| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:49 - Jun 12 with 1598 views | leitrimblue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:07 - Jun 12 by BlueBadger |
Imagine thinking that the 1% shafting everyone for the benefit of themselves exclusively is not only a good thing but something to actively defend.
I don't know how to break it to you, but they hate you, too. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:18]
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:53 - Jun 12 with 1586 views | Zapers |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:37 - Jun 12 by giant_stow |
You've just listed a load of tax havens there though, so of course they wouldn;t like it! |
Exactly! So how are you going to legislate what you are suggesting.
Monaco has just reclaimed land from the sea. they have built super expensive luxury apartments and villas on the Island. Prey, who are going to buy/rent these properties.
I promise you they will not stay empty for long.
These tax free havens as you call them rely on VAT. Stop taxing people and they buy yachts, private planes, fleets of cars, expensive apartments etc. I can assure you the Monaco government are awash with money.
Who's the progressive government in this instance. |  | | |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:55 - Jun 12 with 1578 views | Zapers |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:49 - Jun 12 by leitrimblue |
How is this post in anyway abusive? |
So you admit yours was?
No need, I don't make the rules. | | | |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:00 - Jun 12 with 1555 views | leitrimblue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 15:17 - Jun 12 by NthQldITFC |
That's the thing that always gets me - a thing that really stinks the human race out - that tax would be utterly meaningless to those 1% except in just one way* and they could have the joy of knowing that had funded something totally wonderful.
Can you imagine the pride of knowing you had helped so many people, or prevented so much CO₂ entering the upper atmosphere and harming themselves and their children and their children's children as well as everybody else?
* That one way is purely an ego hit - "I'm not giving them my 'hard-earned' money" - despite the fact that to them it would probably be small change sitting in a forgotten account somewhere. But it's: "They're not having it, I 'competed' for it!" It's totally irrational. |
I think in reality a surprisingly high number of the 1% may have very little issue in paying the increased tax.
Not everyone is as shortsighted and tight as is being suggested by some.
I think like you say many will have pride in knowing they have benefitted society, improved the life of thousands of fellow citizens and helped towards the planets long term future.
If not they will still have many millions left in the bank to console themselves with | | | |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:02 - Jun 12 with 1547 views | leitrimblue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:55 - Jun 12 by Zapers |
So you admit yours was?
No need, I don't make the rules. |
Mine was feckin hilarious. Bit unfortunate you don't have a sense of humour  | | | |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:04 - Jun 12 with 1534 views | Zapers |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:02 - Jun 12 by leitrimblue |
Mine was feckin hilarious. Bit unfortunate you don't have a sense of humour |
Obviously neither do admin. | | | |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:05 - Jun 12 with 1533 views | NthQldITFC |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:39 - Jun 12 by Zapers |
It's not difficult is it, Don't overburden wealthy people by taxing them out of the country.
I cannot understand why you find it so difficult to comprehend. It's hardly rocket science. |
'Overburden'!  |  |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:16 - Jun 12 with 1504 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 16:39 - Jun 12 by Zapers |
It's not difficult is it, Don't overburden wealthy people by taxing them out of the country.
I cannot understand why you find it so difficult to comprehend. It's hardly rocket science. |
“Overburden”? Seriously?
Sunak’s personal tax rate for the last declared year was 23% on £2.2m income. Yet employees have to pay 40% on anything over £40k and 45% on anything over £125k. There are all sorts of loopholes to lower the tax burden on the super-rich (and just moderately rich).
I can only assume you’re one of the super rich (which is fine and then your stance would be understandable). Otherwise you’ve been suckered into defending inequality.
You are right about the global competitiveness though. Tax too high relatively compared to other nations and they will just feck off to one of their many other houses in another country. I’m not sure that’s such a bad thing though. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 17:17]
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:22 - Jun 12 with 1496 views | BlueBadger |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 15:23 - Jun 12 by Zapers |
It’s got nothing to do with defending anyone, it’s just what happens when you try and increase taxes on the so called 1%
If you can’t deal with reality, that’s your problem |
I'm not sure that 'we should do nothing about exploitative capitalist practices that are causing genuine harms on a personal, national and global level in any way shape or form' is quite the stirring defence you think it is.
Plus, imagine being a member of the TWTD anti-bullying league and being opposed to pushing back against bullying uber capitalists. |  |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:37 - Jun 12 with 1465 views | Nutkins_Return |
The greens announcing taxing the rich and then the detail being they consider £50k a year then rich means hey have completely ruined themselves I imagine. If you earn £55k you will be £280 a month worse off and so on. Single parents on that will really struggle to be perfectly honest. People have mortgages that have already gone right up and mortgages are relative to what you earn. Plenty of couple on £50k each have struggled with that. It's really silly to be honest. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 7:30]
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:44 - Jun 12 with 1454 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:37 - Jun 12 by Nutkins_Return |
The greens announcing taxing the rich and then the detail being they consider £50k a year then rich means hey have completely ruined themselves I imagine. If you earn £55k you will be £280 a month worse off and so on. Single parents on that will really struggle to be perfectly honest. People have mortgages that have already gone right up and mortgages are relative to what you earn. Plenty of couple on £50k each have struggled with that. It's really silly to be honest. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 7:30]
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Yeah, potentially they’ve got that threshold wrong. But on the flip side, if there were competent economically and didn’t’do a Kwarteng’ that would still have saved mortgage holders an absolute fortune in comparison (estimates put the extra mortgage costs at anywhere between £3,000-£7,000 per year per property). And then throw in the x% hit to the economy from ‘doing a Cameron/May/Johnson’ on Brexit and that would have filled a tax hole of tens of £BILLIONS per year.
So yeah, a potential cost, but not a patch on what Tory mis-governance has led to. The trouble is that whatever comes next is on top of the Tory feck up. Someone’s got a massive job to get things moving again, which is why I’m not fussed about borrowing to get things moving. We’re almost on a war footing of our own making. The money has to be spent. | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:07 - Jun 12 with 1404 views | GlasgowBlue |
Well colour me surprised |  |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:12 - Jun 12 with 1394 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 14:46 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I thought anarchists didn't participate in the electoral process? |
I'm not, Lowhouse talked me out of it. |  |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:12 - Jun 12 with 1394 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:07 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Well colour me surprised |
It’s only not a surprise because it’s in every party. As I mentioned above, what’s more important imo is what’s done about it. Rather than turning it into a political football. | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:15 - Jun 12 with 1378 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 15:23 - Jun 12 by Zapers |
It’s got nothing to do with defending anyone, it’s just what happens when you try and increase taxes on the so called 1%
If you can’t deal with reality, that’s your problem |
So you're saying we should string'em up? | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:16 - Jun 12 with 1377 views | Leaky |
We only hate green & yellow.. not getting vote |  | | |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:19 - Jun 12 with 1365 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:12 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s only not a surprise because it’s in every party. As I mentioned above, what’s more important imo is what’s done about it. Rather than turning it into a political football. |
I think you’ll find that a lot of those Corbynites suspended by Labour in the wake of the EHRC report migrated to the Greens. People really need to stop giving these racists the benefit of the doubt. | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:19 - Jun 12 with 1364 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Which is why you need @narcho syndicalist people's assemblies throughout the World rather than consenting through your vote to being led by fools in hoc to elites.
You're getting there but by bit!! | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:21 - Jun 12 with 1357 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 15:01 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
they've been drip feeding it for about a week. this is the latest heavy handed hint.
https://order-order.com/2024/06/12/starmer-and-the-cut-out-woman/
it started with a quote from the michael ashcroft biography of rayner which alleged that a senior labour figure was involved in a long term affair (not with rayner). guido keeps hinting. |
It’s only tittle tattle as I can tell. If true it didn’t hurt Boris at the polls but I hope the Tories don’t go down this route. | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:21 - Jun 12 with 1351 views | BlueBadger |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:21 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s only tittle tattle as I can tell. If true it didn’t hurt Boris at the polls but I hope the Tories don’t go down this route. |
Don't worry, they will. | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:24 - Jun 12 with 1345 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 17:37 - Jun 12 by Nutkins_Return |
The greens announcing taxing the rich and then the detail being they consider £50k a year then rich means hey have completely ruined themselves I imagine. If you earn £55k you will be £280 a month worse off and so on. Single parents on that will really struggle to be perfectly honest. People have mortgages that have already gone right up and mortgages are relative to what you earn. Plenty of couple on £50k each have struggled with that. It's really silly to be honest. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 7:30]
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Oh no surely not a whole £5/week!! | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:26 - Jun 12 with 1332 views | J2BLUE |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:12 - Jun 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I'm not, Lowhouse talked me out of it. |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:28 - Jun 12 with 1318 views | giant_stow |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:19 - Jun 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Which is why you need @narcho syndicalist people's assemblies throughout the World rather than consenting through your vote to being led by fools in hoc to elites.
You're getting there but by bit!! |
I agree with you and others on lots of this sort of thing in theory - its the practice that puts me on the other side of some of these debates!
Edit : to argue against myself, in practice, I'm not sure there's much scope to tax income more, so perhaps it'll have to be wealth regardless of the flight fear. In a funny way, the super rich benefit rhe most from a peaceful settled society, so they really ought to be willing to cough up. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 18:31]
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:33 - Jun 12 with 1281 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:19 - Jun 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I think you’ll find that a lot of those Corbynites suspended by Labour in the wake of the EHRC report migrated to the Greens. People really need to stop giving these racists the benefit of the doubt. |
Well let’s wait and see whether any charges are brought and what the action is. If proven then hopefully they’ll be dealt with firmly. I’ve no idea if any are ex-Labour and don’t really care. If they’ve broken rules or laws it doesn’t really matter to me what side they’re batting for. There shouldn’t be any room for racism in any party. | |
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| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:43 - Jun 12 with 1256 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was thinking about voting Green but.... on 18:33 - Jun 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Well let’s wait and see whether any charges are brought and what the action is. If proven then hopefully they’ll be dealt with firmly. I’ve no idea if any are ex-Labour and don’t really care. If they’ve broken rules or laws it doesn’t really matter to me what side they’re batting for. There shouldn’t be any room for racism in any party. |
I agree. But that’s not the response when it’s a Tory. It’s quite rightly condemned without “good people on both sides” excuses | |
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