| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” 10:58 - May 29 with 6541 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Would VAR have ruled this out in the current day?
Would we have never gone up that day? Would we have ever gone up? Would we ever make Europe? Would we go into administration? Would the banter era ever happen? ITFC butterfly effect.
This image has it frozen at 6 seconds, as the ball leaves Naylors foot. Put it this way…. I’m glad there was no VAR!!
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:03 - May 29 with 4400 views | Reus30 |
24 years, where does the time go! What a man, what a game. |  | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:05 - May 29 with 4359 views | muccletonjoe |
Can't be offside in your own half |  | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:06 - May 29 with 4349 views | Earls_Jeans |
Also can we just enjoy the sprawling position that Bam Bam is in when he plays the ball through. If ever a freeze frame epitomised a player's style it is that one! |  | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:07 - May 29 with 4340 views | WalkyWonderland |
Goal should be given by VAR if it's used properly. Similar to the Coventry one v Man U. 1) It's not a clear and obvious error by the officials as it if is 'technically' offside, it's impossible to tell in real time and the lino can't see through Reuser to get the exact position of the defender and it's highly marginal at best. 2) There's no advantage gained by Reuser being where he is or an inch further back.
However, with VAR overused as it is, it would probably be chalked off. |  | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:08 - May 29 with 4315 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:05 - May 29 by muccletonjoe |
Can't be offside in your own half |
More than half of his body is over the halfway line though… | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:10 - May 29 with 4276 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:07 - May 29 by WalkyWonderland |
Goal should be given by VAR if it's used properly. Similar to the Coventry one v Man U. 1) It's not a clear and obvious error by the officials as it if is 'technically' offside, it's impossible to tell in real time and the lino can't see through Reuser to get the exact position of the defender and it's highly marginal at best. 2) There's no advantage gained by Reuser being where he is or an inch further back.
However, with VAR overused as it is, it would probably be chalked off. |
“IF” used properly is a massive massive if.
I’m still a little surprised that with the Lino being that side, the proximity effect didn’t make him stick his flag up. | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:11 - May 29 with 4254 views | Ryorry |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:08 - May 29 by Matt_Netherlands |
More than half of his body is over the halfway line though… |
So is the Barnsley player's though.
Edit: and looking at the still more closely, Reuser's left foot & leg are off the ground, his right leg is still in the Ipswich half, so he's onside & VAR would have ruled the goal should stand. [Post edited 29 May 2024 11:15]
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:15 - May 29 with 4196 views | WalkyWonderland |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:10 - May 29 by Matt_Netherlands |
“IF” used properly is a massive massive if.
I’m still a little surprised that with the Lino being that side, the proximity effect didn’t make him stick his flag up. |
The 'clear and obvious error' part seems to have been forgotten with VAR. I've never heard then or now any Barnsley fans complaining that goal was offside. Similarly, I can't imagine there would have been a huge uproar from Man U if the Cov one was given,
Where on field officials really should have seen something then fine. Otherwise, let the games flow. | | | |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:16 - May 29 with 4169 views | iamipswich |
I think if we're honest with ourselves, it clearly would and should be chalked off. He's definitely beyond the Barsnley defender and the lines wouldn't take too long to re-affirm this. |  |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:19 - May 29 with 4099 views | Ryorry |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:16 - May 29 by iamipswich |
I think if we're honest with ourselves, it clearly would and should be chalked off. He's definitely beyond the Barsnley defender and the lines wouldn't take too long to re-affirm this. |
As I said above, his right foot/leg is grounded in the Ipswich half & his left foot/leg are in the air not even touching the Barnsley half (I think that's what the lino is looking at so intently), so clearly onside. | |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:20 - May 29 with 4090 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:11 - May 29 by Ryorry |
So is the Barnsley player's though.
Edit: and looking at the still more closely, Reuser's left foot & leg are off the ground, his right leg is still in the Ipswich half, so he's onside & VAR would have ruled the goal should stand. [Post edited 29 May 2024 11:15]
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Hmm I’m not sure having any part of his body in his own half makes him onside though? Logically that would make sense (eg logically it should be that you can’t be be offside if any of your body is behind the line) but I’m pretty sure that’s not the rule. I might be wrong though! | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:23 - May 29 with 4052 views | yorkshire |
Even if it was disallowed, we were still 3-2 up and it was the 90th min so very good chance we still won the game and went up | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:24 - May 29 with 4030 views | cressi |
Who cares goallllll | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:28 - May 29 with 3998 views | wkj |
I was sat almost level with this angle and the lino was also perfectly in line with this - I doubt VAR would ever come in to play here. Also, the angle in the snapshot can be deceptive. Is it offside? Not for me. Close, but not offside. Besides, I think the Barnsley player got a slight touch on the ball as it is being released. [Post edited 29 May 2024 11:29]
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:29 - May 29 with 3982 views | Europablue |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:16 - May 29 by iamipswich |
I think if we're honest with ourselves, it clearly would and should be chalked off. He's definitely beyond the Barsnley defender and the lines wouldn't take too long to re-affirm this. |
How exactly is it clear? You'd have to use a ruled line to see how many pixels touch the line.
As for should. The whole point of the offside rule is to stop a potential unfair advantage. If you can't see an offside in real time with the naked eye, then there is no advantage. VAR should only come into the equation for an obvious error. | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:31 - May 29 with 3943 views | WD19 |
I have watched it 15 times just now and can confirm I don’t care. |  | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:32 - May 29 with 3937 views | Trequartista |
that's one of the ridiculous situations where var would call offside when the striker is level. we were already 3-2 up so evidence to suggest we wouldn't have won. |  |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:32 - May 29 with 3929 views | Ryorry |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:28 - May 29 by wkj |
I was sat almost level with this angle and the lino was also perfectly in line with this - I doubt VAR would ever come in to play here. Also, the angle in the snapshot can be deceptive. Is it offside? Not for me. Close, but not offside. Besides, I think the Barnsley player got a slight touch on the ball as it is being released. [Post edited 29 May 2024 11:29]
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Looked to me from the still like Reuser & the Barnsley player's bodies were virtually matching each other, could you see? | |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:48 - May 29 with 3839 views | wkj |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:32 - May 29 by Ryorry |
Looked to me from the still like Reuser & the Barnsley player's bodies were virtually matching each other, could you see? |
It was all moving so fast, but not even a hint of a thought that Rolls-Reuser was offside for this. Sometimes when you're there you just know instinctively to look at the lino for a second - but not at that moment. I think it was close to offside, but perfectly legal. | |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:58 - May 29 with 3742 views | BlueStreak |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:32 - May 29 by Ryorry |
Looked to me from the still like Reuser & the Barnsley player's bodies were virtually matching each other, could you see? |
It is offside. Who cares now but would be disallowed in todays game. |  | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:59 - May 29 with 3736 views | IpswichRising |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:15 - May 29 by WalkyWonderland |
The 'clear and obvious error' part seems to have been forgotten with VAR. I've never heard then or now any Barnsley fans complaining that goal was offside. Similarly, I can't imagine there would have been a huge uproar from Man U if the Cov one was given,
Where on field officials really should have seen something then fine. Otherwise, let the games flow. |
If VAR has to look at something 20 times from numerous different angles then it is not clear and obvious | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 12:10 - May 29 with 3664 views | Ryorry |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:20 - May 29 by Matt_Netherlands |
Hmm I’m not sure having any part of his body in his own half makes him onside though? Logically that would make sense (eg logically it should be that you can’t be be offside if any of your body is behind the line) but I’m pretty sure that’s not the rule. I might be wrong though! |
If no part of a player's body is touching the ground in the opposition half, then surely he's still in his own half, which means he can't be ruled offside?
Don't have time to look up the rules, but there's often a couple of accredited refs online here who might give their views if they see this. [Post edited 29 May 2024 12:13]
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 12:24 - May 29 with 3581 views | Bent_double |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:20 - May 29 by Matt_Netherlands |
Hmm I’m not sure having any part of his body in his own half makes him onside though? Logically that would make sense (eg logically it should be that you can’t be be offside if any of your body is behind the line) but I’m pretty sure that’s not the rule. I might be wrong though! |
Yes, his legs - and feet,the things that propel him towards the goal - were in our own half, so onside.
This is what really bugs me about offsides and VAR, I mean unless a player is lying on the ground with only their feet onside when a ball comes into the area and hits them on the head, scoring a goal, why should it be deemed an advantage and disallowed? |  |
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| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 12:32 - May 29 with 3531 views | ronnyd |
That was in the days before football went stupid. | | | |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 12:38 - May 29 with 3502 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Wembley 2000: “Reuser….. offside!” on 11:15 - May 29 by WalkyWonderland |
The 'clear and obvious error' part seems to have been forgotten with VAR. I've never heard then or now any Barnsley fans complaining that goal was offside. Similarly, I can't imagine there would have been a huge uproar from Man U if the Cov one was given,
Where on field officials really should have seen something then fine. Otherwise, let the games flow. |
Clear and obvious error has never ever applied to offside decisions so it wasn't there in the first place to forget!
The 'clear and obvious' bit is and only ever has been for judgement calls e.g. a clear foul/dive.
Offsides are either on or off factual decision in terms of VAR use. So if the lines show off that's it, it's off.
I'm not saying the system works well btw. Just clearing up the myth about 'clear and obvious'. | |
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