay here regardless of any interest. |  |
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