| This Election ..... 09:56 - Jun 13 with 5670 views | Pencilpete |
I've touched on this on previous posts but i just can't seem to get onboard with anyone.
Sunak is a muppet who literally seems to put his foot in it even more every time he opens his gob, Starmer just doesn't inspire confidence he doesn't seem to have an ideas or policies where you go "Bl00dy hell thats good" and on big things he hasn't really said what his ideas even are .... i get the impression he thinks if he doesn't say anything he'll win cos the Tories are so bad ??
The Liberals and the Greens .... some of their ideas are good but others are awful and i couldn't support them in a million years.
That leaves Nigel Farage who has one good idea but little or no substance on anything else at all ........
I always say to people if you don't vote then don't moan .... but i'm really struggling here
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| This Election ..... on 10:02 - Jun 13 with 3282 views | Keno |
"Starmer just doesn't inspire confidence he doesn't seem to have an ideas or policies where you go "Bl00dy hell thats good" and on big things he hasn't really said what his ideas even are .... i get the impression he thinks if he doesn't say anything he'll win cos the Tories are so bad ??"
I think Starmer is trying very hard not to lose this, like Kinnock did once.
I also think that, after the last 14 years, there is a lot to be for a 'safe pair of very un-exciting hands' |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:02 - Jun 13 with 3281 views | itfcjoe |
It's basically a case of voting against something, because Labour's policy of not really announcing anything is clearly working so they'll keep the strategy.
The Tories deserve the biggest kicking going, so most will vote to ensure that and we have to hope that Labour with a big majority turn the country round and I'll be voting for them |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:03 - Jun 13 with 3274 views | vilanovablue |
Anyone but the Tories? |  | | |
| PHIL / GAV - Please put this on the general thread. on 10:04 - Jun 13 with 3266 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Apologies for being pedantic, but I use the football tab to avoid politics in particular. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:04 - Jun 13 with 3265 views | J2BLUE |
What's Farage's good idea? |  |
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| PHIL / GAV - Please put this on the general thread. on 10:05 - Jun 13 with 3254 views | Vic |
| PHIL / GAV - Please put this on the general thread. on 10:04 - Jun 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Apologies for being pedantic, but I use the football tab to avoid politics in particular. |
Same here! |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:06 - Jun 13 with 3256 views | Pencilpete |
| This Election ..... on 10:02 - Jun 13 by itfcjoe |
It's basically a case of voting against something, because Labour's policy of not really announcing anything is clearly working so they'll keep the strategy.
The Tories deserve the biggest kicking going, so most will vote to ensure that and we have to hope that Labour with a big majority turn the country round and I'll be voting for them |
I do get that mindset but i wanted to vote for Starmer because i wanted him, not because i didn't want Sunak .....
It's the footballing equivalent of wanting Big Mick cos Paul Lambert was so bad !!!!
And yes i get Starmer could be a McKenna but he could also be a Paul Hurst ...... | | | |
| This Election ..... on 10:08 - Jun 13 with 3248 views | lowhouseblue |
essentially labour's strategy is to put forward someone you can trust. at some (probably quite soon) the current economic straight jacket is going to relax and there will be real choices - and you know with starmer that public services, greening the economy and growth will be the priorities. it's not going to be a spending splurge like blair's second term, but all of starmer's instincts are progressive. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 10:09]
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| This Election ..... on 10:08 - Jun 13 with 3237 views | WeWereZombies |
| This Election ..... on 10:04 - Jun 13 by J2BLUE |
What's Farage's good idea? |
How to get some free milkshake... |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:08 - Jun 13 with 3244 views | iamipswich |
Think you're spot on. The strategy of silence will work a treat as the Tories are remarkably good at shooting themselves in the foot even when it seems harder to cock it up than not.
I actually don't think Sunak is a bad guy but he's a PR disaster and the inability to avoid controversy (some his fault some those around him) does not instil the confidence needed to be PM.
As someone who lives just outside Saxmundham, can say that Dr Coffey is as deluded in person as she comes across in the media (although I do think she has genuine passion for the area). |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:13 - Jun 13 with 3156 views | giant_stow |
| This Election ..... on 10:04 - Jun 13 by J2BLUE |
What's Farage's good idea? |
Something to do with not paying Banks interest on loans to the BofE, but I don't understand it fully - just half read it. (I'm assuming its this, in any case) Easily lifted if it really is a good one - could supposedly save £20B
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"It claims £30bn to £40bn of this total would come from putting a halt to the Bank of England paying out interest to commercial banks on its quantitative easing reserves. Party Chairman Richard Tice described the status quo as "gross negligence" and said it meant voters' cash was being used to "enrich the City of London". Governor Andrew Bailey has previously said scrapping the measure would limit the central bank's ability to change the economy through interest rates."
https://moneyweek.com/economy/uk-economy/reform-uk-policies-nigel-farage-manifes [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 10:16]
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| PHIL / GAV - Please put this on the general thread. on 10:13 - Jun 13 with 3140 views | PhilTWTD |
| PHIL / GAV - Please put this on the general thread. on 10:04 - Jun 13 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Apologies for being pedantic, but I use the football tab to avoid politics in particular. |
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| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 with 3099 views | Pencilpete |
| This Election ..... on 10:04 - Jun 13 by J2BLUE |
What's Farage's good idea? |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! | | | |
| This Election ..... on 10:17 - Jun 13 with 3069 views | giant_stow |
| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! |
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| This Election ..... on 10:23 - Jun 13 with 2996 views | lowhouseblue |
| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! |
turning the boats around is not a realistic policy - once people are in the channel the risks involved are too great and traffickers would put people into the water rather than comply with an instruction from the navy. and the navy's priority in those situations has to be to protect lives. labour's policy is to work with the french, effectively target the gangs, break up the evil trafficking trade and prevent boats from getting on the water. once on the water it's too late. there is also a real possibility of europe wide agreements to stop and process illegal migrants before they travel across the continent. labour will have much more chance of influencing those agreements than the tories who have burnt their bridges as far as europe goes. | |
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| This Election ..... on 10:23 - Jun 13 with 2979 views | itfcjoe |
| This Election ..... on 10:06 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
I do get that mindset but i wanted to vote for Starmer because i wanted him, not because i didn't want Sunak .....
It's the footballing equivalent of wanting Big Mick cos Paul Lambert was so bad !!!!
And yes i get Starmer could be a McKenna but he could also be a Paul Hurst ...... |
I don't think it is that equivalent, because at no point are there two options in football like that. | |
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| This Election ..... on 10:24 - Jun 13 with 2961 views | itfcjoe |
| This Election ..... on 10:08 - Jun 13 by iamipswich |
Think you're spot on. The strategy of silence will work a treat as the Tories are remarkably good at shooting themselves in the foot even when it seems harder to cock it up than not.
I actually don't think Sunak is a bad guy but he's a PR disaster and the inability to avoid controversy (some his fault some those around him) does not instil the confidence needed to be PM.
As someone who lives just outside Saxmundham, can say that Dr Coffey is as deluded in person as she comes across in the media (although I do think she has genuine passion for the area). |
For whatever people think about Rishi Sunak, there's nothing he can do here - the dye is cast and the Tories are done.
He's going to oversee a monster defeat, but he's not really the one to blame for it | |
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| This Election ..... on 10:27 - Jun 13 with 2933 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| This Election ..... on 10:08 - Jun 13 by lowhouseblue |
essentially labour's strategy is to put forward someone you can trust. at some (probably quite soon) the current economic straight jacket is going to relax and there will be real choices - and you know with starmer that public services, greening the economy and growth will be the priorities. it's not going to be a spending splurge like blair's second term, but all of starmer's instincts are progressive. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 10:09]
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I don't trust Starmer at all. He promised the world to win the labour leadership (i voted for him) and is now pretending that he didn't say any of it and is offering more of the same. He is completely hollow.
In fact if a Tory politician had conducted themselves the way Starmer has in terms of broken promises and flip flopping, they would be rightly dragged and mocked. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 10:29]
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| This Election ..... on 10:30 - Jun 13 with 2890 views | Pencilpete |
| This Election ..... on 10:23 - Jun 13 by lowhouseblue |
turning the boats around is not a realistic policy - once people are in the channel the risks involved are too great and traffickers would put people into the water rather than comply with an instruction from the navy. and the navy's priority in those situations has to be to protect lives. labour's policy is to work with the french, effectively target the gangs, break up the evil trafficking trade and prevent boats from getting on the water. once on the water it's too late. there is also a real possibility of europe wide agreements to stop and process illegal migrants before they travel across the continent. labour will have much more chance of influencing those agreements than the tories who have burnt their bridges as far as europe goes. |
The French should be made to take them back - it's as simple as that. It's where they've come from so its where they should be returned to, i don't see why this isn't a thing and why the French have any right to refuse to.
and that's why working with the French isn't a very good policy either because they have no real interest in stopping them, if they get 20 yards out to sea suddenly it's our problem (no idea how that works) but either way the navy should round them up and take them back to France ... how this isn't a thing is beyond me.
if Starmer turned to France and said we will work with you to stop them but we ARE returning them to you, then it would give the French an incentive to do something about it too | | | |
| This Election ..... on 10:31 - Jun 13 with 2889 views | itfcjoe |
| This Election ..... on 10:15 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The one good idea Farage had was get the navy to patrol the channel and turn the boats around ...... and just to be clear I think Immigration is 90% a good thing and we have alot of people who come over here and do good jobs and contribute in a positive way, then we have thousands who jump on what look like lilos and come over .... they shouldn't be here, they're coming from France which last time i checked wasn't somewhere you needed to seek asylum from and when they get here they get housed, money and walk the streets and we don't know anything about them. it needs to stop - we are an island there isn't unlimited room and Farage is right that the issues with housing, NHS ... is due to the massively inflated population and it's unsustainable.
what everyone needs to do is stop asking about migration as a whole and ask what we are doing about ILLEGAL migration - Starmer has been asked hundreds of times about what he will do with the thousands that are already here and he either can't or won't give an answer. and i'd like to ask it without being called a racist or a bigot or something similar !!!! |
In the last 2 years we have had 1.5 million immigrants come to the country, about 80k are from small boats so approx 5%
We've currently got a Rwanda policy that we've spent £300m on which at best will send 300 people a year to there - 0.4% of people arriving on boats.
When there is talk of not being able to get Dr's appointments, public services creaking etc it really isn't down to those arriving on small boats who are just locked up in hotels.
The only actual deterrent to stopping people coming like that is knowing that they will be quickly and effectively processed and either sent back if they fail their claim or having their claim approved and being able to start working and paying taxes
We will have to work with the EU and the French, and the Tories have proven themselves incapable of doing so, and if you think Farage would help a jot with this then you are in cloud cuckoo land. What is the cost to patrol the seas 24/7/365? | |
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| This Election ..... on 10:34 - Jun 13 with 2828 views | itfcjoe |
| This Election ..... on 10:30 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The French should be made to take them back - it's as simple as that. It's where they've come from so its where they should be returned to, i don't see why this isn't a thing and why the French have any right to refuse to.
and that's why working with the French isn't a very good policy either because they have no real interest in stopping them, if they get 20 yards out to sea suddenly it's our problem (no idea how that works) but either way the navy should round them up and take them back to France ... how this isn't a thing is beyond me.
if Starmer turned to France and said we will work with you to stop them but we ARE returning them to you, then it would give the French an incentive to do something about it too |
Do you think the navy can safely round people up out in the ocean to return them? People who don't want to be rescued etc? They'd end up killing people | |
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| This Election ..... on 10:36 - Jun 13 with 2818 views | lowhouseblue |
| This Election ..... on 10:30 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
The French should be made to take them back - it's as simple as that. It's where they've come from so its where they should be returned to, i don't see why this isn't a thing and why the French have any right to refuse to.
and that's why working with the French isn't a very good policy either because they have no real interest in stopping them, if they get 20 yards out to sea suddenly it's our problem (no idea how that works) but either way the navy should round them up and take them back to France ... how this isn't a thing is beyond me.
if Starmer turned to France and said we will work with you to stop them but we ARE returning them to you, then it would give the French an incentive to do something about it too |
the only safe thing to do once boats are on the water is escort them to port. creating a confrontation with france where we invade their territorial waters or where our boat sits off calais trying to offload migrants with france refusing to accept them is only going to make things much much worse. farage knows this but is offering unworkable solutions to get attention. | |
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| This Election ..... on 10:42 - Jun 13 with 2768 views | Pinewoodblue |
| This Election ..... on 10:24 - Jun 13 by itfcjoe |
For whatever people think about Rishi Sunak, there's nothing he can do here - the dye is cast and the Tories are done.
He's going to oversee a monster defeat, but he's not really the one to blame for it |
Paying for the sins of those who preceded him.
Sunak isn’t finding it easy to fight a lost cause, which shows a degree of decency.
Unlike……..Starmer’s unwavering support for Corbyn.
Looking forward to seeing/ hearing what will done differently to grow the economy. Not necessary to win, but really want to have an idea what I am voting for, rather than having to vote agsinst something. |  |
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| This Election ..... on 10:46 - Jun 13 with 2740 views | Pencilpete |
| This Election ..... on 10:34 - Jun 13 by itfcjoe |
Do you think the navy can safely round people up out in the ocean to return them? People who don't want to be rescued etc? They'd end up killing people |
Honestly, all you have to do is announce with France (who are supposed to be helping us and have taken a lot of money off us to prevent them) ... that anyone who arrives on a small boat will be immediately put back on another boat and taken straight back to France ... you'd only have to do it for a month and they'd stop bothering. | | | |
| This Election ..... on 10:52 - Jun 13 with 2660 views | itfcjoe |
| This Election ..... on 10:46 - Jun 13 by Pencilpete |
Honestly, all you have to do is announce with France (who are supposed to be helping us and have taken a lot of money off us to prevent them) ... that anyone who arrives on a small boat will be immediately put back on another boat and taken straight back to France ... you'd only have to do it for a month and they'd stop bothering. |
It really isn't that simple | |
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